First Class over The Dark Knight

First Class over The Dark Knight

Unbiased opinions aside from both the reader and I. Here, I will explain why X-Men: First Class is better.

Editorial Opinion
By EdgyOutsider - Mar 25, 2013 04:03 AM EST
Filed Under: Other

I would like to say this first, if you are ready to tell me that I'm bashing on DC and Batman, I suggest you stop reading and don't even comment. Cause that's NOT what this is. It's pure opinion. If you can't accept it, it's not my problem. That being said, if you're still reading. I love The Dark Knight as much as the next guy but, I feel a lot of the love for The Dark Knight and the sole reason it's considered the best is because of Heath Ledger. Think about it, would the movie have been as good if anyone else was in the role? Of course not. X-Men has been pretty mixed among the fans of the comicbooks. I haven't read many but, I don't think the movies are bad. I think it just stems from the fact that they aren't the fans' X-Men movies. X-Men and X2: X-Men United are great CBM's and among the best. The franchise gets a lot of flack for The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Why should a franchise of five released films catch flack for two bad movies (which I found them to be enjoyable for what they are). Continuity ignored, I'm looking at these two as single films. Here are a couple reasons why I feel X-Men: First Class is better than The Dark Knight.

Better all around Story



The story for The Dark Knight was good. But, the biggest problem I have with it is the plot hole where they never explained the whole Jim Gordon death scenario. Honestly, I'm not one to pick up on plot holes easily. I'm watching First Class as we speak and I'm not seeing any plot holes. Unless you count continuity issues as plot holes. But, I'm not counting continuity in this case as stated before. I found the premise and overall story for First Class more interesting and more engaging. Taking place during the Cuban Missile Crisis where Charles Xavier and Erik Lenshier put together a team to stop an all out war between mutants and humans due to Sebastian Shaw. It had good character development and drama while also having exciting action scenes. The intensity of the movie is really the best part of it if you ask me. Outside of one other thing, which I am about to get to.

Acting



Better overall acting. Much more convincing acting, that's just my opinion. James McAvoy did feel weak at times but that's it. Think of it this way, Michael Fassbender practically got universal acclaim for his role as Erik Lenshier/Magento. He's the Heath Ledger of that movie. Outside of a couple moments from James McAvoy, there isn't a single bad acting moment. Hell, Hugh Jackman's cameo as Wolverine was a bright but very small acting moment, despite being a cameo. The Dark Knight had Maggie Gyllenhaal. That was the worst casting decision Christopher Nolan has made outside of Marion Cotillard. Alright, I have to admit. I came off like I was bashing. I apologize for that. Outside of Heath Ledger, I just wasn't overall impressed with the acting in The Dark Knight. Lucas Till was another stand out in X-Men: First Class for me, as well as Nicholas Hoult. Also, Kevin Bacon. 'Nuff said.

It feels real



Bear with me here. I don't mean it's a realistic take where "if this were to happen, this is how we think it would happen". I'm talking that the characters, situations and struggles all feel real. Honestly, I feel no comicbook movie had really succeeded like that. X-Men: First Class was fun and exciting while feeling very real and very intense. The other X-Men movies, particularly the first two felt like comicbook movies which worked fabulous (the first two are of course). First Class had the fun of a comicbook movie but as I've stated numerous times, it felt very real. Characters felt like they actually existed. Obviously not everyone feels the same and that's okay.

Overall: The Dark Knight is a excellent movie and one of the best. There is no denying it. No matter how faithful to your favorite company you are, there is no denying it. X-Men: First Class works for me as being best only to The Avengers topping it. Now, it's not that high on my favorites, although at times I change them up. First Class tops The Dark Knight as (in my opinion, respectfully) not just a comicbook movie but, a movie in general. More interesting story with the help the VERY convincing acting and because of that acting, it all comes full circle and feels very real. Not a single dull moment in my opinion.

