EDITORIAL: Setting This Shailene Woodley Craziness Straight Once And For All

EDITORIAL: Setting This Shailene Woodley Craziness Straight Once And For All

Yes, this one will be an actual REAL editorial! I'm sure you guys are all sick of reading about this now, as am I. But I felt the need to set a few things straight so I hope you'll indulge me, I won't take up too much of your time..

Editorial Opinion
By MarkCassidy - Mar 01, 2013 07:03 AM EST
Filed Under: Other

Yesterday I posted a satirical editorial about TASM 2 actress Shailene Woodley. To me, it was pretty obviously satire, containing sentences such as: "See? The fictional, ink and pencil MJ is SMOKIN, while the actual human being just doesn't match up! WTF??" and "Don't let her walk around all normal looking between takes where she can be photographed, and fans can see the pics plastered all over the net, giving them a [frick]ing aneurysm!", as well as suggestions that Woodley get breast enhancement surgery in the middle of filming and so on. But some - actually quite a few - people didn't "get it".

Maybe this is my fault. I thought I had made the article disgustingly misogynistic enough that even the disgusting misogynists that prompted me to write it in the first place would know something was up. I was wrong. Sure plenty of people understood the context, but those that didn't blew a gasket, actually believing that I meant the things I wrote. It led to quite a bit of backlash, and although some re-read the piece after initially seeing red and changed their views, others - such as the lovely Katey Rich of Cinemblend - who I believe is far too clever not to have spotted the satire but chose to put a little question mark over it to add fuel to her rebuttal - continued to believe it was written in complete sincerity, and I was apparently the stupidest, most sexist human being walking the Earth. Then there's the worst part: Some believed it, and AGREED with it. That's pretty depressing, but is it my responsibility? Well, yes, but more on that later. It also spawned a few crusaders among our community, many of whom I suspect had never even heard the word satire until it was pointed out to them, and rushed to Google, desperately trying to match up the Wikki definition with the article they saw before them. Poor Ijack is still writing bless him! I see a lot of "oh, he's saying it was a joke now!" type comments. No, it's not a "joke", I didn't write it for shits and giggles - learn and understand the difference. It was written to highlight a disturbing problem, and one way or another, despite some controversy, it has done that.

Anyway, here's the part where I take some responsibility. I will not apologize for the content of the article, as I, and anyone who knows me even a little (I have actually always been a supporter of Woodley in the role for one), know the intention behind it. The thing is, I didn't think about WHERE I was posting it. Here on CBM, to put it bluntly, any idiot with a keyboard can, in theory, get his stuff on the main page through our "likes" system. Now I'm not suggesting that all of our contributors are idiots - on the contrary, we get some fantastic, well thought out submissions. But we also get the other stuff too; stuff not too dissimilar (believe it or not) from my editorial. So when it appeared on main I can understand how some, initially, thought it might be serious. I will also cop to perhaps making it a little on the nose. In hindsight (a great thing) I probably should have chosen a completely different subject - Paul Giamatti as Rhino for example - and put them through the same faux scrutiny. But, what's done is done, and like I said, it has actually opened up a discussion about how we view and speak about actresses in this manner.

You are entitled to your own opinions, you are not entitled to your own facts, and the fact is, it was a satirical piece. Did it work as one? Obviously that's debatable, but even if you despise the article, I want you to know why it exists. I didn't bother responding to the various hate mails (and TWO death threats) I received last night, so I guess we'll call this one. Let's try to put this to bed, and for God's sake stop writing articles defending Woodley against and article that was defending her anyway! Try to be nice in the comments, try to be nice in general.

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mctrinket
mctrinket - 3/1/2013, 7:37 AM
LR
LR - 3/1/2013, 7:38 AM
Yep, keep digging that hole CBM...
JoeMomma29
JoeMomma29 - 3/1/2013, 7:40 AM
Hmmm just keep trying to back out of this one1

riddlemethis09
riddlemethis09 - 3/1/2013, 7:40 AM
@RorMachine
Thanks for apologizing but, more importantly, thank you for sticking to your guns. We all mess up, and I'm glad you owned up to it but still defend what you were trying to do. Some jokes hit, others don't, and it's all in the past now!
IIIAdamantiumIII
IIIAdamantiumIII - 3/1/2013, 7:41 AM
Good to know Channing Tatum is getting more roles. Love his Beautiful Hair in this one.
BlueMex
BlueMex - 3/1/2013, 7:42 AM
agree with @riddlemethis09
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 3/1/2013, 7:43 AM
Here's the problem. You have a responsibility for the content you provide. If you are going to show spy photos of Shailene Woodley looking like an everyday person walking through the cold in New York in the morning - as the FIRST ever picture of the actress in the role - you have to expect a backlash. You have to expect a negative response from the shallow fanboys, and knowing what you have to have learned over the years, do you really think it's appropriate?

Well sure, you're not going to pass it over just because it might make the actress look bad, are you?

