THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD Director Andy Muschietti Hasn't Spoken To James Gunn Since SUPERMAN Started Shooting

THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD Director Andy Muschietti Hasn't Spoken To James Gunn Since SUPERMAN Started Shooting

Despite claiming he's still attached to direct The Brave and the Bold for DC Studios, filmmaker Andy Muschietti has confirmed that he and James Gunn haven't spoken for upwards of a year. Check it out...

By JoshWilding - Jan 09, 2025 03:01 PM EST
Filed Under: The Brave and the Bold

The news that Andy Muschietti would direct The Brave and the Bold came shortly before The Flash raced into theaters. Was it meant as a sign of faith in the filmmaker or a way to distract from what proved to be a disastrous opening weekend?

We'll likely never know, though many fans have repeatedly questioned James Gunn's decision to bring Muschietti back into the fold. The director may fare better no longer forced to work under continuously changing Warner Bros. regimes, but whether he's the right person to tell this Batman and Robin story is up for debate.

Another quote has been translated from a recent interview Muschietti did and, well, it doesn't bode particularly well for the filmmaker still taking charge of The Brave and the Bold

"I've had conversations with James Gunn about the story concept," he revealed, "but we haven’t talked since before Superman began filming."

Superman started shooting last February, so that's upwards of a year of radio silence for a movie that's meant to be one of DC Studios' flagship titles. Gunn has insisted that the movie hasn't been delayed, but with both him and Matt Reeves strongly hinting that Robert Pattinson's Batman will be the DCU's Dark Knight, Muschietti being sidelined is looking increasingly likely. 

"As everyone knows, the Batman featured in The Brave and the Bold will belong to the new DC universe. It’s quite obvious that Matt Reeves’ Batman is not part of this new universe," Muschietti said elsewhere in this interview. "However, DC and Warner Bros. are moving forward with the second part of Reeves’ Batman series, which, as widely reported, is expected to release around 2027."

"Releasing two Batman films simultaneously would be counterproductive. What DC is doing is creating a strategy to ensure these two films don’t conflict with each other," he added. "Regarding my involvement in the project, there are good intentions for now. They want to do the movie with me, and I want to do it as well. I’m eager to work on the film. We are talking about the story and the tone."

As noted when we first shared these remarks, comments like "there are good intentions for now" seem to suggest that Muschietti is growing frustrated or downright unsure whether he's still attached to helm The Brave and the Bold

If not, Gunn should probably pull the plaster off sooner rather than later...unless he's keeping his options open while Reeves finishes The Batman Part II's script. 

It's a weird situation, that's for sure, and some clarification from DC Studios and Gunn is long overdue. Still, when he's also kept silent about Gal Gadot and Wonder Woman, for example, it's apparent there are some things he won't take to social media to comment on. 

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Dotanuki
Dotanuki - 1/9/2025, 3:32 PM
Ya got ghosted.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 1/9/2025, 3:37 PM
I still think it's kind of a bad idea for the head of a studio to also be the one directing.
Se4M4NSt4ine
Se4M4NSt4ine - 1/9/2025, 6:21 PM
@Highflyer - I kinda don’t… unlike Marvel, DC has to play catch-up. Looking at it from a solely business point of view, the superhero genre is dwindling in Box Office Numbers. The common audience isn’t going out to see the average superhero movie like they did pre-2020 covid.

The superhero movies now need to be big events to generate giant Box Office… The Batman, Spider-Man etc.

Marvel, with an already existing successful model, is even struggling to hit consistent marks, hence the return of their big names for the next Avengers movies. Unfortunately we’ve witnessed the unfortunate decline of big blockbuster super hero movies take a dip in quality and box office post Covid.

So it makes complete sense to me, that a studio wants to hit the ground running with a reboot, especially a reboot establishing that superheroes exist and thriving would employ a story teller to explore and set the foundations for the universe he’s wanting to jump start in his own respectful way, by directing and writing how he knows how to.