Yes, I'm expecting to catch tons of flack for this opinion. But, it's an opinion. Nothing biased here. I know I'm probably contradicting myself but, I feel that despite how much I love, The Dark Knight. I feel it's also overrated. First Class is a brilliant to start of a trilogy that has potential (as with everything else) to be the best comicbook trilogy. The only trilogy close to the best is, The Dark Knight trilogy. Days of Future Past is only going to be fixing some problems, not all of them as Bryan Singer has stated (personally, Cyclops is my favorite X-Man, always has been. I hope they find a way to bring him back). What do you think? As always, comment below and be respectful and civil when you do.
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EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 3/25/2013, 5:12 AM
Levi: I found First Class to be brilliant and much more engaging than, The Dark Knight. I'm not a huge fan of the look of Beast in this one but, it grew on me. January Jones as Emma Frost could have been cast better but, It worked for me. Opinions are assholes. Everyone has one and this is mine. I also didn't mean realistic as something that WOULD happen. Characters, situation and the overall story just felt real and as convincing as you can get.
Spideyguy94
Spideyguy94 - 3/25/2013, 5:26 AM
@LEVITIKUZ Sorry but first class is not a rip off of any James Bond film. It has a James Bond feel to it but that's it. So you say your a beast fan? Do you know what's happend to beast in the last 10 years? He's Transformed twice, once very recently in all new x-men and in grant morrisons new x-men. Type in beast new x-men on google and you'll see that the beast in first class is very inspired by the look of beast in new x-men. And bacon and fassbender where the only ones who cared? Sorry but did you see mcavoy's performance? Kevin bacon is great in the movie there's no doubt about it, but mcavoy and fassbender steal the movie. Are you serious about xavier wiping moira's mind? He's a telepath he can do that, it's his mutant ability. In superman 2 it just comes out of nowhere and isn't a power that the movie doesn't mention. I'm not saying that the movie is better than dark knight because its not. But it not this awful movie that you make it out to be.
Spideyguy94
Spideyguy94 - 3/25/2013, 5:46 AM
@LEVITKUZ so what if its got a bond feel to it. It's set in the 60's during the height of the Cold War and the Cuban missile crisis, so the espionage bond feel works because of it. It's still an x-men movie. You've still got the themes of racism and prejudice in there.
HulkinOut
HulkinOut - 3/25/2013, 6:52 AM
Lol idk about this article. I know this is your opinion, but stating one flaw and then moving on to the next category doesn't prove anything. Someone could easily write up and reverse article, say one flaw about XM:FC

Also how is a prevented war that never went down between humans and mutants more intense than an entire city thrown in turmoil and chaos. People getting blowing up left and right throughout the film.
ToTheManInTheColdSweat
ToTheManInTheColdSweat - 3/25/2013, 7:16 AM


i was gonna read ur article, thinking it was gonna be a well thought piece because i like xmfc almost as much as tdk, then i saw it was you, the super duper marvel fanboy. lmbo, same guy with a vendetta against everything DC. U soo [frick]ing biased its hilarious, how old are you 18? 19? hahahahaha.

PASS!!!!
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 3/25/2013, 7:40 AM
Coldsweatyman: I'm 17 and you really don't get it do you? Same with tonytony. I have no vendetta against DC. Even though Levi doesn't agree with the article, I'm sure he'll defend me and back up that this isn't anti-DC. I don't care much for DC. Boohoo. Get over it. Honestly, I don't give a damn what you people say on that shit anymore.
marvel72
marvel72 - 3/25/2013, 7:51 AM
the dark knight is better than x-men first class,i do believe you should stick to the source material as close as possible.

slight changes i'm fine with,if you actually use the characters from the comics i.e x-men first class should of been the original team,you can come up with whatever original story you like.

but fox/the director drew names out of a hat & said they would be the first x-men,the film only featured a handful of good scenes & two standout performances which were fassbender & mccavoy.

