A Closer Look at Phase 3 in Light of Civil War

A Closer Look at Phase 3 in Light of Civil War

After what has come to light recently about the probable direction of the MCU, I take a look back at that leaked Phase 3 image that seemed fake months ago and reevaluate the possibility of the remaining options.

Editorial Opinion
By JacuzziJoe - Oct 17, 2014 08:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Comics

Good morning guys! I want to preface this editorial by saying that this is the first article I've written for this site, editorial or not, so please bear with me. I am no stranger to the site, and I've seen my share of novice editorials, so I know what it's like. I will do my best here, so please go easy on me! For years I've watched from the shadows as the usual players give their two cents on this site, but I decided I would finally chime in. I wrote this all out last night and my computer erased it so now I'm trying to redo it at work, hopefully I don't forget anything as I go. 


So as you can tell by the headline and teaser, I will be re-evaluating the foillowing image.

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Now I'm sure most of you have seen this image. Let's be honest, if you found yourself in the editorial section of CBM, then you're no stranger to these things, and this image sort of blew up when it came out, although it was almost immediately shot down by most people, including me. At the time it seemed like someone just threw in a couple sure things for good measure, and then tossed in a lot of speculation. Civil War? World War Hulk? We all took it with a grain of salt. Now I'm going to break down this list movie by movie and how as things have come to light, it seems less and less ridiculous and what that could mean for the other movies on the list.


May 1st, 2015: Avengers 2 - Age of Ultron

This one is a given. We've known for years that this was happening and the date was also a given. The title itself was unveiled at SDCC 2013 so it was no surprise to see this spearheading the list.

Ruling: Confirmed



July 17th, 2015: Ant Man

When this list was first released, I don't remember if Ant Man had already settled into this date or not, regardless, this was another film that we already had very much information on so it was no surprise to see it on the list as well. Nothing big here. 

Ruling: Confirmed



May 6th, 2016: Captain America 3 - The Fallen Son

This one is a little trickier. We all knew after the massive success the Russo Brothers had with the Winter Soldier in terms of both box office and critical reception that we would be seeing our fearless leader again sooner or later. It had been confirmed that the dynamic duo would return to helm and no one really seemed to have a problem with that. When this list was revealed, though, while it may have been speculated that this release date would belong to Cap, it wasn't confirmed, and we definitely didn't have a title. 

When the Civil was info came out this week, it was revealed (though not confirmed) that the title of Captain America 3 would indeed be Fallen Son, and this caused me to go back and take another look at this image. Because when it was released, some people wished and hoped to see Civil War, but I don't think ANYONE could have predicted we would see RDJ in Captain America 3. I mean, talk about left field. So with that date AND title coming to light, it would seem that this list deserved a little more credit than it had yet received. 

Ruling: Confirmed, kinda.



July 8th, 2016: Doctor Strange

This is another sort of complicated one. Anyone who read nearly any interview with Kevin Feige in the past year or so knows how adamant the man is to bring the Sorceror Supreme to life. It was even rumored at one point that Doctor Strange would be leading the Avengers in Iron Man's place going forwards. Possibly with Defenders or New Avengers in Phase 4? We will see. Also, is it possible that we could see the good doctor in Captain America 3? It would set him up nicely for his own movie considering we know his won't be an origin story, and he was conveniently name dropped in Cap 2. If Cap is searching for other heroes in The Fallen Son in the aftermath of Age of Ultron, could we see him visit Stephen Strange? We shall see. 

Speculation aside, it wasn't hard to guess that Strange would win this release date. By the time this list was released, directors were already being circled and actors had already met with the studio, that is if Derrickson hadn't already been picked for the job. With that much already invested, and knowing what Feige said about existing franchises releasing in the beginning of the year, with new franchises launching after, it wasn't hard to accept this as the probable date of Doctor Strange. It has since been confirmed to be the case.

Ruling: Confirmed.



