Marvel Comics Editor Says Earth-616's SPIDER-MAN Can't Marry Mary Jane Watson But Suggests They CAN Date

Marvel Comics Editor Says Earth-616's SPIDER-MAN Can't Marry Mary Jane Watson But Suggests They CAN Date

Marvel Comics Editor Tom Brevoort has explained the decision to stop the Earth-616 Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson from marrying, but with Amazing Spider-Man #1000 fast approaching, could things change?

By JoshWilding - Sep 26, 2024 09:09 AM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Comics
Source: Popverse

In 2007, Marvel Comics unexpectedly decided to end the marriage of Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson-Parker in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man

J. Michael Straczynski and Joe Quesada's "One More Day" saw Peter and MJ enter a bargain with the devil Mephisto to save his Aunt May's life after she was shot. The villain agreed to save her in return for their marriage and it's since been strongly hinted that he did so to stop them from having a daughter - Spider-Girl - who would eventually destroy him. 

As a result of Mephisto's spell, the world forgot Peter was Spider-Man (after he'd revealed his identity to the world in Civil War) and history was rewritten to make it so that these two had never got married. 

It's been close to two decades since the story played out, but many fans remain desperate to see Peter and MJ's marriage restored. Recently, Marvel Comics has attempted to placate fans with Jonathan Hickman's Ultimate Spider-Man, a series about an older web-slinger who is married with two children. 

That's not Earth-616, though, and at last weekend's Baltimore Comic Con, Marvel Comics veteran and current X-Men editor Tom Brevoort was asked about editorial mandates at the publisher. 

"If you're working for Marvel, the ground rules are all the characters are Marvel's and Marvel as an institution gets to decide what's right and what's wrong for these characters. So there are certain things you don't want Spider-Man to do," he started. "He can get back with Mary Jane. He just can't actually tie the knot with Mary Jane."

Talking about mandates which are firmly in place, Brevoort explained, "Those are the ground rules going in. If you're going to work on whatever character - if you're going to work on Daredevil, you're going to have to deal with the fact that he's blind and he's probably going to stay that way for a while."

Last year, Marvel's Editor-in-chief C.B. Cebulski said that keeping Peter and Mary Jane from getting married was a preference rather than a set rule, something he also suggested could eventually change. 

"It’s not a mandate by any chance. In 2 years or 5 years, something could change, someone could have the greatest story – Zeb [Wells, currently Amazing Spider-Man writer] possibly – for why they should be married again, if they make it through their current trials and tribulations."

"There’s no mandate that any character should or shouldn’t be married, it’s just where the story takes us and what we think is the best for the creative team at the time, and what they choose to do with the stories."

During Nick Spencer's Amazing Spider-Man run, Peter and MJ did grow close and there were hints that Mephisto was unhappy about that. In fact, the hero was about to propose before time-travel shenanigans led to them growing apart. 

Amazing Spider-Man #1000 isn't that far away and, based on how well Ultimate Spider-Man has been selling, that would be the place to make things right between these characters...

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ItsNotForMeWahh
ItsNotForMeWahh - 9/26/2024, 9:18 AM
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Just have him move on or change those dumb rules
ItsNotForMeWahh
ItsNotForMeWahh - 9/26/2024, 9:22 AM
Kind of ridiculous that they equated Peter and MJ marrying to Daredevils disability
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 9/26/2024, 10:01 AM
@ItsNotForMeWahh - Was a proper dickhead comparison. They’re out of touch
r1g0r
r1g0r - 9/26/2024, 9:26 AM
Leave it to marvel to drag out ONE storyline for years.

These guys should be writing soap opera.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 9/26/2024, 9:54 AM
@r1g0r - Tbf Marvel comics have always been superhero soap operas. That’s what separated them from DC, especially titles like Spider-Men and X-Men, and why Teen Titans blew up when they adopted that style of writing.
RolandD
RolandD - 9/26/2024, 12:08 PM
@FireandBlood - TBF, DC adopted that style of storytelling in many of its comics long before Titans. I would say that Titans mostly blew up because of the creative team of Wolfman, Perez and Tanghal, although as you pointed out , they used that style of storytelling. I think Wolfman was an excellent writer. In the 80s after John Byrne had done his update on Superman, I preferred Adventures of Superman by Wolfman and Ordway. And Perez is definitely one of my favorite comic book artists.
kazuma
kazuma - 9/26/2024, 9:34 AM
Yeah, this guy should definitely be fired.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 9/26/2024, 9:37 AM
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BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 9/26/2024, 9:37 AM
And that is why Ultimate is outselling Amazing.
supermanrex
supermanrex - 9/26/2024, 10:03 AM
@BritishMonkey - its because ultimate spidey has no guardrails and its fresh. its like the og ultimate universe where they can take those risks and it counts but not really since its a variant. they can have their cake and eat it too like this.
HermanM
HermanM - 9/26/2024, 9:39 AM
Good. Wish DC had the same sense to undo the marriage to Lois Lane and keep Superman's identity a secret again.
kazuma
kazuma - 9/26/2024, 10:00 AM
@HermanM - How you doing? You know, with all the CRACK you be smoking?
UltimaRex
UltimaRex - 9/26/2024, 10:01 AM
@HermanM - they did. That was Superman III. Fans didn't like it so they bought Superman II back.

