EDITORIAL: My Opinion on the Green Lantern Costume

EDITORIAL: My Opinion on the Green Lantern Costume

An in-depth editorial on, in my opinion, is a result of a poor design choice for the costume used in the film.

Editorial Opinion
By Xenix - Apr 03, 2011 09:04 AM EST
Filed Under: Green Lantern
Source: ComicBookMovie.com

As many of you know, I have been critical of the recent Green Lantern footage. This has had a mixed reaction. Some people have agreed with me. Some people disagree with me, but respect my opinion. Others call me a troll, and one person told me to 'go kill myself', simply because he thought the footage was good, and I had a different opinion. This is to set the record straight, and give an in-depth look as to why I don't think the costume looks good on film.


The issue is not the quality of the CGI per se, it's mostly the way the CGI is used.



Take, for instance, this picture. Notice that the logo emenates light outward from it, as if the light source were coming from inside of Hal's body, or as if a lamp were constantly pointed in his direction. This creates a very, very odd lighting effect, in which it interacts with the rest of the costume. Since the rest of the costume is CGI, and already has lighting applied to it to match the rest of the scene, it results in a large portion of his chest being lit up very oddly, in a very bright shade of green, which is at odds with the rest of the green in the costume. This is because, from a lighting standpoint, the lighting of the Corps symbol creates a random lighting effect in a dark environment, contrasting with the other lighting effects already present.

And this is when the ring isn't used.

You see, when Hal uses the ring to charge up, or create a construct, all the lines on his costume light up. Remember that unique lighting issue from earlier? Well, having the lines light up in that manner causes that strange lighting effect to cover the entire green portion of Hal's costume, making the entire costume a very, very neon shade of green.

Don't believe me? See for yourself!

Not-lit up:


Lit up:


A very noticable difference, in lighting and color, causing the lit-up version of the suit to seem like lesser-quality CGI, when it is actually just used in a manner that causes it to appear so. Also note, that the 'lit up' picture appears to be in the same scene as the first picture in this article, or at the very least the same location.

Also, from what I've heard, Hal is a novice at using the ring, hence the presence of the lines. It also seems, from the footage,that this results in energy constantly leaking out of Hal when he moves, which is very clear in the trailers for the film we've seen so far. Let's compare him, to, for instance, Sinestro flying.

Sinestro:



Notice how Sinestro leaves a light trail behind him, but a small one.

Hal:


Since Hal's energy is leaking, this causes another effect to take place. Between this new effect, and the strage lighting effects already present, it makes Reynolds look like a giant flame. Symbolic, yes, but incredibly distracting while in motion. It creates a constant afterimage. When Hal moves, the light follows him, and looks, in my opinion, rather messy.



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Dynamo
Dynamo - 4/3/2011, 9:38 AM
@Darkmatter

Practical effects? How so? You mean just an actual costume?
Dynamo
Dynamo - 4/3/2011, 9:43 AM
@Darkmatter
Did you just call me Shaman?
So your only problem is the CGI costume? What other practical effects could they use?

Oh and I think Reynolds can act. He did very well in Buried and in The Nines.
Dynamo
Dynamo - 4/3/2011, 9:47 AM
@Darkmatter
What other aliens would use make up? I mean they don't seem to be in it for long. Why would they? Personally I think the aliens look better than the beasts in Jotunheim. Oa is way too fantasical to build sets for.
CBK
CBK - 4/3/2011, 9:50 AM
@Xenix Do you read GL comics? If so, for how long? Not trying to show anyone up, simply wondering because your reasons kind of coincide with stuff taken directly from the comics, like the light trail for instance.

@Darkmatter So what if the costume looks fake? It's NOT supposed to look like cloth, or any other material for that matter, it's supposed to look like ENERGY, an intangible, unwavering force. I also pose the same question to you: Do you read GL comics? If so, for how long?
Dynamo
Dynamo - 4/3/2011, 9:52 AM
@Darkmatter
I don't know what movie you watched, but Buried was definatly not like that. He seems to be saying the Oath with enough conviction too.
Dynamo
Dynamo - 4/3/2011, 9:58 AM
@Darkmatter
The huge monster at the end, even in the latest TV spots it looks really cartoony.

There were one or two from what I could see, the others were very fantastical. And what would be the point anyway? They're minor characters, why would they blow more money on motion capture for people in the background? More difficult suits to render. Having them CGI makes them look even more alien.

