People Seem to Want to Overlook ‘Agent Carter’ Flaws

People Seem to Want to Overlook ‘Agent Carter’ Flaws

While Agent Carter enjoyed a strong inaugural season, some may be overlooking some flaws in hopes for a second season.

Editorial Opinion
By Shazam37 - Mar 17, 2015 03:03 PM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Comics

I finally got around to watching Marvel’s Agent Carter this past week, and while I enjoyed the eight-episode mini-series, and would definitely watch a second season, should it be awarded one, I wouldn’t be devastated if it didn’t. In fact, upon completion of the series I took to the internet to see how it was received by audiences. What I found was that its ratings dropped significantly as the series continued yet it received extremely strong reviews from major websites.

Agent Carter

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Agent Carter had three things going for it: very good acting, great characters, and it’s connection to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Unfortunately that connection means nothing to those outside of the comic book community, but because they used it to supplement the story rather than rely on it, they were still able to deliver a strong series that anyone could watch and enjoy. Overall, though, I do feel that this series is a bit overrated. Maybe we were all just so overjoyed to see a fresh, new series starring a badass female lead that we allowed ourselves to completely overlook the weak storyline and sporadic sloppy writing.

**Spoilers to follow**

Let's start with the weak plot.

Midway through the season, we discover that there are two antagonists in this story. Dottie Underwood is introduced as Peggy’s neighbor from Iowa before we learn that she actually trained in the same program that Black Widow would eventually graduate from. Her partner, Dr. Ivchenko, is introduced as a prisoner of Leviathan but is later revealed to be a Russian doctor who studied hypnosis and survived the mysterious battle of Finau. The battle, though, never actually happened, instead the Russian army was exposed to Howard Stark’s failed Midnight Oil experiment. The gas, which was supposed to keep soldiers up through the night, instead turned them rabid and looking to kill anyone in sight. This resulted in a massacre at Finau even though there was no second army.

Dr. Ivchenko

While the antagonists’ motives were plausible, their master plan was extremely simplistic: gas Times Square with Midnight Oil during a large event so that thousands will be exposed to the gas and destroy each other. Not only is it overly simple, but it has been done before in another comic book movie. Batman Begins has a very similar sequence of events that led to a portion of the city being exposed to Scarecrow’s fear toxin which resulted in the city “tearing itself apart”; only it was a much more complex situation in the film which pulled it off successfully. I’m not knocking the existence of the Midnight Oil, in fact, it was tied in beautifully with the battle of Finau and the main motive behind the conflict; I just don’t like how simply it was supposed to be used for the master plan. This would have been easy to overlook if the writing was strong enough to support the plot and didn't rely on multiple conveniences, especially regarding the second antagonist.

The Dottie Underwood arc was very interesting and added a nice tie-in to Black Widow and the MCU. Her character was extremely deadly and badass, that being said, she should have been dead at least two times before her and Peggy engaged in their final battle, which she, unsurprisingly, survives. The first occasion was when Agents Thompson and Sousa were looking for her in the office building across from the SSR HQ and Thompson essentially tells Sousa “if you see her shoot because she’s a crazy, deadly ninja”. Minutes later, Sousa is standing behind her and can easily put two bullets in her leg, at the very least, and instead let’s her get the drop on him and escape. The second occurrence came right before the final fight when Peggy, again, had her at gunpoint, again, knowing that she’s a crazy, deadly ninja, and, again, didn’t at least try to immobilize her with a flesh wound.

Agent Carter
Agent Carter

This can be shrugged off by saying “they didn’t want to shoot an unarmed woman” and maybe that holds a little bit of ground for the Sousa situation, even though he was just told how dangerous she was. But Carter had seen first-hand what young girls from that program could do. Instead of allowing her to knock her rifle away so we could have a sloppy fight scene, it would’ve been so much more intimidating and impressive for her to walk in, incapacitate her with the rifle, and apprehend the doctor. She knew the stakes and she knew that she didn’t have time to get into a lengthy fist fight, (which she had no business winning). This wasn’t the only time Dottie got away with the benefit of the doubt.

This might be nitpicking, but the baby carriage in the movie theatre scene also bothered me. It’s a small gripe, but why go through all the trouble of having the one guy complain about the baby’s inevitable crying and another old lady telling her not to mind him only for Dottie to then just leave the carriage in the aisle and exit the theatre without anyone having a problem with it?

That was a small grievance, but my biggest problem is Marvel’s continuous use of mind control. It’s one of the most overused ways to make up for lazy writing and lack of imagination. In Agent Carter, Dr. Ivchenko uses it on multiple occasions in order to get SSR agents, and even Howard Stark, to do his bidding until Sousa finally outsmarts him by stuffing cotton in his own ears; even the Midnight Oil could be considered a bit of mind control. This wouldn’t irk me so much if we haven’t already seen it used on multiple occasions in the MCU. Mind control is used on several characters in The Avengers by Loki,  Thor: The Dark World (to an extent) by the aether, and in both seasons of Agents of Shield… (and from one trailer it looks like Scarlet Witch is trying to control Black Widow’s mind in Age of Ultron). Also, if you watch any of Marvel’s animated shows you know that they have relied on the use of mind control countless times. It’s a boring gimmick that writers use to throw a twist into films and shows, and Marvel has gone to that well far too many times.

