DC Studios Boss James Gunn Reveals Whether The DCU Has One Big Bad: "We're World-Building Not Story-Building"

DC Studios Boss James Gunn Reveals Whether The DCU Has One Big Bad: "We're World-Building Not Story-Building"

DC Studios co-CEO James Gunn has responded to theories about the DCU's "big bad," confirming that these movies and TV shows aren't necessarily building to a huge crossover event featuring a sole villain...

By JoshWilding - Dec 06, 2024 11:12 AM EST
Filed Under: DC Studios

What Marvel Studios has achieved with the MCU is nothing short of incredible. Rival studios have tried and failed to replicate that success (look at Universal's ill-fated Dark Universe) and moviegoers now expect every franchise to link up and build to...something

From day one, there's been speculation about who DC Studios will choose as the DCU's big bad. Darkseid is likely off the table after Zack Snyder's Justice League, but James Gunn must surely have plans for the team assembling for a battle with a seemingly unstoppable threat, right? 

Much has been said about that possibly being The Centre, a monstrous being first introduced in Darwyn Cooke's New Frontier.

However, the DC Studios boss has now confirmed that the DCU isn't setting out to tell one big story that leads to a final boss-type villain in a future crossover or event movie. 

"These are interconnected stories but people are always going to be [saying], 'Who's the big bad?' Are there big bads for connected films? Yes. But is this all about, 'Hey, I'm telling this one story about this big bad'? No," Gunn told Josh Horowitz. "This is about a connected universe. We're world-building. We're not story-building."

"We're not writing one story that has a beginning, middle, and end," the filmmaker continued. "We're creating a universe where people in which can go and join in and experience it. It is much more like Star Wars."

Some fans might be disappointed by these comments but is it really such a bad thing for the DCU to differentiate itself from the MCU in this way?

The Justice League is bound to assemble somewhere down the line and the villain they face doesn't necessarily need to have made their presence felt in countless other movies and TV shows beforehand. As for The Circle, we still expect that baddie to factor into Lanterns somehow. 

That worked with Thanos but not Kang the Conqueror; Avengers: Age of Ultron also did just fine introducing Ultron without him having been teased for two or three years beforehand (it's also no secret that Gunn wasn't the biggest fan of having to write Thanos into 2014's Guardians of the Galaxy). 

"The goal from the beginning was to give the honor that the great characters deserved; the Wonder Womans, Batmans, and Supermans," Gunn says of his DCU plans elsewhere in the interview. "But then also to prop up these lesser-known characters like Peacemaker, Booster Gold, and The Huntress."

You can watch the full interview with the filmmaker below. 

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PC04
PC04 - 12/6/2024, 11:36 AM
Anyone else really want to see a live action Metallo? I really liked him from the Animated Superman series. Why have we never gotten live action Metallo?
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 12/6/2024, 11:39 AM
@PC04 - They're too busy rebooting Batman.
Humperdink
Humperdink - 12/6/2024, 11:48 AM
@PC04 - Metallo is underrated. I'd love to see him and Parasite. Two Superman villains that could do well onscreen.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 12/6/2024, 11:49 AM
@PC04 - I do

Hope we have him as a villain in a Superman film soon!!

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TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 12/6/2024, 11:51 AM
@Humperdink - Parasite would rock too

I do hope we see something more akin to the Animated series one then the comics or other media I have seen…

That one just had more personality imo.

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lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/6/2024, 11:59 AM
@PC04 - Smallville had one .... and like all the other villains they attempted, it sucked.
PC04
PC04 - 12/6/2024, 12:26 PM
@lazlodaytona - Honestly I forgot Smallville existed. I see @Visionary25 up there did post some live action takes on Metallo that I wasn't actually aware of!

I should've specified in a FILM. Sorry all!
PC04
PC04 - 12/6/2024, 12:28 PM
@Humperdink - Parasite is another one I too have wanted to see! He can be very creepy and I think visually really interesting on screen.
The1st
The1st - 12/6/2024, 1:09 PM
@Humperdink - That would be a nice "street-level" Supes story too. Which I think this genre needs more of. The world doesn't have to be ending and the stakes ever higher just because we're no longer in the endgame now.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 12/6/2024, 8:43 PM
@KennKathleen - and that's a good thing.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 12/6/2024, 10:24 PM
@McMurdo - Not complaining. Just observing...
SDCA27
SDCA27 - 12/7/2024, 1:30 AM
@KennKathleen - I’d absooutely love to see John Corbin. But I’d also like to see every other major Superman villain that we haven’t had yet and I’m stoked that we are finally getting a real, dangerous, super genius Lex finally first. You have to establish lex early because he’s alway going to be around
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/9/2024, 8:16 AM
@PC04 - 100% correct on that one!
The Superboy TV series had a live action one too but the suit looked freaking ridiculous. The actual stories with him involved were actually quite good.
GiverOfInfo
GiverOfInfo - 12/6/2024, 11:40 AM
Great answer from Gunn as usual
DaHULK2000
DaHULK2000 - 12/6/2024, 6:57 PM
@GiverOfInfo - what?

