DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE: Shawn Levy And Ryan Reynolds On Why We Didn't Get To See The Death Of The X-Men

DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE: Shawn Levy And Ryan Reynolds On Why We Didn't Get To See The Death Of The X-Men

Deadpool & Wolverine director Shawn Levy and star Ryan Reynolds talk in detail about why they decided against showing the death of the X-Men and what Logan did next. Find their comments in full here...

By JoshWilding - Aug 06, 2024 04:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Deadpool & Wolverine
Source: Collider

It was fairly obvious from Deadpool & Wolverine's trailers that the X-Men were dead in Logan's reality and, with rumours swirling about the team appearing, many of us hoped to see an Old Man Logan-style death scene. 

Ultimately, we didn't get that and the X-Men were nowhere to be seen (likely meaning their return is being saved for Avengers: Doomsday and/or Avengers: Secret Wars).

Talking to Collider, Deadpool & Wolverine director Shawn Levy confirmed showing the team's demise rather than just telling us about it was a possibility. "Yeah, we talked about it," he said. "We ended up doing it with a soundscape and with sound design. We did talk about it."

"But ultimately, it felt like the specifics of those characters' deaths don't matter to this story as much as the way they haunt Logan. And so we chose to keep the focus on him."

Star Ryan Reynolds, who also helped write the movie, added: "It's a little bit what you don't see is more haunting than what you do see. Maybe I'm wrong, Shawn. And I felt like it would cheapen it if you're seeing, you know, all these people, these kids, these grown-ups. The biggest win, I think, for us with the Wolverine character was two things."

He'd go on to say, "Now, I love that we kind of use the suit as a hair shirt, you know, as a kind of penance that he's wearing this thing that is like a, you know, a punishment that covers this body."

Reynolds also revealed that Logan losing control and murdering the people he mentions was an idea rooted in the comics. "Really kind of scratching that itch of Wolverine, you know, like the idea that the Berserker rage takes over, he kills and he can be to a certain degree, indiscriminate about that killing. And that is a big part of the shame," the actor explained.

"Touching on some of that Berserker rage, which is genuinely in the canon of Wolverine and the comics, and getting to sort of acknowledge that he didn't just kill the bad people when he lost it... is pretty damn powerful and not necessarily something you want to see. You want to feel it."

As interesting as it might have been to see the death of the X-Men - and exactly what Wolverine did to disgrace himself and the team's legacy - Levy and Reynolds are right that not showing it was ultimately far more powerful.

The way Hugh Jackman plays those emotional scenes is ultimately going to leave a lasting impression; a gory 60-second sequence, however, might just fade into the background in a movie so full of action. 

Deadpool & Wolverine is now playing in theaters. 

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asherman93
asherman93 - 8/6/2024, 4:17 PM
I mean, hell, this was probably a similar reason for why we didn't see it in Logan either.

Well, that, and it would probably make the budget balloon.

Still, I think it worked here.
DianaGohan
DianaGohan - 8/6/2024, 7:38 PM
@asherman93 - No sorry the fact we DIDN'T see it in Logan and then didn't here feels cheap especially since this is a Wolverine we don't really know so we NEEDED more grounding agents then in Logan especially since they literally had the perfect opportunity to show it when Nova was in Howlett's mind.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 8/7/2024, 5:55 AM
@asherman93 - It may have but the important aspect is how it has impacted Logan, showing how terrible it could have turned too many off on the character to the point of unredeemable or been subpar for others to the point of others going is that all, no big deal and would cost a lot budget and time wise to do justice to.

I kinda think along the lines of Eccleston talking about the time war in season one of Dr Who, no way you could afford the time and money to show all that but the acting skills showing the weight on the characters very soul told you all you needed to know at that point.
LSHF
LSHF - 8/6/2024, 4:28 PM
Cool. I didn't want to see them die, anyway.
Kadara
Kadara - 8/6/2024, 10:51 PM
@clintthahamster - The finger thing means [money]! Lol God classic Simpsons was good.
LeBronStan
LeBronStan - 8/6/2024, 4:31 PM
Didn't need to see it, but Wolverine should've been the one to kill the X-men.
Dabs
Dabs - 8/6/2024, 6:11 PM
@LeBronStan - why, exactly?
Kadara
Kadara - 8/6/2024, 10:52 PM
@LeBronStan - I honestly thought that's why they kept calling him the worst Wolverine. Turns out he was just a bit late, can't really blame him for that.
kg8817
kg8817 - 8/6/2024, 10:58 PM
@Kadara - Ryan Reynolds himself - in this very article - specifically talks about him not just being “a little late”. He spells it out for you. Then the movie says it for you. And you still missed it.