The last problem I have is the ending with Thompson. It was so disappointing and didn’t make any sense considering the development the character saw througout the series. As the episodes went on they showed how Agent Thompson had come to trust and respect Agent Carter. But they erase all of this when he goes on to take all the credit from the congressman and doesn’t even mention Peggy (or any of the other agents) just so she can have her “I don’t care what people think of me, as long as I know I’m doing good” speech. They completely stomped on very nice character development as well as everything that Thompson and Carter went through after the mission to Russia, when Thompson began to see her as more of an equal. It felt like a metaphorical punch in the face to Thompson’s character arc.

Agent Carter

Even with this list of complaints, I did still enjoy the series as a whole. But I would rate it closer to 7.5-7.8 rather than 8.5-9.7 as it has been rated. It was a solid show with great characters and acting. We were able to see the effect that Captain America’s death had on popular characters like Peggy and Howard and we were introduced to Edmund Jarvis, who was my personal favorite. Hayley Atwell proved that she can carry a series and, more importantly, that a woman can lead a popular, nationally-telvised series. Does this mean that the show is granted a second season? That’s for ABC to decide. If it does, I would hope that they make a point to strengthen their writing as well as delve into the inception of SHIELD as I was a little disappointed they didn’t lay any groundwork for that in season one.

We should learn the fate of Agent Carter this May. 


 

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DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 3/17/2015, 6:31 PM
Do you know who Dr. Ivchenko was?

If not, then your totally missing the point and how this relates to the comics/source material.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 3/17/2015, 6:50 PM
Eh, if you were this nitpicky with Agent Carter, then I fully expect you to have HATED Agents of SHIELD, which deserves far more criticism than Agent Carter.

I actually really agree that the final reveal of the villainous plot was a little uninspired...but it actually served the story well. It allowed us an opportunity to see Peggy at her most vulnerable and most personal, and it tied everything together neatly with Cap and the climax of The First Avenger. Had the finale been more large-scale and complex than that, we would've missed out on such a great little moment.

But everything else you mentioned really aren't flaws. I actually think the Midnight Oil has far more in common with the plot device used in Kingsmen: The Secret Service rather than Batman Begins, but that's not exactly a flaw. A personal preference that you didn't enjoy? Sure...but by no means does that bring down the quality of the show itself.

The deal with Dottie constantly surviving isn't even worth pointing out - she's one of the main villains, so of course she'll live long enough to fight with the hero and then be set up for future appearances. That's how shows and movies work, especially those of the comic book variety.

And while the mind control aspect is getting a bit overused at this point...it's also ridiculously faithful to the source material. What more do comic book fans want?

The thing with Thompson is where I completely disagree, though. That last moment where he takes all the credit, despite EVERYTHING he's been through with Peggy, is literally the entire point of the show. Thompson was given some awesome development throughout the season, that's for sure...but he started out as kind of an asshole, and he simply ended up that way too. He's just a more 3-dimensional asshole now. Not EVERYONE needs to go through some life-altering character arc, you know? In that way, Agent Carter actually subverted an incredibly cheesy trope and made things more realistic.

But back to how that was the whole point of the show...what you dismiss as an excuse to give her a nice speech, is actually the defining moment of Peggy's entire arc. She finally came to a place where she realized that she's been doing it wrong all along - she shouldn't have been trying to prove people wrong and have them think highly of her. She should've been thinking highly of HERSELF right from the start. Her opinion of herself is all that matters, and that was the final push she needed in order to get to that point.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 3/17/2015, 6:54 PM
Seen from that perspective, it becomes clear that the show put Peggy's own personal journey and arc ahead of everything else. The writers managed to make season 1 all about her moving on from Cap, while also tying together all the relevant social commentary in order to progress Peggy into a more well-rounded, fully realized, 3-dimensional character. That's why there's been so much love for this show so far.

Personally, I couldn't ask for anything more than that.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 3/17/2015, 8:06 PM
@KurtWagner1225

Wannabe
Wannabe - 3/17/2015, 8:25 PM
No one is expecting this show to receive a second season. Not because it wasn't good, but because it's not necessary. Pointless rant is pointless.
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 3/17/2015, 10:53 PM
@Sauronsbane, thank you.
superotherside
superotherside - 3/17/2015, 10:56 PM
I actually agree with some of these points. I liked the show but it did have it's faults.

The mind control thing is something I have always had a problem with in story telling. While as an aspiring writer I understand why it's used I dislike it when it's used because there is usually a much more interesting way you can do the same thing without mind control.

Also I agree that Peggy would have shot her on the spot. This is something I hate about a lot of movies. They always have this "good guy/bad guy stand off" they throw down their weapons and beat each other with their fists "because" annnnnnnnnnnd that explains it.

A recent example of this is John Wick. An alright film, but all these stupid stand offs fights have got to stop. It's boring and cliche now.