May 5th, 2017: Thor 3 - Ragnarok

The God of Thunder has has mixed reviews critically, but has been successful at the box of during both of his solo outings, which means we can expect to see him again in Phase 3. Some people wondered if they might put Thor 3 off until the next Phase so as to not run down their roster so quickly, but it is highly believed that we will be seeing him again soon. The title of Ragnarok has not been confirmed, but in Thor 2 we saw a glimpse of foreshadowing that led us to believe it could come sooner or later, and it is something that many people would love to see on the big screen, with Surtur outshining Malekith and giving us a breath of fresh air from all that is Loki. Not that there is anything wrong with Loki or Hiddles portrayal, but we need to see our hero face something new. We know that Loki will still play into things, obviously, but it will be nice to have a threat that actually seems to threaten Thor this time. And the scene we saw from Avengers 2 showing what appeared to be Thor returning to Asgard would seem to insinuate he will be leaving Earth...again. So, we have no real evidence that this is the direction they will go for the story, but we can take a moment to observe the release date. Considering GotG2 has already been confirmed as the July release, that only leaves Thor with May or November as options, and to reiterate what Feige had said about new properties following old, it would seem like this will be where Thor finds his home. 

Ruling: Not Confirmed, but likely.




July 28th, 2017: Guardians of the Galaxy 2 - War of Kings

This movie has already been confirmed for this dat, and on my birthday! However, when this list was released, it had not been yet confirmed for this date. In doing so, Marvel Studios lent a little bit of credibility to this image, leading myself and others to wonder how much truth rings out in the other titles. With the recent rumors swirling, it's likely we could see Hulk in this movie in a sort of loose adaptation of Planet Hulk. Marvel is wary of a solo Hulk film at the moment, but they know they can tust Hulk in a team, so why not mix it up with this rag tag crew. And instead of arriving on Earth with the crew from Planet Hulk, Banner could return with the Guardians, which would leave them in a convenient spot for Thanos.

Ruling: Confirmed




November, 3rd, 2017: Black Panther

At this point we are in full speculation territory. Here are the facts.
1.Stan Lee has mentioned many, many times that a Black Panther movie is coming. (Though, let's be honest, he says a lot of things.)
2.The release date is at the end of the year, which would seem likely to fit perfectly for a new fanchise. 
3. If Tony is indeed joining Cap 3, and Hulk is indeed joing GotG2, that means the main characters are taken care of in this phase, leaving Panther or someone else (Ms Marvel, Nova) to join Ant Man and Strange. It's unlikely that we will see Inhumans take this slot, because right after Guardians of the Galaxy might prove a bit confusing. 
4. It is highly rumored that we will see Wakanda in Avengers 2 and/or Cap 3. With Ultron upgrading and Cap's shield broken, it makes sense. This would be the perfect time to get this franchise off the ground. 

Ruling: Possibly, but no way to really tell at this point. 



July 6th, 2018: Avengers 3 - Civil War

This would have seemed like a dream that was never coming true to most of us, especially considering where a lot of the major properties lie (not getting into that at the moment) but considering the recent news, this now seems not only possible, but it looks like this is what Marvel actually has in store for us. Sure, RDJ could have been a red herring, but would they really have wanted to promise something like that only to throw us off? I don't think so. I think they are going to get in one of their most popular recent storylines while still fleshing out the Thanos arc on the other side of space until it all collides. It's weird to see an Avengers film in July, but it's only one month. 

Ruling: Unconfirmed, but becoming likely.



November 2nd, 2018: World War Hulk

Again, speculation here. But if you have been following along and agree with Hulk showing up in GotG 2, this could be what follows Civil War. Ruffalo has a 6 picture deal. If planet hulk is a team movie, and wwh is another of his films, plus three avengers movies, this could be their way of getting away from doing too many solo hulk outings. We'll have to wait and see here. I would have said it seemed outrageous, but maybe this is another storyline Marvel wants to loosely adapt before Infinity comes in and paves way for a new team of heroes. Also, between this and Civil War, it would explain why Marvel is only doing two movies in that year if they are both on this big of a scale. Not to mention, this is the perfect insertion for the Guardians of the Galaxy to meet the Avengers. Hulk is pissed and he's got new friends. They would take the place of the people from the World War Hulk comic, which would make some people upset, but it might work out a lot better. And ultimately, we know they'll all work together in the end against Thanos, and possibly even with the Inhumans. Which brings me to my next point...

Ruling: Possible. Truly not sure.