To build the world..is to build the story, and vice versa lol...what has happened to critical thinking skills in this day and age?..It sad to watch a guy like this talk out both of his mouth, while supposedly intelligent individuals just eat out of the palm of a con-artist's hand...
SDCA27
SDCA27 - 12/7/2024, 1:32 AM
@DaHULK2000 - wow man you’re you have it all figured out. Somebody hire this guy.
Forthas
Forthas - 12/6/2024, 11:45 AM
So...if there is no "big bad" why would there be a need for anything like the Justice League to be formed? Even if one considers a group of villians like the Legion of Doom...they are collectively...a big bad!
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 12/6/2024, 11:51 AM
@Forthas - "But is this all about, 'Hey, I'm telling this 𝙊̲𝙉̲𝙀̲ story about this big bad'? No"
Shivermetimbers
Shivermetimbers - 12/6/2024, 11:51 AM
@Forthas - I took what he is saying to mean that there can be “big bads” that require team ups, but it doesn’t mean that every movie is building towards the one story involving the big bad.
Asterisk
Asterisk - 12/6/2024, 11:52 AM
@Forthas - he says in the interview there will be “big bads” for certain characters teaming up and stuff like the Justice League but what he’s saying is it isn’t all building up to the whole universe teaming up to fight one guy, ala Thanos, like it’s multiple storylines going on at once instead of one thing it’s heading toward
Humperdink
Humperdink - 12/6/2024, 11:58 AM
@Forthas -

So...if there is no "big bad" why would there be a need for anything like the Justice League to be formed?


He not saying there's no big bads to fight, he said there's no interconnected story revolving solely around ONE MAJORr big bad, like Thanos/Darkseid, where there's a beginning middle and end.

He's building the world so that it isn't reliant on an interconnected Big Bad storyline that sometimes gets shoehorned into solo films as a continuous set up.

The Justice League has plenty of villains to confront without having to focus only on a major "Darkseid-level" villain. It's best to focus on the individual stories for now imo.
Forthas
Forthas - 12/6/2024, 12:03 PM
@Humperdink
@Shivermetimbers
@Nightwing1015
@Asterisk

Well if he is trying to differentiate from Marvel, he is not doing a great job of convincing me. Age of Ultron, Winter Soldier, Civil War etc had elements of a broader story but for the most part they were team ups films that was largely independent of the Thanos story line. For example there is nothing about the Thanos story line that is related to Raganarok except at the very end in the post credit. Those films did stand alone, so he is claiming they (DC) will be doing something different when it is really the same thing.
Asterisk
Asterisk - 12/6/2024, 12:36 PM
@Forthas - it’s literally not the same thing. All those movies were serving the larger Avengers 3/4 build up. Establishing SHIELD breaking up, the Avengers splitting up, Tony’s PTSD that leads to Ultron, each movie has SOMETHING that contributes to that end goal
Asterisk
Asterisk - 12/6/2024, 12:48 PM
@Forthas - that’s the big reason Edgar Wright left Ant Man. Those movies HAD to serve the larger story and he wasn’t able to truly execute his vision
Forthas
Forthas - 12/6/2024, 1:13 PM
@Asterisk - All those things you listed...what does ANY of them have to do with Thanos?

Shield played no role in the Infinity War saga. It was only relevent to Captain America. The Avengers just came back together after Civil War. There was no real explanation to it either. It was a non factor. tony did not experience or even refrence PTSD by the time Thanos comes on the scene. Just becuase a scene or Easter egg hinted at a broader story does not mean the films themselves were trying to build to it when 99.9% of the scenes in those films had nothing to do with it.
Asterisk
Asterisk - 12/6/2024, 2:02 PM
@Forthas - I mean I don’t wanna argue or anything man I just disagree. All that stuff you just said imo sets up the story told in IW/Endgame. Tony’s PTSD is a big plot point in IW and SHIELD not being there affects the whole universe not just Cap I just feel like that’s really obvious
McMurdo
McMurdo - 12/6/2024, 8:46 PM
@Asterisk - it is. He hates Gunn so your points were always going to be irrelevant to him.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 12/6/2024, 10:32 PM
@Humperdink - Watching the Justice Leauge communicate as a team, while dealing with several moderate to high threats, could actually be an awesome canvas for current & future storytelling.