Still I liked the series and it's a ton better than Agents Of Shield at least.

If they have a second season, while it's not necessary, I would still watch it.
Shazam37
Shazam37 - 3/18/2015, 10:46 AM
@SauronsBANE You make some really good points, especially regarding Thompson. But, I do think that the deal with Dottie is worth pointing out. The, sometimes, sloppy writing is what allowed the character to get into those precarious positions in the first place. In fact, when she was in the building with Sousa she saw his shadow and knew where he was standing -- so why would a trained assassin allow her assailant to reveal himself behind her? Was she banking on him not having the guts to shoot her? That's a major convenience.

Also, Peggy had no business winning that fight at the end. Dottie's skills are so far superior than hers and she probably should've been able to take her out easily, and without the use of a bat.

Last thing, when a series isn't sure that it will get a second season there's really no need to allow the antagonist to, not only survive, but get free. (I guess this is kind of a spoiler if you haven't seen Legend of Korra, but...) Look at The Legend of Korra's first season finale, it gives closure to the story arc in such a magnificent way. It brings finality to a story that may not continue. Instead, with Agent Carter, we're left with questions of where this chick went (and maybe they'll answer it in Civil War or Age of Ultron and my entire argument will be for naught lol)

But, like you said, some of this may be nitpicking or overanalyzing and some may just be personal preference. Can't wait until May to learn if they'll get picked up for next season!
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 3/18/2015, 3:15 PM
@Shazam37 To be clear, I do understand your point about Dottie. Those kinds of contrivances usually do bother me, I'll admit...but when it comes to comic book movies/shows, I guess I'm slightly more forgiving of them. It kind of comes with the territory sometimes, you know?

Now, could they have written it slightly better so that the Peggy/Dottie fight was more of a draw? Or so that Dottie doesn't keep getting into, as you said, precarious positions in the first place? Of course...but those are such minor little details in the overall grand scheme of things. You're absolutely free to dislike those and point them out...but IMO, by no means should you use them as examples of Agent Carter's "flaws" or use it as evidence for why it's "overrated". It's just way too minor to bring down the quality of the entire show, from a purely objective standpoint.

That's not to say that the show is without flaws though, don't get me wrong. I totally agree that the ultimate plot of the villains was weak, and that should absolutely be held against the writers of the show. No problems there. But that's a pretty major thing, and it goes beyond the somewhat lazy criticism of "They should've made Dottie do this, rather than that". That's where it gets a little nitpicky, IMO.

And just to throw my two cents in about Dottie's survival...I'm almost completely sure that this show will have another season. Marvel's higher-ups clearly went over every inch of the script of this show (which, for the most part, they DON'T do with Agents of SHIELD) and I'm sure they didn't just toss in a loose end like that for no reason.

But yeah, seems like we're in agreement over the overall quality of the show, so no biggie. I just love getting into these kinds of in-depth discussions, you know? Good stuff!
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 3/18/2015, 8:44 PM
It was done better in Batman Begins? Your kidding me right? The movie is awesome and is far better than tdkr but they have to get a giant microwave under the city and it microwaves all the water shooting the manhole covers up was better? That is almost the most ridiculous plot of all time, sure he did it ok, but it was still dumb as shvt.
Shazam37
Shazam37 - 3/18/2015, 10:23 PM
@huckfinnisher I have to disagree with you there. The device evaporates the water supply, which had been contaminated with Scarecrow's fear toxin, and led to the toxin being dispersed throughout the narrows. That's much more complex and entertaining than Howard Stark flying a few aluminum cans over Times Square. But what I meant was that the effect of the gas is the same.
Shazam37
Shazam37 - 3/18/2015, 10:28 PM
@GliderMan They probably are nitpicks and you're right, to Marvel's credit they do at least keep the mind control different but it's still stale at this point. And I get that it's "the roots" of what we see on AoS, but I just wish Marvel didn't rely on it so much. And I understand why Sousa didn't shoot but I think it was ill-advised for the writers to put him in that situation in the first place. Especially after Thompson literally just told him "If you see her, start shooting". But I do like your point about the Thompson ending, unfortunately it is very realistic.
Shazam37
Shazam37 - 3/18/2015, 10:31 PM
@SauronsBANE There are some rumors that ABC already cancelled it, that I'm hoping are false. I would like to see how they would approach a second season (especially if they plan on introducing SHIELD). And I completely agree, nice to have a respectable conversation with someone who sees something slightly different than yourself!
marvel72
marvel72 - 3/19/2015, 4:50 PM
The good outweighed the flaws,so for me it was a good show.
MileHighRonin
MileHighRonin - 3/21/2015, 3:23 PM
You had me until you started comparing it to Batman Begins. Marvel using mind control is too much? DC fanboy trying to be coy, "I liked it but....",

How about Gotham? What's your opinion on that? It's more mature and more dark? Yet all DC fanboys have no complaints about Selina Kyle being a witness to the Wayne's murder, Bruce and Harvey are not the same age, Poison Ivy is the daughter of the accused murderer.

Haters going to hate.
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