May 3rd, 2019: Inhumans

Who knows what this date could be? I don't know if this movie will be Inhumans, but why not? Here are a number of reasons I think it could be.
1. Marvel has recently been pushing Inhumans on their comics side, just like they did with Guardians before the movie was announced.
2. Marvel needs an answer to their mutant problem. This is a popular theory, and honestly quite an easy way out. If Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch prove to be Inhumans, I think this is likely.
3. AoS seems to be foreshadowing this. Sure, Skye's dad could be something else entirely, but this seems most likely. With Skye and Raina as Inhumans, people will be more familiar with the term by the time the movie releases. 
4. If Civil War and World War Hulk happen back to back, people are going to need a break from the madness that just happened to the friendly faces we know. Much like we shot off to space to spend time with the Guardians after the seriousness of The Winter Soldier, this could be our break from that world, and all the while Thanos could be advancing in this movie. 

Ruling: Likely

So, having gone over everything in detail, I would say it's not only possible, but it's probable that this list was actually spot on after all! I welcome criticism, and like I said this was my first attempt at an editorial. If you stuck around to read, thanks! Hit me a red glove and I'll be glad to chat you up in the comments section! 

 
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JacuzziJoe
JacuzziJoe - 10/17/2014, 9:20 AM
Thanks Scorp! I usually read articles and comments from the shadows, and I usually agree with your opinions. I've grown to know who I generally agree with and not on this site out of the usual players.

I should have gone into more detail regarding the GotG 2 Hulk thing. I don't think it will be anything like Planet Hulk from the comics, but maybe a small part of that within GotG, like they find him on a planet where he's fighting monsters, such as the Krogan (Is that what they are called?) Rock monster that we already saw in Thor 2. There was a skeleton of Beta Ray Bill's race in GotG as well, so that's a possibility. I think he'll end up with the Guardians as his replacement team for those he brings with him though from the comic, leading into something similar to WWH. Idk, it's a possibility. Those are the ones I'm really iffy on.

By the way, any tips to improve on my next run?

Thanks again!
TheNameIsBetty
TheNameIsBetty - 10/17/2014, 9:22 AM
The 'editorial' section has been pretty loose on rules lately, so I wouldn't worry about it. They're letting any old Tony, Steve, and Bruce post whatever they want these days. :P (Tom, Dick, and Harry....it's a joke, calm down)

I honestly don't know what to make of it all since the Civil War announcement. There's so much that would need to happen in order for it to reflect the canon events in the comics in any way. I guess all we can do is wait. Dr. Strange is the one movie I'm banking on for the moment to be awesome, the rest of them I am less excited for
JacuzziJoe
JacuzziJoe - 10/17/2014, 9:35 AM
@Christuffer

That was my initial thought as well, that I didn't know what to think. It took me a couple of days and then I looked back at this list and it started to seem more likely to me. So I wrote this out. And then I lost it all after writing it last night, so I re wrote it today. I may have forgotten a few of the points I wanted to make.

I think it's obvious that Civil War is going to be different, but I think they can give us a Civil War with what they have. Especially is the Russos are behind it, I feel like they have a good grasp on the material. I have faith there, though I still don't know what to really expect. I think this next phase is going to really blow us all away if these are all the actual films. If Ant Man, Strange, and Panther are up to par, and the rest of those titles deliver like they seem like they may, we are in for a real treat.

Serving alongside everything DC has in store, we have a bright future ahead of us.
JacuzziJoe
JacuzziJoe - 10/17/2014, 9:36 AM
@scorpion8125

I forgot to mention you, sorry.
NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 10/17/2014, 10:10 AM
You mind if I use your article as a reference point for my later theory installations? You know, so people can look at this and see the reasoning behind stuff I'm thinking because you've detailed it perfectly.
JacuzziJoe
JacuzziJoe - 10/17/2014, 10:12 AM
@omegadagod

Thanks Omega, I've got to be honest, seeing you guys I usually follow comment on my articles is pretty cool haha.

I will admit I wanted to see Civil War but I really didn't expect it. I especially didn't expect to see RDJ in Cap 3. It has thrown me and everyone else way off lol. But that's what made me think there could be more to that list after all.

Any tips on how to better my next editorial?
JacuzziJoe
JacuzziJoe - 10/17/2014, 10:14 AM
@NovaCorpsFan

Please do! Man, I'm a big fan of yours when it comes to editorials. I've noticed that you are going to do them in installments now, which is a great idea, but I wasn't complaining about your long ones either. It definitely was a great use of my time reading your updated theories at my second job.

