EDITORIAL - Comic Book Movies and Big Name Actors.

EDITORIAL - Comic Book Movies and Big Name Actors.

A look at what affect casting A-List actors can have on comic book movies.

Editorial Opinion
By TwistedKingdom - Feb 14, 2014 01:02 PM EST
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Nothing gets fans going like some big casting news. We've certainly gotten a lot of it over the last year. From Paul Rudd as Ant-Man to Aaron Taylor-Johnson AND Evan Peters as Quicksilver to, most recently, Jesse Eisenberg as Lexcorp CEO, Lex Luthor.

Historically, directors' choices for a role have been met with hate, criticism (often confused as hate) and sometimes faith. While some may ask "what're they thinking" others encourage, "just give them a chance".

The movie business is first and foremost…well…a business. As a result, casting in Hollywood becomes more about box office than the character being brought to life. And this is where "Name" actors or "A-Listers" come in.

Directors and studios turn to stars because they bring built in fan bases to projects. They have recognition. But consider this - when a "Name" actor is cast it's possible the character may suffer for it. More on that a little later. First, a question…

HOW IMPORTANT IS CASTING?

Filmmakers often preach finding "the best actor for the role" but often times that seems far from the case. Such as:



If finding the best person was important, ideally, there would be a criteria in place. A checklist to ensure the director and company don't stray too far from the map. What would be on this list? How about these three things?

1. ACTING ABILITY - Pretty self explanatory. Because what good is casting someone who looks the part but is ill equipped? You could turn on the SyFy Channel and find someone who looks like Aquaman but has as much talent as a potato.

2. CHARISMA - That "It" factor, as they say in Hollywood. Can the actor captivate an audience even when he/she doesn't have any lines? Do they draw you in? This isn't as important with supporting characters but it's absolutely necessary for the lead. Especially if that actor is the center of a potential franchise.

3. FITTING THE ROLE - Here's where things get dicey. Fitting the role is more than having a resemblance to the character. Comic book writers and artists give their characters a physical presence - menacing. Suave. Sultry. Whatever they're going for. They provide us with a sense of who these characters are or could be were they flesh and blood. And readers are able to interpret this.

So things like age, size and height do play an important part when casting. And film is a visual medium so, yes, looks are important. Not so much attractiveness, more "does the actor fit the mold". It's the reason some actors are always cast as "the geek", "the soldier" or "the villain".



Considering all of this, how important is casting? Very.

As important as it is to nab a gifted actor for a role, equally important is convincing our eyes we're watching our favorite heroes and villains come to life on the big screen. And here's where casting a big name star can work against that.

THE STAR VS THE CHARACTER



When you watch Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson in a movie do you see the character he's playing or do you see The Rock? How about Tom Cruise? Brad Pitt? Ben Affleck? When Martin Campbell cast Ryan Reynolds in the title role of 2011's "Green Lantern", it was Ryan Reynolds in green CGI.

The bigger the star, the greater risk the property suffers for it. Meaning, instead of seeing their favorite character audiences see their favorite actor. So while Michael Douglas as Hank Pym in Edgar Wright's upcoming "Ant-Man" is amazing, it's Michael fricken Douglas. Will audiences see Hank Pym or the Hollywood legend?

How about Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy? Sure, he was playing Lucius Fox but Morgan Freeman is Morgan Freeman.

Fans do it too with their Fan-casts. Chris Pine and Ryan Gosling as The Flash. Idris Elba as John Stewart. Before Affleck was cast in the "Man of Steel" sequel Karl Urban was a favorite for the new Batman.

While these may sound great, these actors are so well known and recognizable it would make it difficult to see the character being portrayed. So if not big names, who should studios be looking at? Newcomers and unknowns, of course.

CREATING NEW STARS



Instead of using comic properties as "vehicles" to showcase established stars, why not use them to create new ones? Finding actors with established bodies of work, waiting for their big break. That chance to show just how talented they are. It's the type of success story we've come to love.

Some of you might be thinking, "Like Gal Gadot". Well, not quite. Warner Bros. and Snyder had a short list for Wonder Woman (and the other roles). While many suggest, "He must have seen something in her", Gadot read against two other prospects.