And yeah I think that crystal design is the most unrenderable of all the places practically. It had moving and shifting parts to it, it wasn't completely solid. And judging by the reaction so far, yeah they have "WOWed" people.
Anthrax
Anthrax - 4/3/2011, 10:07 AM
this movie will fail suck it mother[frick]ers shitty cgi shitty actors except reynolds and strong and parralx is a [frick]ing cloud.
Dynamo
Dynamo - 4/3/2011, 10:07 AM
@Xenix this is a fair editorial. I understand your concerns with the suit, even if you are in the minority. I personally think it looks great but that's just me. Things that I should like to state; the scenes you're pointing out are fight scenes when he's floating and fighting. Exuding energy, there would be a trail. It's not like in the scenes with Tomar-Re he's leaving trails behind.
Also I would like to state just because you don't like the suit for a movie doesn't mean it's going to be bad. I think Thor should be wearing his helmet in the movie and I don't like the fact that he wears leather pants. But I still think it looks epic.
Dynamo
Dynamo - 4/3/2011, 10:11 AM
@Darkmatter
Okay, I know all that. What's your point? I don't think any of those sets are as complicated as the concepts in GL. I don't think it's just fanboys that are geeking out. On all the film sites people have claimed that this has won them over. Visit the Slashfilm comment section, Aint It Cool News. Visit the Youtube comment sections. Hell I got more likes for the trailer on the FB page than Captain America. It's been trending on Twitter. It's not just fanboys.

Dynamo
Dynamo - 4/3/2011, 10:12 AM
@Xenix
I'd argue that the puffy-ness of Cap's costume is kind of a distraction. Or the busy-ness of Batman's costume. It doesn't mean they're bad movies though.

Personally i think the green energy is pretty cool, it makes it feel like the suit is alive. It makes it original. I certainly don't want a rubber or spandex outfit anymore.
CBK
CBK - 4/3/2011, 10:15 AM
@Darkmatter If you've been reading GL for so long, then you should ALSO know that even though the costume appears as cloth, everytime Hal recharges, it reforms to it's untattered state.

I guess it's just the way certain things were translated from the page that pisses people off, which is understandable, but look at it this way: Would you rather have Jack Black picking up bad guys with condoms? Years ago, this movie on this scale would not have been possible, but now that it is, aren't we all glad that were at least getting a CBM that sticks closer to the comics than nearly any CBM before it?
xBlaze96x
xBlaze96x - 4/3/2011, 10:20 AM
Honestly I Have Heard None of my friends talking about Thor or Cap but i have heard them talking about Green Lantern and they aren't even fans of comic books.

How Are They Supposed To Make Oa with Set peices...i mean yes they could have use some but I don't that people are that picky about a movie it isn't like they are gonna be nitpicking at every little thing...they are gonna be interested in whats going on in the movie.

The Costume Looks good...i mean some of the lighting is weird...but Hal looks good...The scenes that you are using as examples are action scenes and he is fighting...when he is in the Oa scenes the mask even lights up and bit but that is because the ring is in use.

I do see some of your points but in someways i don't agree..but i mean wait until the movie comes out and people actually talk about..then you can have a reason to talk about how the CGI doesn't look perfect i mean they do have 2 months left and they have a whole bunch of FX companies working on it. I mean they could pull through....but im just saying not trying to start a arguement or anything
xBlaze96x
xBlaze96x - 4/3/2011, 10:27 AM
@Xenix
I can see what you mean and i understand what you are saying...but i mean you never know what they could do....they might make the suit better or they might not...either way i'm still happy with it. I really don't find it distarcting...i don't find cap's costume distracting or thor's ..nor batman. But if it is distracting to you then it is i really can't do anything about that.
albieg25
albieg25 - 4/3/2011, 10:29 AM
To be honest, when i first saw hal costume i hated the enegry lines, but looking at it more and understanding why they did what they did i liked it alot more, and im gonna save my final judgement for the end of the film where im going to notice the change in his experience and powers
xBlaze96x
xBlaze96x - 4/3/2011, 10:31 AM
But This Costume is still a improvement over the one that was on the cover of Entertainment Weekly.
CBK
CBK - 4/3/2011, 10:32 AM
@Darkmatter Really? People don't like the footage on those other sites? I just read Slashfilms post and comments, and it was received excellently. As for AICN, well you tell me:
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/49121
CBK
CBK - 4/3/2011, 10:35 AM
As for the energy lines, check this out:

