Why Nolan is a gift and a curse

Is Nolan a gift or curse to hollywood?

Editorial Opinion
By bubs - Jun 27, 2012 08:06 PM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic
Source: Darnell Thames

Ever since Chris Nolan was given the Batman Franchise in 2005 he has everyone follwing his lead in hollywood. I often hear too many times directors and actors citing the The Dark Knight and Nolan as inspriartion for action films and comic book movies using the infamous code word: Realism.

Some would argue this is needed espcially after the hot turd with a side batter dipped moose balls that was Batman and Robin. Ever since Nolan hit barry bonds on sterids type homeruns with Batman Begins and The Dark Knight...Movies in general not just comic book movies have really shyed away from fantasical elements. Case in point..My favorite video game Mortal Kombat and TMNT are once again being considered for big screen enjoyment. But when i read some of the stuff these people are talking about doing its really effs with me.

Mortal Kombat was a ripoff of Enter The Dragon and was turned into in my opinion one of the best mythologies in comics or video games. The over the top violence, super powered warriors, Gods, demons, Badass Ninjas. I was hooked. When the first MK movie came out I remember being in the theater and people giving it a standing ovation especially when Shao Khan burst out of the temple. MK 2 was half assed but it still felt like Mortal Kombat. But Then i saw the youtube short and the webseries and i was intrigued by them grounding it a little bit but still keeping the things i loved from the games and first movie. But then I saw the new synopis and i read them talking about realism and i shook my head..

Another case is TMNT. if there is any movie screaming to be grounded in reality its TMNT right? I mean its 4 mutant turtle brothers who are trained martial arts masters who have a rat as their father, a hot white chick as thier friend, a psycho in a hockey mask who carries a ball bat and helps them beat the crap out of a ninja clan called The Foot, and Thier arch enemy is a disguntled heart broken Ninja Assassin who calls Himself shredder.. And lets not forget a mutant fly, rhino, warthog, and a talking brain like alien..Yes lets make this like it could really happen!

Where am i going with this u ask..

This all goes back to Nolan and his treatment of Batman. You see his footprints everywhere even in a marvel movie The Amazing Spiderman. Do some movies need to be realistic? Sure... Judge Dredd is a great example of realism used the right way... Batman's realism is perfect.. But as much as love Nolans BAtman series I as a Batman fan feel like theres still something missing.. would we ever see great bat villians like Black Mask, The Count of Owls, The Riddler, Killer Croc, Clayface, Dollmaker, Harley Quinn in nolans films? What about Robin, Nightwing, Or The Red Hood. As much as I love nolan I want to see all the chactaers given love on the screen and not watered down to make us belive this can actually happen. Cause IT CANT!!!

Thats why im still skeptical about him prodcuing Supes..

The fun part about cinema is the fact that its not real. None of these things we seee in movies could ever happen. Take any Seth Rogan film...Does one really think its realistic that a guy who looks like that could end up with Katherine Heigel, Elizibeth Banks or Cameron Diaz? HELL NO!!! But thats why i love those films cause we live out dreams and fantasies through our favorite characters on screen. When Hollywodd takes itself too seriously thats when they lose the common person.

Thats why The Avengers was a sucess in my eyes. It was a pure unadulterated, unapologetic COMIC BOOK MOVIE!! Was it campy at times, yes. Was it serious at times yes. But the most important aspect of The avengers was IT WAS DAMN GOOD FUN!!! and im a DC guy, but I laughed and even though the story as predictable and you pretty much knew the ending, you rooted for these characters to take down loki..The only time ive ever rooted liked that was when i watch a sprting event.

Thats what i feel like nolan is doing to not only Batman but what his influence is doing to all movies, taking the escapism and Most Importantly the FUN out of seeing our heroes on screen.. I loved The Dark Knght and BB cause he nailed batman and all his characteristics to a tee, and the casting is remarkable Gary Oldman as Jim Gordon best castiing decision since Chris Reeves as Supes and both had way better stories and im a story man first..but it hurts me to say this..I had more fun watching The Avengers cause it didnt have its head up its ass at times and didnt try to preach as overly pretentious message. It was just plain old fun to watch..