Imagine the New York Jets going into training camp with Geno Smith, Mark Sanchez and Tim Tebow on the roster. Smith gets the start. One could say, "Well, they must have seen something in him" but you'd have to consider who the opposition was.



Now what if superhero movies had casting calls for lead roles? Worldwide. Headshots, tapes, the whole nine yards. Casting a wide net instead of picking from the same Hollywood tree. The scope of the process would make the actor's story of getting the part incredible.

Marvel Studios could've introduced the world to six or seven talented new actors leading up to "The Avengers". We did get Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston but the rest of the cast comprised of veterans, some past Oscar nominees.



Imagine if Marvel's "Iron Man" and "Captain America" films starred two gifted indie actors unknown to mainstream audiences. Hollywood would have two brand new leading men right now. Possibly three if you include "The Incredible Hulk". Here's a theory...

If a newcomer or unknown was cast as Bruce Banner, that actor would've returned for "The Avengers". And just maybe we would've been able to look forward to a Phase 2 Hulk sequel featuring The Leader, as teased in TIH. Just a thought.

And how about "The Amazing Spider-Man"? Sony announced the reboot would follow 15 or 16 year old Peter Parker through high school. This was the perfect opportunity to introduce bright, young talent. A couple kids in their late teens the new franchise could turn into stars overnight.

Yes, actors in their mid 20s are cast as high school kids all the time. But they get older. Actors might get a pass on the first installment but not with each sequel as they reach their 30s.



On a side note - Putting Peter back in high school opened up a new dynamic in the story. Throughout his adventures people forget Spider-Man is just a boy. Underneath that mask is a kid. By casting then 26 year old Garfield, (now 30), Marc Webb and Sony missed out on this.

Cast a man in the part and it's just another action movie. But put an 18, 17 or even 16 year old actor in the role and it brings a different emotional weight. Especially with the Sinister Six coming. It would make the franchise unique.

Watching a boy facing such impossible odds adds a dimension audiences don't get from watching Jackman, Downey Jr. or Cavill. And it's not just Garfield. The same goes for Emma Stone and now Dane DeHaan. Casting age appropriate can provide numerous creative advantages.



IN CLOSING

Again, the movie business is a business. The goal is to entertain but, more importantly, make money. And big names generate interest. Star power can lead to big box office. More goes into the casting process than finding the "perfect" actor for the role. There are politics. Relationships. Often times it comes down to who the director likes or has always wanted to work with.

Steering clear of "Name" actors may sound like it goes against the bottom line but there is an upside. Besides the possibility of creating new stars it puts the focus back on the property. The characters. Despite its format, comic books are just another form of storytelling. And audiences love a good story.

Executives may consider a superhero movie with no stars a risk but it isn't. Not if you have a solid script, a solid director and, of course, a promising cast.



What do you think? Is casting a big deal for you? Sound off below and thanks for reading.
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BenjiWest
BenjiWest - 2/14/2014, 1:54 PM
Good article.
GizmoEl
GizmoEl - 2/14/2014, 2:30 PM
Great article. However I think Marvel created stars. Chris Evans was in the business sure, but hardly anyone knew who he was. Its why he struggled with accepting the role, did he want to be out directly into stardom along with all the baggage it carries or didn he want to pass on it and do small indie movies like Puncture etc. In the end he chose the former and still tries to avoid stardom by signing on smaller projects.

I think for a recognizable character (like Superman, Spider-Man, Batman) an unknown (relatively unknown) actor must be cast. However they need to be able to handle leading a major blockbuster. Because of this, we get a newcomer with a veteran supporting cast (like Man of Steel).

In the case of Spidey, I think we got the teenage angst from Garfield and people complain about it. He looked the part and acted the boyish high school nature very well.. As did Emma Stone (their awkward asking out moment). The teenage rebellious nature etc was highly criticized on this site so I'm not sure casting someone younger would've solved that.

Anyways, great write up! Thumbs up from me
Odin
Odin - 2/14/2014, 2:44 PM
And in the third pic we see "the real" Mandarin.
Kurne
Kurne - 2/14/2014, 3:02 PM
Marvel gave life to Hemsworth and Downey, breathed more into Evans and Ruffalo's.
TwistedKingdom
TwistedKingdom - 2/14/2014, 3:29 PM
@ GizmoEl

Thanks!