If I was building a house and I was a plumber by trade, and they asked me to pipe a house knowing fine well I’m a plumber, and do it to a great standard to ensure the other trades looked at my work and knew how to translate their work to that house, I know for a fact I’d do it my way rather than entrusting someone else.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 1/9/2025, 3:39 PM
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SpideyPuffsMJ
SpideyPuffsMJ - 1/9/2025, 3:41 PM
So there's some hope
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 1/9/2025, 3:41 PM
That just doesn't make a lick of sense, why would Gunn not talk to the man who made One Of The Best Superhero Movies He's Ever Seen?
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dracula
dracula - 1/9/2025, 4:33 PM
@HashTagSwagg - thats not what Gunn said in fact he put spiderverse at number 1
POWERDUDE
POWERDUDE - 1/9/2025, 6:44 PM
@dracula - why are you sticking up for Gunn? He’s not some kind of untouchable Midas Touch god of filmmaking. He said The Flash was one of the greatest superhero movies ever made. End of story, no argument. Stop gatekeeping Gunn all the time on here, just simply because he’s not Snyder. I used to be the same with Snyder, I used to gate keep him…. then I saw the woods for the trees. Being protective over millionaire filmmakers who likely will never give two hoots about you is simply fruitless. These are just interpretations. Nothing more.
dracula
dracula - 1/9/2025, 7:36 PM
@POWERDUDE - risread the comment, thought it said he said it was the best

Also thats what you call promoting a movie
Earleverlasting
Earleverlasting - 1/9/2025, 11:11 PM
@HashTagSwagg - Simple James like matt reeves batverse and in the hope of bringing other villains spin-off ideas
Webheaded225
Webheaded225 - 1/9/2025, 3:46 PM
James Gunn as the head of is DCU so far has been even more chaotic than the DCEU days. He announced movies that might never come out, doesn't speak to the directors, there's constant rumors about movies not set in his universe being shoehorned in for no reason, he has to retcon the TV series he himself made just to make a character from the DCEU become part of the DCU, announced a Clayface of all characters out of nowhere. A total mess.
foreverintheway
foreverintheway - 1/9/2025, 4:01 PM
@Webheaded225 - "there's constant rumors about movies not set in his universe" you said it yourself - RUMOURS! ie not real stories.
Arthorious
Arthorious - 1/9/2025, 5:51 PM
@Webheaded225 - well in the midst of this he does have better reviewed content than the DCEU.
DREAMER
DREAMER - 1/9/2025, 3:46 PM
Andy needs to apologize for The Flash fiasco, and then maybe, just maybe, DC CEO Mr Gunn might see him at his office
NonPlayerC
NonPlayerC - 1/9/2025, 6:06 PM
@DREAMER - well he kind had to use Ezra miller thanks to Snyder so I can give him a mulligan on that one
DREAMER
DREAMER - 1/9/2025, 7:27 PM
@NonPlayerC - And all those low budget CGI cameos and Michael Keaton looking like a homless man, was it Snyder's fault too?
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 1/9/2025, 3:47 PM
"with both him and Matt Reeves strongly hinting that Robert Pattinson's Batman will be the DCU's Dark Knight..."

Neither Gunn nor Reeves ever hinted at such a thing.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/9/2025, 4:24 PM
@TheJok3r - Gunn: "I've contemplated it, yeah."
Reeves: "It really comes [present tense, as of the Golden Globes this year] down to whether or not it makes sense... and y'know, what the future brings I can't really tell you... we'll have to see where that goes".
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/9/2025, 4:25 PM
@TheJok3r - Oh and there's this:
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McMurdo
McMurdo - 1/9/2025, 5:34 PM
@ObserverIO - that's the opposite of hinting it. He's simply confirming he did his job. But all signs point to a new Batman being cast. Creature Commandos Phospherous confirms Batman has been doing it for 15 years. Pattinson is in year w in 2022. Yall gotta let go of this cope.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/9/2025, 5:39 PM
@McMurdo - How do you know Creature Commandos isn't set in 2035?

The truth is none of know. So we're all just coping really.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/9/2025, 5:40 PM
@McMurdo - Also, it's vague about how long Phosphorus was a crime lord for. Batman could have taken him down last year.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 1/9/2025, 5:47 PM
@ObserverIO - we know Creature Commandos is present because it's soon after the Suicide Squad and because of Rick Flag. It's not set in 2035 bud.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 1/9/2025, 5:54 PM
@ObserverIO - sorry, The Batman takes place in 2019. Selina Kyle said her mom was murdered 15 years prior. Her mother’s headstone had 2004 as the year of death. Thomas and Martha Wayne were killed in 2001, and the riddler kills the mayor near the 18th anniversary of their murder. Also, 2019 is the most recent year where Halloween was on a Thursday.