Thats what a movie is supposed to do make us forget our sucky lives for awhile and have fun. I love Batman rising up to lead gotham to a betteer day.. But i also want to see him beat the crap out of some supervillans!!

Thats why I say this is the curse of Nolan. Hollywood is a copycat city.. as long as nolan keeps knocking out batfilms and his own films out the park hollywood would follow his lead and im partally a nolanite cause he made oy favorite hero cool again..

But to those who say realism over fantasy ask yoursel this....

Would The Avengers be as great if Nolan dirceted? Would the Wizard of OZ or the First Superman movie be as great if it was grounded in realism??

All im truly saying is instead of people taking cues from Nolan, take a cue from The Avengers..its great that our hereo are taken seroius and action is taken serious but dont forget the one rerson why we go to see a movie...FUN!

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Zarog
Zarog - 6/27/2012, 8:45 PM
Totally agree dude. Just might want to check your grammar next time.
rockerdude22
rockerdude22 - 6/27/2012, 8:54 PM
I like Nolan and his movies, but I agree with some of the stuff you said. What's the reason we go to the movies in the first place? To have fun! Be entertained! Escape from the real world for a couple of hours! This whole realism thing really destroys all of that. Is it okay in some respects? Of course! But for all movies to be like that? No thanks. We need fantastical escapism in movies. That's one of the things that makes going to the cinema special!
RidiculousFanBoyDemands
RidiculousFanBoyDemands - 6/27/2012, 9:37 PM
I think realism is an awesome juxtaposition when done right. However, not all comic book movies should be shot that way.
breakUbatman
breakUbatman - 6/27/2012, 11:08 PM
I have to disagree realism is needed in certain movies in order to allow for escapism.

Just look at Lord of The Rings Trilogy, everything looks "real" as opposed to over the top fantasy. The Orcs are more realistic than let's say the creatures in I Am Legend.

Christopher Nolan simply applied solid ideas to a genre that had a fixed mindset about itself. Batman Begins may not have been a critical masterpiece but it showed us that reboots could work and tread new ground. TDK proved to be an exceptional sequel that broke out of it's genre.

The mistake studios and filmakers make, is that they assume that the success of Nolan's films is based on the grounded aspect as opposed to the storytelling. Comic book movies need diversity just like the comics, Thor must be as much a fantasy movie as it is a Superhero. Green Lantern failed because it tried to be a Superhero movie only even though the whole Galaxy was at its disposal.

As for Batman's Rogues gallery Nolan could have made them work in his world if he wanted to (remember the Tessla machine in the Prestige, very grounded movie even with that device), it's just a question of what story do you tell after all Killer Croc is a guy with a skin condition, what compelling feature length story do you tell? Spider-man has the convenience of having a lot of his villains tied to him on a personal level.

TDK saga brought in villains to attack mind, body and soul. Nolan made me like the Scarecrow and he has brought my top 3 villains to the big screen: Joker, Two-Face and Bane.

Basically all CBM characters have to be watered down to some extent so you can buy into the fantasy. The Flash gaining his powers through chemicals and lightning is more plausible than heavy water vapors but at the end of the day both are ludicrous.
batfan175
batfan175 - 6/28/2012, 1:38 AM
i don't understand. if someone is successful it's obvious that other people want to emulate that succes and they did it with Hitchcock, they did it with Kubrick, they even did it with spielberg and he's not dead yeat (remember "super 8"?). It's just a fact that people without original ideas are going to include whatever the'yve been told is successful.