He wasn’t late. He got revenge, and “not just on the bad ones”. He murdered innocent people, even women and children, and turned the world against the X-Men tarnishing their name.
HeraldNumber7
HeraldNumber7 - 8/6/2024, 4:36 PM
"As interesting as it might have been to see the death of the X-Men - and exactly what Wolverine did to disgrace himself and the team's legacy - Levy and Reynolds are right that not showing it was ultimately far more powerful.

disagree. 'show don't tell' is a cornerstone of filmmaking, if not the basis of the medium.

maybe they could have been more expressionist in how they depicted it, but i think they should have shown us something from that moment.
HeraldNumber7
HeraldNumber7 - 8/6/2024, 4:37 PM
@HeraldNumber7 -

*impressionist
AC1
AC1 - 8/6/2024, 5:13 PM
@HeraldNumber7 - "show don't tell" may be a cornerstone of the medium but there are exceptions to that rule, usually in regards to things that are meant to be horrific to the audience - it's why movies like Jaws are more effective when you see less of the shark, Alien is more effective when you see less of the Alien, etc. Sometimes less is more, and leaving it to the audience's imagination to fill in the gaps is more effective than anything a filmmaker could come up with because the viewer's mind is free to wander to whatever scary or tragic extreme it can think of.
AC1
AC1 - 8/6/2024, 5:15 PM
@HeraldNumber7 - however I do agree they could've shown brief snippets of it interspersed among the sequence of Logan being forced to relive what happened in an impressionistic way like you said; using an example from elsewhere in the X-Men movies, I'd say kinda like how we got very brief flashbacks of the Weapon X program experimenting on Logan in X2, and how that was way more engaging and horrific than the full version seen in X-Men Origins: Wolverine.
HeraldNumber7
HeraldNumber7 - 8/6/2024, 5:28 PM
@AC1 -

i get that from a purely visual standpoint but not a narrative one. though, as you said, there are certainly exceptions.
HeraldNumber7
HeraldNumber7 - 8/6/2024, 5:34 PM
@AC1 -

true true. my gripe is just based on the fact that this is a Logan we don't truly know. for expediency, the film depends on the audience's existing knowledge of the character to connect with him. it might have achieved that but i think it could have been stroner with some more heft to his backstory.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 8/6/2024, 4:42 PM
That makes sense to me…

I know some say that it’s usually best to show and not tell in a visual medium such as film (which I tend to usually agree with) but sometimes the latter can work , especially if you have a strong enough performer such as Hugh Jackman.

His haunted & emotional performance might stick with you more than seeing characters or atleast versions of them you don’t have a connection to be slaughtered in a brief sequence.

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Also , getting all those actors back for such a quick moment would have been expensive and unnecessary.
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 8/6/2024, 5:00 PM
I'm sorry but this shit hardly makes this version "the worst Wolverine ever".

What happened in Old Man Logan was grim af.

McNiven killed it or...well, Logan did.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 8/7/2024, 4:07 AM
@Doomsday8888 - OldMan Logan is dope, but that Logan killed the X-Men because Mysterio manipulated him. The Logan in D&W had no such excuse.
Moriakum
Moriakum - 8/6/2024, 5:05 PM
How many Deadpool & Wolverine articles will we continue to have?

CBM:
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comicfan100
comicfan100 - 8/6/2024, 5:17 PM
I would've been fine with suit actors with their faces obscured, but they would've been called cheap for not getting the actual actors
TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 8/6/2024, 5:59 PM
Really hoping to get a proper article about what each cast member of Deadpool likes to drink on a Friday after work. I just can't get enough of these Deadpool articles.
RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 8/6/2024, 6:16 PM
Sometimes they make Wolverine a little too invincible and unstoppable, I think.
S8R8M
S8R8M - 8/6/2024, 6:24 PM
Sometimes less is more
hue66
hue66 - 8/6/2024, 8:58 PM
Disagree. The impact would have been greater if they showed it and would be a part of wolverines story. Why he feels as bad as he does.
SuperSpiderMan5
SuperSpiderMan5 - 8/7/2024, 9:06 AM
I disagree with their choice wholeheartedly. This would've been a great add. To see the death of the original X-Men cast finally in their comic accurate outfits and Wolverine going berserker barrage on the ones that killed the only family he had and innocent humans would've been epic, shocking, great drama and would've made the movie that much greater seeing this side of Wolverine we've never seen. I think it was a huge missed opportunity but still a great movie.
WeaponXCII
WeaponXCII - 8/14/2024, 7:33 PM
I have to agree with one or two of the other commenters here: "show, don't tell" is one of the foundations of writing. Although maybe another commenter is correct, and it is more effective to allow the viewer to fill in the gaps.

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