good film,crap x-men film.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 3/25/2013, 7:54 AM
I think it does a little. Cause I got no vendetta against them. It's about preference and opinion. I don't try to bash on everything DC. Most of their animated movies are really good. Their shows are okay. The original superman (haven't seen the second), Superman Returns, Batman, Batman Returns, The Dark Knight trilogy and Watchmen are really good movies. I loved Watchmen out of all of them. DC just doesn't have stories and characters that make me want to pick up one of their comics.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 3/25/2013, 8:00 AM
Wasn't my intention. I was just trying to prove A point is all.
BatsFan
BatsFan - 3/25/2013, 8:34 AM
I really enjoy First Class. For me, this one is the best X-men movie. But all the best scene for the film are the one they took from the Magneto Origins script. If they would have made that film with Michael Fassbender this would have been so good. Magneto travelling the world and killing ex-Nazi.
BatsFan
BatsFan - 3/25/2013, 8:36 AM
Oh and the Dark Knight is better.
jessepostal
jessepostal - 3/25/2013, 9:37 AM
There is no comparison, the biggest thing?? Emotion, Dark Knight has it, First class doesn't. First class has its moments but id give the credit to the acting in those moments.
gmoney0505
gmoney0505 - 3/25/2013, 11:23 AM
Lot more flaws in First class than TDK.

- Too many horrible lines for Mystique. This one is the main one "BE MUTANT! BE PROUD!"
- Cgi was not even ready to be out of the editing room. Boat scene with Magneto attacking Shaw at night, last fight scene with missles, boats, Emma Frost diamond form, tornadoes, and teleports are cartoonish as hell and not finish.
- Every female in the movie was so so in the acting part.
- All the mutants are childish as hell and too teeny
- Villain was good but cannot top the performance of Joker in TDK.
- Yet another movie for X-Men about mutant rights again and whether or not magneto and xavier can agree on whats better. Can we please move on from this plot

First class is a cool movie, not great or the best but cool. X-Men 1&2 are still a whole lot better overall.

95
95 - 3/25/2013, 12:07 PM
I disagree, but that's just opinion versus opinion.
RidiculousFanBoyDemands
RidiculousFanBoyDemands - 3/25/2013, 12:12 PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and have a right to defend it. However the arguments you have laid out are incredibly weak. You're not going to catch a ton of flack for your opinion, but you are for your inability to articulate your defense. X-Men First Class is a great film, but it's in the second tier of all time great comic book movies.
tonytony
tonytony - 3/25/2013, 12:34 PM
Yet another anti-dc article from Nick Salinski.
WorstUserNameEver
WorstUserNameEver - 3/25/2013, 12:52 PM
XMFC isn't even better than TDKR let alone the former.

For me XMFC was nothing more than a pleasant surprise.

TDK is not only the best comic book film ever made (I said it and I aint no Nolan-ite either), it is up there in most peoples (not just superhero fans) top 50 movies ever too.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 3/25/2013, 1:04 PM
First off, FIRST CLASS is insulting to most comic book X-Men fans. Fox's disregard for source and the fact they can't even keep to their own either is a total joke.

Fass as Mags was the only thing decent and still wished they made that solo MAGNETO movie instead.

Second the TDK is pure gold (Rises of course not).

WATCHMEN and TDK haven't been touched yet, well 'cept AVENGERS of course (Close).

Looking forward to Superman, Iron Man 3, Kick Ass 2 and Thor 2.

superbatspiderman
superbatspiderman - 3/25/2013, 1:57 PM
I loved First Class but i is no whee near The Dark Knight. There are way too many continuity errors in First Class. The Dark Knight is not just a great comic book movie bt a great movie in general. Whenever there is a list of greatest movie vllains he Joer is usully on it.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 3/25/2013, 2:12 PM
Sorry, Lizard1 again I liked the way the article was written but I strongly disagree. First Class was good, but TDK is easily top 3 CBMs of all time.
Orphix
Orphix - 3/25/2013, 2:29 PM
It just seems like a really weird comparison to make - to take these two films. Apart from the comicbook movie aspect there is little to compare.

As a result I really enjoyed both. Are they perfect? Not to me but they both set out and accomplish what they want.