You'd have to make DCU Pattman a completely separate Batman to make it work. It just ain't happening bud I'm sorry. And that's a good thing. We need comics Batman for the DCU.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/9/2025, 6:06 PM
@McMurdo - TSS isn't hard canon. In the DCU, the events of TSS could have happened in the early 2030s.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 1/9/2025, 6:08 PM
@ObserverIO - TSS is irrelevant. Creature Commandos is. And Reeves Batman takes place in 2019. So he became Batman in 2017. Yall are gonna be let down when casting rumors start.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/9/2025, 6:12 PM
@McMurdo - Also if The Batman actually takes place in 2019 that gives us even more distance between that Batman and DCU Batman. By the time TBATB comes out it'll probably actually be the 2030s irl. Battinson would have been around for well over a decade (if Year One was 2018). He could have a full bat-family and a whole set of fantastical villains and be the Batgod we all know and love, embarassed by the memory that he took so long to figure out the Riddler's riddles in his early years.
NonPlayerC
NonPlayerC - 1/9/2025, 6:13 PM
@McMurdo - I highly doubt Pattinson would be on board with a Batman movie with Damian in it. It has to have comedy to make having a 12 year old fight crime with him not seem strange and he seems like he wants to continue the serious tone the Batman had. But hell what do I know. I thought we had an article like 2 days ago say they will be seperate anyway. Are you saying they just post random things some crazy hobo says on the street here?
McMurdo
McMurdo - 1/9/2025, 6:15 PM
@ObserverIO - nope because Creature Commandos is current. It's modern time. So it's been well over a decade according to Phosphorus. Brave and the Bold coming out 18 years from now does not change the time-frame of when Phosphorus was jailed or when Reeves first film takes place.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/9/2025, 7:03 PM
@McMurdo - He says it's been 15 years since his transformation, but does he specify how long he's been in Belle Reve? It might have only been a year or so.

If CC takes place in the present day and not the near future that would mean that Phosphorus and his gang would have been around since before the start of The Batman. hmmm...

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ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/9/2025, 7:04 PM
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Webheaded225
Webheaded225 - 1/9/2025, 3:47 PM
He's gonna get the boot.

https://tenor.com/search/the-boot-gifs
THEKENDOMAN
THEKENDOMAN - 1/9/2025, 3:56 PM
Yep, he is definitely not directing this movie. It was a bad idea from the start, my thoughts were they should have got Ben Affleck to do it, but anyway let's see.

But Andy is not doing it, forget it.

Again this is the problem, Gunn can be contradictory, you haven't got a script and you go and get a director.

His big mouth.

For [frick]s Sake
Whoisholiday
Whoisholiday - 1/9/2025, 4:20 PM
@THEKENDOMAN - I believe this take is the real deal. And I don’t even mind Muschietti as a director. I don’t think he’s the right fit for Batman. And I think the audience told him he’s not the right fit for Flash/Batman. Regardless, tying him to another DC Tentpole film was a stupid choice at that point of the process. Also LOL that he hasn’t spoken to Gunn for a few years.
THEKENDOMAN
THEKENDOMAN - 1/9/2025, 5:51 PM
@Whoisholiday - You know what I mean👍🏿
Superspecialawesomeguy
Superspecialawesomeguy - 1/9/2025, 3:56 PM
Gunn to Muschietti whenever he brings up directing Batman:

YOU'LL GET YOUR BATMAN MOVIE WHEN YOU FIX THIS DAMN SCRIPT!

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THEKENDOMAN
THEKENDOMAN - 1/9/2025, 5:53 PM
@Superspecialawesomeguy - 😂
6of13
6of13 - 1/9/2025, 4:01 PM
I wonder what a Batman movie directed by Guillermo del Toro would look like.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/9/2025, 4:05 PM
@6of13 - gothic as hell…

The atmosphere would atleast be great and Killer Croc would be the baddie.
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