JOKER Sequel Reportedly ISN'T Happening Right Now And Todd Phillips Hasn't Pitched More R-Rated Origin Stories

JOKER Sequel Reportedly ISN'T Happening Right Now And Todd Phillips Hasn't Pitched More R-Rated Origin Stories

Well, this is something of a letdown after the news that broke earlier today! According to a reliable new source, that Joker sequel isn't happening right now and there aren't plans for more origin stories!

By JoshWilding - Nov 20, 2019 09:11 AM EST
Filed Under: Joker
Source: Deadline
Earlier today, it was revealed that a Joker sequel is in development and that director Todd Phillips will take charge of another R-Rated origin story for at least one more DC Comics villain. Well, Deadline has now weighed in on that and dismisses The Hollywood Reporter's story as "click bait." Ouch. 

Apparently, multiple inside sources have told the trade that while a Joker follow-up makes financial sense, "at this point there are no deals for a sequel, nor even any negotiations with director Todd Phillips or his co-writer Scott Silver." That seemingly closes the door on that then but they go one step further by revealing that the filmmaker hasn't even met with Warner Bros. boss Toby Emmerich. 

"Multiple sources said no such October 7 meeting between Phillips and Emmerich occurred, and that Phillips hasn’t even considered overseeing other DC character films," the trade adds. 

Now, it's possible the studio didn't want this information to get out as soon as it has but they appear to be pretty confident in their claims that a Joker sequel isn't happening as of right now.

We'll obviously keep you guys updated as the situation continues to develop. 

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Easter Eggs, cameos, and references in Joker!

Zorro The Gay Blade

Zorro


One of the most direct references to the comic books in Joker comes when we see Thomas and Martha Wayne leading Bruce out of a movie theater where they've been watching Zorro the Gay Blade.

That was obviously the movie the Waynes watched in the comics before they were gunned down, but rather than Bruce dragging them out because he's scared, it seems they're just trying to escape the unrest on the streets of Gotham. It's worth noting that this movie was released in 1981, which confirms that Joker is also set during that year. 
 

"Super Rats"

Ratcatcher


Early on in the movie, we see a news report mentioning that Gotham City has been invaded by "super rats." Batman has never faced a gigantic rat in the comics, but there is a villain called Ratcatcher.

His real name is Otis Flannegan and he uses his a preternatural ability to train rodents to commit crimes. There's nothing to indicate that's what's happening here, of course, but it's possible it's a nod to the villain! 
 

Justin Theroux's Unexpected Cameos

Justin


Justin Theroux has seemingly become the master of noteworthy cameos in big franchises, because after his brief appearance in Star Wars: The Last Jedi, he shows up in Joker as well. 

We see him when Arthur is playing that tape of Murray Franklin welcoming a guest named Ethan Chase on the show to promote something called American Playboy. It's hard to tell, but that is indeed Theroux who makes this small, but still really fun little cameo in the DC Comics movie.
 

The Franklin Murray Show

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As has already been noted online, the font used for "Live With Murray Franklin" is the same we saw in the Batman: The Animated Series titles. It's not the only nod on this show, though. 

Arthur's dressing room is #404. That was the first chapter in Frank Miller and David Mazzucchelli's iconic Batman: Year One, a story that doesn't necessarily inspire what we see in Joker, but definitely has the same tone. The 1980s setting is also the same and this could be where Todd Phillips looked for inspiration for his take on Gotham City. 
 

A Obscure DC Comics Villain

Arthur-Penny


Look closely and you'll notice that Dr. Benjamin Stoner is responsible for Penny Fleck's diagnosis. Well, in the comics, a Dr. Stone was also part of Arkham Asylum during the 1980s and he later went on to become a rather obscure Doctor Fate villain! 

There's another possible Easter Egg with Detective Burke, one of the cops pursuing Arthur. We don't learn his first name, but there was a Tommy Burke who was a detective in the pages of Detective Comics and Gotham Central. However, he doesn't seem to have much in common with this version.
 

Bryan Callen's Cameo

Callen


If you've got sharp ears, you might notice that one of Arthur's co-workers is played by Bryan Callen, the comedian and actor who played Eddie in Todd Phillips' Hangover movies. 