Back to the content, specifically your satire - the trouble is that you are painfully aware of how fanboys have responded. You know there are a lot of immature kids who like to pretend they are adults, and will act brave over the safety of the internet.

So with the satire comes two things: one, you are mocking them (which I guess is appropriate, considering how stupid their responses were); two, you are outlining exactly what we should NOT be complaining about in an attempt to distance yourself from it all.

I ask you this: would you have published your satire if Shailene Woodley were under 18?
jessepostal
jessepostal - 3/1/2013, 7:45 AM
@riddle, he said he's not apologizing, only taking responsibility, whatever that means :)
SKOne
SKOne - 3/1/2013, 7:48 AM
I don't really care as long as she can act and she makes the movie better by being in it. I think there have to be at least 10,000 or so pictures of hot girls over the years doing Mary Jane cosplay on the internet. If all you want is pretty Mary Jane to look at, there you go.
riddlemethis09
riddlemethis09 - 3/1/2013, 7:48 AM
@Jessepostal- Oh my, you're right! In that case....
[FRICK] you, RorMachine! :P
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 3/1/2013, 7:49 AM
Tainted87, yes I would..if I had seen the same backlash towards her. Look, I wasn't targeting people that don't think she's right for the role, or don't find her attractive - anyone is entitled to think that. I'm talking about the really horrible bastards - you know the ones I mean - whether they are adults or kids is irrelevant. If they're old enough to type then they are old enough to be told they're being scumbags.
Stumblin
Stumblin - 3/1/2013, 7:49 AM
@DanteSparda, *You're* fired.

As for this article.
The negative response from Ror's article should have been expected. Too many cotton headed niggy muggins around here that either one can't take a joke, two trying to be the white knight and speak for the masses, or three just don't understand that this site is not just for news but for entertainment as a whole.

What I think is funny is this crap is still being talked about...however that also means that Ror wrote a good article.
Karmatron
Karmatron - 3/1/2013, 7:49 AM
TASM is a great movie, actually is the greatest comic book movie of all times and greatest even than the godfather, lord of the rings, citizen kane and every other movie in the universe!!!!

I will defend something that I have not seen yet just because I sickly love it and I will not be objective even if you are trying to mock the fanboys who mock the casting in the first place.

Yes I know that by being the white knight Shailene is going to date me because I will never have a girl like her in my life!

I will continue on my incesant with hunt to prove how wrong you are and how a saint I am myself... even when I do not defend any other male or woman not related to TASM or TASM2...

Well sorry folks, had to get that out of my chest.. hahahaha
@Ror, you did nothing wrong I stand by the article you wrote and hopefully the absurd folks around here will stop their witch hunt and keep hice the forks and firetorchs.
jessepostal
jessepostal - 3/1/2013, 7:51 AM
I think yoss said it best, and my problem with the article



"Wow. An editorial mocking and belittling a segment of your reader's opinions. Classy. "
hoperidesalone
hoperidesalone - 3/1/2013, 7:51 AM
The editorials on this site are garbage. Stick to reporting comic book movie news, kids.

"Here on CBM, to put it bluntly, any idiot with a keyboard can, in theory, get his stuff on the main page"

A truer statement has never been made.
valeriesghost
valeriesghost - 3/1/2013, 7:53 AM
I just assumed you were drunk when you wrote it.
sansClaymore
sansClaymore - 3/1/2013, 7:54 AM
lol... you know i really didnt know who she was when the first pictures appeared here on cbm, but ill be honest, they werent the most flattering of pictures to begin with. i like many , was like who the f is that? no way is that MJ, she looks like someones ugly niece that visited the set for a day. but upon researching her name and who she even is, i must say that she is actually quite pretty in other pictures i have seen of her on the web, although you wouldnt know it from those pictures posted here the other day. regardless, the interwebs are rife with trolls and haters and down right mean people. satire or not im sure the article in question was taken way too seriously.

the only real question that remains is.... would you bang her?
yes... yes i would. even kate upton in candid photos makes fugly faces from time to time, and if you dyed her hair red and put her in front of the camera she would make one sexy MJ, but i imagine it would be one terribly acted role.

so heres to shamalama woodsman as Mary Jane! may your haters eat their words when TASM2 drops!
Sora
Sora - 3/1/2013, 7:54 AM
2 Death Threats?
seriously?
2 people have some serious screws loose then
subzero1077
subzero1077 - 3/1/2013, 7:54 AM
Just stop dude.
TonyChu
TonyChu - 3/1/2013, 7:55 AM
Who cares what a bunch of nerds on a [frick]ing comic book site say about a girl? Because honestly if you compare this girl to half of the people on this site who actually have girlfriends, I bet your ass Woodley looks better. This whole thing really got out of hand and is a direct representation of society today and that is sadly looks mean everything. But in this case I don't understand because the girl playing MJ can act and she is gorgeous. So what is the problem, you saw her without makeup? NEWS FLASH: A LOT OF CHICKS DO NOT LOOK STUNNING WITHOUT MAKEUP!!! And to the people who took Ror's article serious are idiots.
SkywayTraffic
SkywayTraffic - 3/1/2013, 7:56 AM
@Dante *You're
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 3/1/2013, 7:56 AM
Sora, well, one death threat, and one "I hope you die"..does that count?:)
TonyChu
TonyChu - 3/1/2013, 7:58 AM
The only real gripe I can see with this girl is the fact that she looks younger than Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone. But camera work can change all that. Just look at TDKR, Tom Hardy is actually shorter than Christian Bale but looked massive in the movie.
MisterBabadook
MisterBabadook - 3/1/2013, 7:58 AM
I think it's amazing how a contributor I never heard of is gaining more attention for this site than any of the vets.