Imagine seeing Barry dealing with Captain Cold in his city, while Bruce is looking into a human/bat spliced DNA in Gotham, while Clark provides nutrition to an unknown planet next to Saturn.... I can see that working.
SDCA27
SDCA27 - 12/7/2024, 1:52 AM
@McMurdo - lol ever hear the Minor Threat song Screaming at a Wall? I’m so tired of this crap. There was no Star Wars for close to 20 years when I was kid after Jedi. Super her movies were barely doable and the rate one that would be released was usually bad. We
Have a dude who knows his shit and gives a shit about the characters who’s a proven film maker and that dude can write like a MF and people can’t just be stoked and hang
Tight to see what we get? It’s so gross. Anyone under like 35 who’s running their mouth off, must be nice to have the luxury to have multiple connected dc film runs lmao. We have a guy who just wanted to write a creature commandos show for the hell if it,
Got this gig and was like “he can I get cash to make this and put it out on a steaming service” because he just
Wanted to give use something fun while he’s getting his first
Movies together. Yeah what
Terrible person lol. These people are f*ing Dipsh*ts man. Snyderverse had a run. Some of it was bad some was good. There’s a ton of room for improvement. There’s tons of room for improvement in the MCU as well. And we’re getting at least a soft reboot after
Secret
Wars per the f*ing secret wars story. Matt reeves decided to go with a grounded Batman again. Was the dark knight good, hell yeah but can a ground d Batman movie run improve on what Nolan did? Of course it can and it arguable already did. It’s a good time to be alone. Sit back and enjoy the ride and these toxic haters who don’t really know their a** from their elbows as far as comic history a lot of the time at least wait till you see the f’ing movie before you run your moth off maybe
SDCA27
SDCA27 - 12/7/2024, 1:55 AM
@SDCA27 - sorry about all
The typos. My phone scree hates this website lol. Main one is what a time to be alive not alone lmao
SDCA27
SDCA27 - 12/7/2024, 1:58 AM
@KennKathleen - yeah I mean that’s what I was saying in another comment. That’s certainly a large part of how they operate.
SDCA27
SDCA27 - 12/7/2024, 1:59 AM
@SDCA27 - they’re not the Xmen
McMurdo
McMurdo - 12/7/2024, 2:18 PM
@SDCA27 - I'm hearing from trusted folks I typically agree with that episode 4 is brilliant. Like up there with some really high tier tv content like Daredevil.

Creature Commandos is great IMO because of the focus on characterization. The Bride and Frankenstein stuff with Victor was fantastic. I like that Rick Flag didn't just immediately want to bone the hot princess (who I believe is actually Clayface but I could be wrong).

These naysayers hate James Gunn because they are Feige Warriors who are salty Gunn made Guardians 3, the best MCU film in recent memory, and then abandoned them to go make DC stuff. Then you have Snyderverse people who are salty Man of Steel wasn't more successful etc.

I have zero doubt that Superman is going to be great and I cannot wait.
ProfessorXX
ProfessorXX - 12/7/2024, 8:25 PM
@Nightwing1015 - That one just had more personality imo.
Shivermetimbers
Shivermetimbers - 12/6/2024, 11:50 AM
I love this approach. The fall off after Endgame is a perfect example of how the story building approach Marvel took is not sustainable. Have a connected world and the ability for crossovers and team ups, but don’t force every movie or show to build toward something.
Arthorious
Arthorious - 12/6/2024, 4:24 PM
@Shivermetimbers - I guess they can treat it like BTAS and Superman TAS. Both were in the same universe with a few crossovers but didn't necessarily jump straight to the justice league after one or two seasons.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 12/6/2024, 8:47 PM
@Arthorious - the DCU sounds like just that. Or a live action DCAU. Which is dope.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 12/6/2024, 11:50 AM

Unless they get rid of MooseSh!tty, the next agenda item will be fixing Batman after Brave & Bold is ruined.

Pampero
Pampero - 12/6/2024, 11:52 AM
The great villain of the DCU is none other than James Gunn himself.
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 12/6/2024, 12:59 PM
@Pampero - I thought biggest villain of the DCU was the DCEU fans.
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