Not sure if I completely agree with you on the Avengers the Avengers, if you take away the funny costules, is a typical alien-invasion film that justifies the destruction of an entire race by nuking them; now tell me that that's not a coincidence when US politicians are considering doing the same thing to Iran...it's a propaganda film dressing up as a superhero comicbook movie.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 6/28/2012, 3:11 AM
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95 - 6/28/2012, 7:55 AM
He makes good films. Other directors want the same success he's garnered. Nolan can do Sci-Fi. Give him a script! Warner Bros. wanted this Batman trilogy to be grounded. That's what they wanted.
justified1
justified1 - 6/28/2012, 8:02 AM
I bet if Nolan really wanted to we could have had a "nolanized" version of Black Mask, Riddler, and Harley Quinn.
golden123
golden123 - 6/28/2012, 8:53 AM
It's funny that you bring up "Wizard of Oz". The decision that, in the end, it would all be a dream was thought of by the film makers. The film makers thought some people wouldn't be able to buy the idea that a tornado moved the house to another world, so they changed the script, from what the book said, to ground the film with realism.
GoILL
GoILL - 6/28/2012, 8:53 AM
Some would argue this is needed espcially after the hot turd with a side batter dipped moose balls that was Batman and Robin

This made me LOL.
ralfinader
ralfinader - 6/28/2012, 10:59 AM
I think Blade and the Crow offered gritty takes on comicbook material (though neither of them featured realistic charactors for the most part), but Blade and Crow aren't Batman. The one-two punch of Nolan and Batman was what caught the world's eye with Batman Begins, and the rest is history.

If Nolan is influencing directors, that is not a bad thing, it just doesn't say much for a director that can't plot their own course. I do not think to many directors have the balls Nolan had to try and take a charactor so far from the world established in the comics, yet alone to make it successfully like he did. I myself am more of a fan of the science fiction and fantasy aspects of comicbook charactors, so movies like The Avengers and even Tim Burton's first Batman will always appeal more strongly to me. But like comics, Nolan's Batman movies have been alot like an ElseWorlds graphic novel, and I like that too. I just wouldn't want that tone in every CBM and do not think Nolan's style would work for but a handful of superheroes (Batman, Punisher, DareDevil, street level types).
ThunderKat
ThunderKat - 6/28/2012, 5:18 PM
What happened to the editorial staff? The stuff we're seeing in editorials, in particular, is painful to read. Grammar, spelling, and overall paragraph/essay construction is out the window.
Coldblood6
Coldblood6 - 6/29/2012, 11:09 AM
Excellent article.

Nolan's a curse on the CBM genre, nothing more. Actually he was but I think MARVEL has rescued the genre with the success of THE AVENGERS.

I for one cannot wait for him to leave this genre behind. He cannot do action; at all, and he doesn't understand fantasy. His movies are vastly overrated. There is intelligence insulting nonsense in his movies that are just as bad as some of the worst movies in history, but the difference in tone fools people into believing they are seeing something serious and even profound.

I'm actually worried wrt his involvement in MOS, but I have faith in Zack Snyder to overwhelm the mundanising effect of nolan.

And if nolan had done THE AVENGERS it would have been the lamest thing ever:
IRON MAN - a guy with lots of metal implants from orthopaedic injuries
HULK - a linebacker from the Green Bay Packers that tends to lose his temper
THOR - a Norweigian construction worker with a big sledgehammer
CAPTAIN AMERICA - an obnoxiously patriotic army guy
BLACK WIDOW - a black woman whose husband died

BLLEEEECCHH!
wedontdie
wedontdie - 6/30/2012, 12:40 PM
@battlinemurdock I feel like some of the scenes from the dark knight were taken from a few Jackie Chan films that I have seen on netflix.
wedontdie
wedontdie - 6/30/2012, 12:54 PM
I never really liked Nolan's films. Yeah they might be good for films, but they are very boring. I would get inspiration from Steven Spielberg for action films with realism before I look to Nolan for inspiration. He even made Peter Pan feel real in the film Hook.
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