Stupid article got on main and now has all these different websites commenting on our responses to that.

And if that's the case, I'm going to start attaching my info to every comment.
Facebook.com/Scabsallover
Twitter.com/Scabs_all_over
KeithM
KeithM - 3/1/2013, 8:00 AM
'Never apologize, never explain. Get it over with and let them howl' - Benjamin Jowett

The piece was strong enough and so obviously satirically aimed at the very idiots who really do spout that kind of stuff entirely unironically, evidenced by some actually agreeing with it, that it really doesn't need defending or explaining.

Was it an accurate satire? Anyone who frequents this site knows it was.

Should you need to explain it to those too stupid to see it for what it was? No. Let the commenters mock them and if they still don't get it, that's their tough luck.

Do you risk getting jumped on by some Katey Rich who only reads the headline and blurb and misinterprets the intent entirely? Obviously, but I assume any piece like that also links to the original, so anyone who cares to, you know, check their facts, would see that for themselves - but you can't do anything about the wilfully ignorant, nor should you try.

Your piece stands up as a great bit of satire. It's truthful in aping the views of a certain type of poster here, and it DOESN'T reflect your actual views as can clearly be seen by your posting history; you're known as someone who happily embraces changes from the comics and chastises/mocks those who demand cartoon-accurate likenesses over suitability for the role as a actor.

You can't stop people throwing muck, but you don't need to dodge it if their aim is off. :)
sansClaymore
sansClaymore - 3/1/2013, 8:00 AM
i actually read the article dissing ror and not the one ror wrote so i have no real knowledge of what he said....
that being said the chick who bashed him should stay on her own site and get back to the kitchen im hungry.
GoILL
GoILL - 3/1/2013, 8:01 AM
This whole Shailene thing was overblown IMO.
thatiscrazy
thatiscrazy - 3/1/2013, 8:03 AM
Sounds like someone is trying to save face lol. "Satire"... haha riiiiiiight. You’d do great in US politics!

I think it’s funny when folks do something stupid, then when it doesn't work out how they thought, they try to say "but it was really meant to be taken a different way, so its not really my fault, but the fault of those who are not intelligent to understand what I was attempting"

This whole issue is sad. Bashing this girl for no reason has shown me just how pathetic some folks can be. I'm also offended that there is an expectation for folks to believe the bullshit justification of these actions.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 3/1/2013, 8:03 AM
Keith, thanks..I know we don't always see eye to eye so that means a lot.
BackwardGalaxy
BackwardGalaxy - 3/1/2013, 8:03 AM
The conceit of your rebuttal is that the only people who took offense were those who "didn't get it". I got the joke. I understood that it was satire. But just because you get to say "it was satire", doesn't mean it wasn't offensive. It can still be offensive, even if it is a satire, meant as a joke, even perhaps more poking fun at those who share the exaggerated opinions expressed within than the target of the faux-editorial.

Defending the original article is like defending SM's "We Saw Your Boobs" song at the Oscars. Everyone knew it was a joke, meant to play for laughs, and not meant to be insulting or demeaning to those it still flagrantly attacked, but it's STILL offensive. It is still a kind of misogyny. And while your freedom of speech gives you every right to post it, it doesn't change the fact that the content was offensive.

Good for you, for defending yourself, and teaching us all the true meaning of satire. You're still wrong.
NapalmdencH
NapalmdencH - 3/1/2013, 8:03 AM
Yeah.. yeah.. yeah.. Say anything to cover your own ass. Doesn't change the fact that you wrote the article and now you gave to deal with being a pig.
ToTheManInTheColdSweat
ToTheManInTheColdSweat - 3/1/2013, 8:04 AM
ijack, ugh what a [frick]ing snitchy moron. this mother[frick]er is IN LOVE with a movie. that's too [frick]ing pathetic.

and

[frick] katey rich, straw feminist, she knew it was satire and wrote a [frick]ing biased article pretending otherwise.

u good rormachine, u lovable irish bastard.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 3/1/2013, 8:06 AM
Backward, "I'm wrong"..in your opinion sweetheart, in your OPINION!
TonyChu
TonyChu - 3/1/2013, 8:07 AM
@NapalmdencH the article was meant as a joke and yet he is catching shot from people who knew it was a joke. It's not his fault that some people are too [frick]ing stupid to tell.
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