Glove me? And any tips you have would be greatly appreciated!
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/17/2014, 10:16 AM
Great article, especially for a first-timer! Hope to see more editorials from you in the future.

I'm still split on that image, though. On one hand, it really DOES seem like it got a lot right: I've read some insiders who are convinced that Cap 3 is going to be called either "The Fallen Son" or "Civil War", Planet/World War Hulk seems to be becoming more and more likely, Doctor Strange is clearly going to be made at some point, and I can't think of another foe for Thor to face to finish off his trilogy.

But on the other, a lot of it just seemed like logical speculation. I don't remember exactly when this image came out, but I don't think it was unreasonable to make a best guess, throw up some quick photoshop (pretty bad photoshop too...they re-use the exact same lens-flare effect 3 or 4 times haha), and go from there.

I also don't think Avengers 3 will be solely about the Civil War at all. From everything we've heard about it so far, it's not going to feature familiar characters like Cap or Iron Man or really anyone from The Avengers. It'll be an almost entirely new team, facing a different threat (no idea what that threat is though). Seriously, like Omega said, Marvel has pretty much made it impossible to make any kind of guesses about the future of the MCU now.

Good stuff!
NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 10/17/2014, 10:19 AM
@Jacuzzijoe
Tips... tips...

You can edit the sizes of your images. Very handy for saving space and making the article SEEM shorter but it's still a long read. Just right click the image, go into image properties and you can change the width and height to something more suitable. And maybe use a slightly bigger font, traditional font is 14 for this site.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/17/2014, 10:30 AM
"Very handy for saving space and making the article SEEM shorter but it's still a long read."

Guys, guys, Nova's secret is out! Don't fall for his editorials anymore, he's just trying to fool us! =P
JacuzziJoe
JacuzziJoe - 10/17/2014, 10:35 AM
@SauronsBANE

Thanks man!

What you mentioned about Cap and Iron Man not being in Avengers 3 was my only reservation, and it was making me think the same thing, but I think that stuff came out before RDJ negotiated for Cap 3, and I think that might have changed some things. In his interview last week, RDJ said that he would be doing more things with marvel outside of the Avengers, and he made it sound like that meant adding more things to his contract, not replacing. Also, I think his contract was specific to A2 and A3, so Idk about that honestly. I feel like they could make Civil War work, but they definitely would need Cap UNLESS Iron Man kills him in Fallen Son and then Civil War ensues after that... Cap's death could really set it off. Again, not sure. I'd like to see a Masters of Evil but I don't know where they could possibly fit in with all of this.

And about the image, I never thought the image was official. But maybe someone got official knowledge, and threw together the makeshift image. Not sure.

Thanks again, your support means a lot, I'll be sure to post more in the future.

Glove me? And any tips you have?
NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 10/17/2014, 10:35 AM
I thought this was common knowledge! Damn you all to hell!

*vanishes in poof of smoke*
JacuzziJoe
JacuzziJoe - 10/17/2014, 10:35 AM
@NovaCorpsFan

That's great advice, I'll make sure to do that next time. I was unsure of where to go with the font, and I'll make sure to edit the images as well. Thanks again!
ruggj
ruggj - 10/17/2014, 10:36 AM
The May 4, 2018 is missing from this schedule. Probable release date for Avengers 3.
JacuzziJoe
JacuzziJoe - 10/17/2014, 10:39 AM
@ruggj

I was wondering if there was another one that year that I was forgetting. It's possible that could be it, but either way, it's good to know that there will be another MCU installment then, either finishing Phase 3 or starting Phase 4.
JacuzziJoe
JacuzziJoe - 10/17/2014, 10:40 AM
@dethpillow

Thanks haha! I often enjoy your little poetic inputs.

Glove?
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/17/2014, 10:54 AM
@JacuzziJoe I actually like the idea of Cap's death being the catalyst for the Civil War to come in Avengers 3...though it would seriously mess with the fan-fiction in my head of ALL of the Avengers facing off against Thanos in some future Avengers movie, everyone is dead or dying, Cap steps forward, holding mjolnir, and epicness ensues, minds are blown, and everyone is reduced to fangirling haha. We'll just have to wait and see!