He said on a podcast a while back that he had been cast as an ageing stripper in Joker, so chances are he was meant to have a larger part which got cut down either for timing issues, or because he revealed more than Warner Bros. wanted him to! With any luck, he'll make it into the deleted scenes.
 

Pogo's Comedy Club

Arthur


Arthur performs his admittedly terrible stand up set in Pogo's Comedy Club, and there's probably a good reason it's named that. It's not because it's based on an iconic location, however; instead, Pogo the Clown was actually serial killer John Wayne Gacy's "respectable" alias.

This is a dark hint at what's to come for Arthur later in the movie and a very clever little touch. 
 

Charlie Chaplin's Modern Times

Chaplin


When Arthur manages to track down his "father" Thomas Wayne in that theater, the film playing is 1936 comedy Modern Times starring Charlie Chaplin. 

This film was actually added to the Library of Congress in the US National Film Registry in 1989 as it was deemed "culturally significant." The movie is a commentary on poor working conditions in the industrial age and there are themes in there which are definitely relevant to Joker and our world.
 

The Dark Knight Returns

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Joker's appearance on Franklin Murray's talk show is very similar to The Dark Knight Returns, as he commits a similarly violent act in that story. 

However, another nod comes when Joker plants a kiss on a fellow guest. Dr. Sally has to be a nod to Dr. Ruth Weisenheimer from Frank Miller's seminal tale, so Todd Phillips clearly paid some attention to the source material when crafting this particular scene in the DC Comics adaptation. 
 

"TW"

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This is easily missed on a first viewing, but when Arthur is putting on his makeup, he picks up a photo of his mother as a young woman with a message on the back reading, "Love your smile, TW."

He quickly crumples that up and dismisses it, but this could very well be confirmation that Thomas Wayne is Arthur's father. Alternatively, Penny might have written it on there herself! 
 

Wayne Manor

Alfred


Arthur pays a very tense visit to Wayne Manor where he comes across his "brother" Bruce Wayne. In one of Joker's weirdest nods, the young Bruce slides down a pole in his playground in what feels like a very direct reference to the Bat-Pole which became a staple of the 1960s classic TV series. 

Oh, and the Englishman who gets roughed up by Arthur is exactly who you think he is. Actor Douglas Hodge is credited as Alfred Pennyworth at the end of the film despite never being named in it.
 

A Nod To Batman's Co-Creator

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Early on in the movie, Arthur meets with his social worker, Debra Kane. She was actually a character in the Batman novel The Ultimate Evil, but common sense says this is a nod to Batman co-creator Bob Kane. 
 
There's also a possible reference to Bill Finger, as Sophie Dumont works in Gotham Savings Bank on 20 William Street. That might be something of a stretch, though, especially as Finger is so often overlooked in movies.
 
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THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 11/20/2019, 9:33 AM
So literally the complete opposite of the last article. I hope this one is true.
Baf
Baf - 11/20/2019, 11:32 AM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - "Muahaha!" Laughs the Joker maliciously as he sees how the misinformation has everyone reeling.
ThorArms
ThorArms - 11/20/2019, 12:16 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - There will no doubt be a sequel at some point
Spidey91
Spidey91 - 11/20/2019, 9:34 AM
well, thanks to THR for making us look like idiots I guess.
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 11/20/2019, 9:38 AM
Now go back in the other thread, read all those comments and laugh!

I'm lookin at you, porg!!!👀
Darkknight2149
Darkknight2149 - 11/20/2019, 9:38 AM
THANK GOD!!!

I really don't want DC's line of creator-driven standalones to be a bunch of formulaic villain movies.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/20/2019, 9:38 AM

GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/20/2019, 9:39 AM
Hope this is true. Let this fine standalone ride off into the sunset.
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 11/20/2019, 9:40 AM
Any more butthurt left over from the first thread??



Either way - would prefer the first to be standalone but if they make a sequel I’ll be there opening night.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/20/2019, 9:41 AM
Phillips like: “I’m still getting the $100 mil bag though right?”
KWilly
KWilly - 11/20/2019, 9:45 AM
Good.

KingNomarch
KingNomarch - 11/20/2019, 9:46 AM
As long as its better than the first one. The first half was way too boring for me.
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 11/20/2019, 9:47 AM
rsahadi
rsahadi - 11/20/2019, 9:47 AM
I for one hated the movie. Great acting but hated the story.
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