You were asleep.
You didn't vote
HermanM
HermanM - 9/26/2024, 12:20 PM
@UltimaRex - actually that was Superman 2 where Lois forgets that Clark is Superman and they aren't married but go off.
DrDReturns
DrDReturns - 9/26/2024, 12:47 PM
@HermanM - Why? Personally, I love seeing the growth of marriage for these characters.
HermanM
HermanM - 9/26/2024, 1:03 PM
@DrDReturns - because the secret identity is part of the point of the character. Which is what James Gunn understands and is why he is bringing it back in the new film
dagenspear
dagenspear - 9/26/2024, 2:54 PM
@HermanM - It clearly isn't, otherwise it wouldn't have existed for the character for about 30 or so years.

What decides otherwise for the characer?
HermanM
HermanM - 9/26/2024, 3:34 PM
@dagenspear - the creators and what worked when the chatacters were at their most successful
dagenspear
dagenspear - 9/26/2024, 3:52 PM
@HermanM - How does that decide quality or what should be the direction?
HermanM
HermanM - 9/26/2024, 10:06 PM
@dagenspear - it's what makes the character iconic and is what he is known for
PC04
PC04 - 9/26/2024, 9:52 AM
Daredevil is blind. Spider-man is booty-blinded. I can see the similarity =)
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 9/26/2024, 9:56 AM
So much good stuff from JMS. His run was... Amazing. Yet this- THIS is the 💩 they treasure???

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supermanrex
supermanrex - 9/26/2024, 10:07 AM
@KennKathleen - the marriage from decision came down from Quesada at that time when he was EIC. he was in charge still after being promoted hence it stuck all them years after. now he is gone and they may well change it because its obvious ultimate spider man was guinea pig. since sales are crazy they will duplicate it in mainline soon.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 9/26/2024, 11:52 AM
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UltimaRex
UltimaRex - 9/26/2024, 10:24 AM
F' that.

If it were up to me, the very next issue would have Peter woken up by May crying in the next room.
Looks over, MJ's sleeping next to him, ring still on.

It was all a dream.
supermanrex
supermanrex - 9/26/2024, 4:24 PM
@UltimaRex - [frick]ing terrible that marvel would let this plot hole go for so long with his 616 daughter.
Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 9/26/2024, 10:30 AM
thats [frick]ing disgusting
is there a better example of why marvel and dc comics are shit? always backwards never forwatds
dagenspear
dagenspear - 9/26/2024, 2:51 PM
@Superheromoviefan - That's a bit intense to me.
FrankenDad
FrankenDad - 9/26/2024, 10:38 AM
I’m wondering if they go back to the One More Day/Brand New Day stuff when the legacy issues hit 1000. 616 Spider-Man legacy count is currently at 948, which is another 4 years, but I could certainly my see them visiting it for that milestone.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 9/26/2024, 10:42 AM

Crash, burn...
Vigor
Vigor - 9/26/2024, 10:46 AM
Can someone who is a bigger apiderman fan than I, explain why Peter just NEEDS to marry MJ in your eyes ? Please explain respectfully.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 9/26/2024, 10:49 AM
@Vigor - character growth.
cham2119
cham2119 - 9/26/2024, 10:55 AM
@harryba11zack - Nuff said
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 9/26/2024, 11:07 AM
@Vigor - They want years of character development restored that was stripped from the character when their marriage was written out and the character regressed in attempt to maintain the “status quo”. Now the editors just won’t let Peter’s character grow.
Vigor
Vigor - 9/26/2024, 11:11 AM
@FireandBlood @harryba11zack

Gotcha

I wouldn't mind seeing an experienced spiderman lead a team. Not so much into his married life but I get it. Part of what makes peter parker character work is how he balances personal and superhero life
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 9/26/2024, 12:55 PM
@Vigor - It would have been difference if they divorced, got back together, split up, co-parented, yada yada. That’s where it should’ve went, but we got none of that. Nobody’s really asking for a happy ending, but part of the pull was watching Peter experience life, and we get very little growth in that aspect of the character now. Now they’re just in a cycle of rehashing the same tropes to maintain a status quo. They do the same with Batman and Superman, though they’ve arguably let Superman grow that little bit more.
Order66
Order66 - 9/26/2024, 10:58 AM
Two words, character growth. For him to be stuck in dating limbo makes no [frick]ing sense. MJ is the love of his life. The old cliche hero can’t be happy shtick is old now.
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 9/26/2024, 11:18 AM
@Order66 - The reason I always loved those early years of Spidey was because he was ALWAYS moving forward. He went from a high school loser to a total chad that was married to a supermodel. I related because I grew up from a high school loser into a relatively well-adjusted person too.

By doing this shit, they're only keeping Spidey relatable to unemployed single people in their 40s.
Order66
Order66 - 9/26/2024, 11:44 AM
@HOTSHOT - exactly! Always moving forward. Great point. If it was up to me I would be making Peter’s new status quo as a married man to MJ and children on the way. We’ve moved beyond the college young adult Peter. Adult Peter with adult issues and adult situations should be the norm now. It’s 2024, not the 60s. Times have changed. Peter is a grown ass man now and needs to be married with kids or kids on the way in a few years.
FinnishDude
FinnishDude - 9/26/2024, 11:00 AM
Putting aside how there's no actual good reason for why not, the problem isn't that Spidey isn't with the "right woman", but that a deal with a Devil was the dumbest (and frankly kinda character assassinating) way to seperate the two.
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