And hmmm, as for any tips, I'm pretty sure Nova said everything I would've said in regards to the pictures and the font size. The only thing I would say is if you're planning on contributing more editorials here, don't forget to change things up once in a while! There's one particular user lately whose recent string of editorials are literally the exact. same. format. of just 3 or 4 pictures, 1 or 2 sentences that comment on the picture, and they never tell us anything we didn't already know haha.

Top 10 lists, theories on the future of any particular franchise, looking back at previous movies and perhaps giving your take on something we may have missed...use your imagination and keep things fresh! And don't forget that this is all supposed to be for fun anyways haha. Good luck!
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/17/2014, 10:56 AM
Oh God dethpillow, "glove me" DOES sound like some kind of euphemism for...other things haha. As long as there was mutual consent between the both of you, then it's all good! Though I'm not sure how the whole "sleeping" thing factors into it...
Minty
Minty - 10/17/2014, 11:02 AM
Good stuff, especially for a first article (it's way better than when I tried to do a Phase 3 piece!) You've balanced speculation and honest facts nicely - I can definitely see this theory playing out onscreen over the next few years. I'd love to see Hulk/Guardians become a thing, while Civil War has the potential to be legendary.

"Though, let's be honest, he says a lot of things" - LMAO! I love Stan but you've hit the nail right on the head there. Till Feige says its so I'm refusing to get my hopes up for Black Panther (as much as I desperately want to see it happen).

I see you're taking tips from the @SauronsBANE school of advice and editorials. Heed his words wisely, he helped me about a year ago go from CBM noob to... well whatever I am today, haha!

Good work overall! Looking forward to seeing more articles from you in the future :)
JacuzziJoe
JacuzziJoe - 10/17/2014, 11:05 AM
@dethpillow

Oh, I remember.

And I believe someone leaked that Cap would be absent from A3, but not Iron Man.

@SauronsBANE

I also want to see that. I think Cap could die in Cap 3, setting up Civil War, but of course, Cap would come back just in time for Thanos. That would give Evans a break and also not murder his contract outright and leave everyone screaming with joy upon his return. I could so see that happening.

Another thing to mention, everyone was pretty sure that Tony would be in a coma at the end of A2, I guess these recent rumors throw that all off haha!

And yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about in terms of the repeat editorials. I have seen them piling up over the last week or so, and I will be careful to avoid a similar fate!
JacuzziJoe
JacuzziJoe - 10/17/2014, 11:08 AM
@Minty

Thanks! All of you guys, thanks for the support. I wasn't sure how my first editorial would be received. I've seen things go bad on here haha.

Also, Minty, I love Stan but I mean...the man hasn't even seen Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and I'm sure there is a lot of stuff he doesn't know about. It seems to me that when I try to follow the way he words things, it's easy to see that he knows things, but not as much detail maybe as we'd like to believe he does. He's just kind of cruising along.

Minty
Minty - 10/17/2014, 11:14 AM
@JacuzziJoe - No worries man! We're mostly a decent bunch of friendly geeks and a-little-too-friendly old men (funny you just turned up @Gusto... :P ). Haha yeah that's Stan the Man for you!
JacuzziJoe
JacuzziJoe - 10/17/2014, 11:15 AM
@Gusto

The all knowing Gusto graces me with his presence!!!

I've hit the big leagues now, baby!!!
JacuzziJoe
JacuzziJoe - 10/17/2014, 11:15 AM
@Gusto

And thanks, haha.
yossarian
yossarian - 10/17/2014, 11:17 AM
Thumbed.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/17/2014, 11:18 AM
@Minty Aw shucks =P

Mrsinister
Mrsinister - 10/17/2014, 11:18 AM
really good article!
FordEl
FordEl - 10/17/2014, 11:20 AM
Ehh not really that excited.
JacuzziJoe
JacuzziJoe - 10/17/2014, 11:32 AM
@yossarian

Thanks Yoss!
JacuzziJoe
JacuzziJoe - 10/17/2014, 11:33 AM
@Mrsinister

Thank you, good sir!

@FordEl

For any of it?

@Omarvls

What are you most stoked for?
yossarian
yossarian - 10/17/2014, 11:33 AM
It's your first article? Welcome. We have fun here. But not as much fun as renting a car.
Desrow
Desrow - 10/17/2014, 11:34 AM


Good job man.
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