I'd agree with you about Evans if he hadn't already done two "Fantastic Four" movies prior to "First Avenger". He also had films like "Scott Pilgrim" and "The Losers" on his resume so, although not a star, he was a name.

I have no problem with Garfield as an actor. I first saw him in 2007 opposite Robert Redford in "Lions For Lambs". He was great in TASM, both he and Stone were. But I didn't believe they were teenagers.

Casting age appropriate goes a long way if you're telling the story Sony is. It would've been great if Webb discovered a couple kids, turning them into new teen stars.
TwistedKingdom
TwistedKingdom - 2/14/2014, 3:41 PM
@ yossarian

The guy's name is Daniel Bryan. He's currently in WWE. He has an extremely rabid following.

@ Kurne

RDJ's career was already back on track prior to "Iron Man". He was getting steady work, going back to the 90s. In fact, both he and Ruffalo were in David Fincher's "Zodiac" in 2007.

As I mentioned to GizmoEl, Evans was working regularly too, having done the "Fantastic Four" films. Neither of their careers were suffering.

Those roles could've turned newcomers into household names.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 2/14/2014, 3:50 PM
Spider-man....
I've said this a bunch of times, but jeez, they really impaired Peter with the new movies.

He graduated from high school in the first continuity before he even put on the costume. In that movie, you get about 50 minutes into it before Spider-man stops the armed robberies.

The next movie, he's suffering in college because he can't balance Spider-man and his life as Peter Parker.

The third movie, he's struck that balance and has a girlfriend he's wanting to propose to.
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Then we're back in the fourth outing, the reboot, the new continuity. The entropy wall has struck, and now Peter is back in high school, likely starting out as a senior (given Gwen's internship at Oscorp).

The decision to restart everything clearly means that they are not interested in growth, but want to slow things down to a crawl and focus on his life before become a fully independent adult. It's a choice I really don't like, but many people for some reason applaud.
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That said, there are PLENTY of charismatic actors who haven't made it to Hollywood, have it had a big break, haven't played the politics right, or simply haven't left school.

I'm mostly referring to stage actors in live performances. They've rehearsed it to death, and now they're performing in the same room as an audience ranging from hundreds to thousands. They're AMAZING people.

And you couldn't name half the cast of a single production.

It (casting big names) really is about drawing crowds, often under desperate gambles, but sometimes because the series had progressed to the point where escalation becomes the game. Robert Redford is going to play the Illusive Man in the next Captain America movie (not really, but that's how I see him). I've got my expectations high because of it. And that's what the studio is looking to do.
Wallymelon
Wallymelon - 2/14/2014, 3:51 PM
Great article. I agree on a lot of points. First I need to say MArvel messed up with firing Norton for trying to make a better film. I do understand where they are coming from. The signed him to be an actor not a writer. I think hulk needs to have a balance between drama and action with a hint of comedy and a splash of thriller. Norton probably was trying to add too much drama. anyways...


I think Marvel has created multiple stars and is still creating careers for future stars. I do however believe adding the weight of a seasoned well versed actor in a role can be just as efficient. Certain actors tend to just play enhanced versions of themselves. My favorite actors are the ones that take it seriously but understand that their job is to basically be a kid. The actors that truly enjoy them selves and have fun are the most believable. Which is why i relish in films casting comedic actors in more serious roles.

Lots of films cast based on star power. The films you have listed didnt truly come from star power besides the Rock.

Norton is a known actor but he isnt in every other film. Bale is just a good actor. I think he did well in the films but he personally isn:t my favorite batman or wayne. Caine and Freeman are actors that add a certain gravitas to the film. They add that weight you need. Evans is known but he:s not a big star. RDJ was just getting back into the spotlight. Scar Jo does so many indie films. Renner just started getting big. Sam Jackson adds weight.

I agree that Spiderman would have been a little more interesting if they had casted Josh Hutcherson as Peter. Having a kid in the role would def add some weight to the story. But the actors in the film arent huge. Emma Stone was going to be big but she kind of fell off. Gadot is basically a nobody.