It's supposed to look like a second skin, and the recent Collider interview with Donald De Line has him saying that when Hal gets to Oa, they scan his body because they don't know human anatomy and then the ring creates a costume, and I'm sure thats the weird lines we see in the mask when he gets there, it sort of looks like the laser from a laser printer.
Dynamo
Dynamo - 4/3/2011, 10:36 AM
@Darkmatter
All you stated was that Thor used practical sets and GL didn't, despite ignoring the fact that they're very different sets. We're not talking about a thrown room or a golden hallway or even a floor made of ice. We're talking about Vast Canyons with energy flowing into it and covered with alien beings, lit with a purple sky. That requires CGI. It's funny how you mention how they lit the bifrost bridge (we've seen 20 seconds of footage from that btw), how do you know that's not how they lit the crystal room with Tomar-Re?

Although there are some comments of protest on those sites, the reactions have been mostly postive. Ironically on the same sites they considered First Class to look better than Thor or Cap (they both found those cheesy). Particualarly WITH the design of Oa, which was considered the best part. It's funny how you mention the backflip in the Hector Hammond fight, because that was done with practical effects and... oh yeah have nothing to do with the set design. Try not to moot your points and please do not patronise me again.
albieg25
albieg25 - 4/3/2011, 10:36 AM
^ @ Darkmatter GET EM' lol im not agreeing with you, but you sure did rip him a new asshole
CBK
CBK - 4/3/2011, 10:39 AM
@Darkmatter, but overall the naysayers are hugely outnumbered.
Moron
Moron - 4/3/2011, 10:45 AM
All i care about is if it looks like it did in the recent poster when finished!!
CBK
CBK - 4/3/2011, 10:45 AM
@Darkmatter So his costume isn't made of energy huh? You're such a lame brain....
CBK
CBK - 4/3/2011, 10:47 AM
@Darkmatter Go read some GL before you come on here and mock me, you [frick]ing with professionals and rookies get beat!
Moron
Moron - 4/3/2011, 10:49 AM
Anyway if the suit ruins the movie for you you have problems!!!
Ethic
Ethic - 4/3/2011, 10:50 AM
I was actually thinking recently that the costume might evolve and change as he gets more experienced.
So by the end of the film, (with more control over his powers) the suit would clean up a bit and look a little closer to the comic suit.
Dynamo
Dynamo - 4/3/2011, 10:50 AM
@Darkmatter
I only insulted your intelligence after you patronised me, so fair enough.

Also 50/50? I'd say more than that. But if you say so. I'd still suggest you visit those sites comment section on both Cap and Thor. They're about the same as GL. They're not much different reception wise bro. I'm not saying GL is going to be better than those movies, but it's had the biggest turn around I've ever seen a movie have.
ghostpool
ghostpool - 4/3/2011, 10:52 AM
The lighting of the suit is actually off a shade its supposed to be an evergreen shade....and the actual lantern is an inch too tall. And reynolds should cut his hair a little shorter cuz Hal's isnt that long.
ThreeBigTacos
ThreeBigTacos - 4/3/2011, 10:55 AM
Xenix: Please go back and add to this article because I would really like to see some pointers on how lame Parallax looks lol
Dynamo
Dynamo - 4/3/2011, 10:57 AM
@ThreeBigTacos
I'm actually interested. What did you find wrong with Parallax?
ThreeBigTacos
ThreeBigTacos - 4/3/2011, 11:03 AM
@Dynamo: He just looks kinda lame. He looks like a giant cloud/spaghetti with a skull.
Dynamo
Dynamo - 4/3/2011, 11:04 AM
@Xenix
Actually if you look at Parallax you can see the moving souls inside of it. I think it actually looks quite terrifying. And remember this isn't purely Parallax; this is him possessing Krona. You see Krona (who is a Guardian in the movie, instead of a scientist) enter the Yellow Battery in clip, the energy is more of a solid yellow in that.
I suppose you should look at Krona to be more like when Sayaat was possessed in GL:Rebirth. Parallax as the insect will probably still appear (remember that concept that was removed a while back?)
Dynamo
Dynamo - 4/3/2011, 11:06 AM
@Darkmatter
The writers even admited it's made of Green Energy.
What you're saying sounds more like the Pre-Crisis GL.
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