Point is yes casting should be choose who is right for the part, and that happens a fair amount. Who do we know is right for the part? We arent the ones creating that film. We have the comics yes, but we all have our own opinions on who should be casted. So lets just enjoy the art that we.
GizmoEl
GizmoEl - 2/14/2014, 4:32 PM
I tend to not care about age if the actor is right for the part. Personally, I love Garfield's Spider-Man and Peter Parker. I think his passion for the roles translates to the screen and we got a great depiction of the character. Would it be nicer if he were a little younger? Yeah sure. But at least he doesn't look like a 30 year old walking around high school (I'm looking at you Smallville).

RDJ was revitalized through the Iron Man series. I'd say Norton was the only big name that they had in the first Phase. Everyone knows how great RDJ is now but he was a HUGE gamble before Iron Man.
ruadh
ruadh - 2/14/2014, 6:41 PM
This is interesting, but what is the EFFECT that A-Listers have?
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 2/14/2014, 6:53 PM
Interesting topic and good article.
TwistedKingdom
TwistedKingdom - 2/14/2014, 7:02 PM
@Tainted87

Great point about stage actors. That's why I'd like to see studios and directors use a wider net when considering prospects for their superhero properties. They only increase their chances of finding real, undiscovered thespians. People who may actually fit the role better than the "short list of actors they're considering". No, they won't be as famous as someone like Ben Affleck but they'll deliver on the talent.

@Wallymelon

Here's the thing about Marvel's casting - Look up the filmographies for the actors they cast. With the exception of Hemsworth and Hiddleston, they were getting consistent, mainstream work. For example, "Tropic Thunder" came out the same year as "Iron Man". RDJ's career was far from dead. No, they weren't Brad Pitt famous but audiences knew who they were.

I just feel, especially with the genre as hot as it is, superhero movies are the perfect way to introduce NEW talent to audiences. Put a fresh face on the screen, someone who fits the role, and audiences have a chance to see Barry Allen, Hal Jordan or Lex Luthor not Chris Pine, Ryan Reynolds or Jesse Eisenberg.

@GizmoEl

"I tend to not care about age if the actor is right for the part".

Well…if the character isn't in high school, okay. Actually, if TASM2 picked up with Peter and Gwen in college, I'd be fine.

And the "Iron Man" series made RDJ the highest paid actor in Hollywood. He was getting steady work before that.
TwistedKingdom
TwistedKingdom - 2/14/2014, 7:03 PM
@MightyZeus

Thanks for checking it out.

@ruadh
GageHarts
GageHarts - 2/14/2014, 7:28 PM
This should be front page. I have loved all CBM castings other than Jesse Eisenberg as Luthor. That really bothered me. But I enjoy the big name actors honestly.
Nonetheless, this is a great article.
Tons of valid points!
GizmoEl
GizmoEl - 2/14/2014, 8:40 PM
@TwistedKingdom Well they're graduating high school in TASM 2 right? And it looks like Gwen is going to Oxford so maybe they'll fast forward a couple years
staypuffed
staypuffed - 2/15/2014, 12:13 AM
Interesting article. Nicely done.
CherryBomb
CherryBomb - 2/18/2014, 4:34 AM
Nice article and some good points.
Casting bigger names does exactly like what you said, you see the Rock or Bruce Willis instead of any character they're playing. And also, bigger stars mean uncertainty that they'll stay onto the franchise.

RDJ basically plays himself in Iron Man because he is Tony Stark like in personality and is already going to give up being Iron Man soon. But Chris Hemsworth will probably play the character for so many years like Hugh Jackman because when they started they were pretty much unknown.
TwistedKingdom
TwistedKingdom - 2/18/2014, 11:37 AM
@OldGreg

A couple things about casting for something like Star Wars. First, their growing fan bases are exactly the reason Fassbender and Cumberbatch would be in the films. Of course it's not the only reason but both stars are extremely popular right now and popularity puts butts in the seats. $$$

Second, they'd be playing original characters, not characters with 50, 60 or 70+ years of lineage. There's no source material to reference. Roles like that give the actor the chance to create characters of their own. They won't have to worry about "creative license".

@CherryBomb

I agree with you about RDJ. Maybe after Iron Man he'll be free to do roles that take advantage of his talents. Because he's capable of much more than being Tony Stark.
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