My biggest problem with TDK is Harvey Dent. His fall from grace always seemed way too quick and a little forced. For my money he just wasn't put through the ringer enough. I know he lost his fiance but when you consider the position he started in, was he was prepared to take on, to completely collapse morally and turn into two face just seemed hollow.
RidiculousFanBoyDemands
RidiculousFanBoyDemands - 3/25/2013, 3:01 PM
Also as for your use of the word unbiased:

RidiculousFanBoyDemands
RidiculousFanBoyDemands - 3/25/2013, 3:07 PM
You can't go in with an unbiased opinion when you clearly state that you feel one movie is overrated. When writing that, it shows the reader what your true feelings about the Dark Knight are. You can't even say you love one movie or another, to write about something objectively you have to be completely neutral. After someone reads that your unbiased credibility goes out the window because anyone who has ever taken a college level writing course knows, you will look at the movie you are comparing it to (First Class) and search for qualities about the film that may not be there just to support your thesis. At that point you stop looking at it objectively, and thus are no longer unbiased. Nobody that constantly posts on this site can look at any comic book movie objectively.
tonytony
tonytony - 3/25/2013, 3:14 PM
@ridiculos. Go through his previous editorials all of them are anti-dc and on many occassions he has stated that he doesnt like or care for anything Dc. Yet he tries to position himself as unbiased this is the source of my irritation in particular with him. He calls himself the Lizard, i think he is appropriately named.
GoodGuy
GoodGuy - 3/25/2013, 3:57 PM
@Lizard1

RidiculousFanBoyDemands has a point with the usage of unbiased. I've seen your previous editorials and comments and you claim that your opinion is unbiased. An "unbiased opinion" is somewhat of an oxymoron. The inclusion of the word "opinion" negates the purpose of the implied objectivity of the word "unbiased"

All grammar aside, I'm not sure why you would compare X-men and The Dark Knight. It's like comparing apples and oranges. While I understand your rationale in correlating the two given the fact that both are CBMs, they're still 2 very different things. It is to my understanding that both movies adhere to different standards and different criteria for effectiveness.

However, I will respect your opinion. I just think that the comparison is a bit arbitrary.



EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 3/25/2013, 7:03 PM
@Soto: I ignored continuity if you read the article. I focused on them as single movies. I didn't find everyone else in The Dark Knight terrible, I loved Aaron Eckhart and Heath Ledger. Everyone else didn't do anything to their characters to really interest me and keep me engaged. It dragged too many times and Maggie Gyllenhaal and Marion Cotillard (I know she wasn't in TDK) are tied In my eyes for worst actress ever. The Dark Knight was excellent, don't get me wrong. It just dragged, most of the characters felt bland due to no one really doing anything with their characters to make them more interesting and again, that Jim Gordon plot hole just ruins the movie a bit for me. I don't care if people like my article or not. I don't care if anyone thinks I'm anti-DC. I won't lie, I have came across as that more times than I can count. What part of I like some of their movies (live action and animated) and I like Batman and The Flash did no one understand?

I found X-Men First Class to be more engaging, more well paced and better acted as an overall cast. Outside of Heath Ledger, there really isn't anything special about TDK. I find Batman Returns darker than TDK.
QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 3/25/2013, 8:12 PM
If it isn't in the editorials it's on main, but there is always a bashing article on Batman his films or DC. I hardly if ever find a Marvel bashing article. Seems to me that these haters/Marvelites are afraid of DC, and its potential, and want to prevent DC from rising, because they know DC has the best stories heroes villains, and events just all around better. Even their god Stan Lee bashes DC every chance he gets, but makes it seem he is just being funny or clever which he isn't in class he was just the kid cheating of the brightest student/DC, and taking credit for it.
LoudNoises
LoudNoises - 3/25/2013, 8:14 PM
I respect your opinion and all. But why oh why do people like First Class?! I don't think I will ever understand it. I cringed throughout the entire movie when I first saw it, and now and I can't even bring myself to watch it even if it's just on TV and there is nothing else on... AND I LOVE X-MEN!!! Maybe it's just me getting old but I want some depth to a movie, not just spectacle.

And as far as the acting in the movie goes, I would guess most of the actors in the movie wouldn't even say that this movie was very challenging. Physically perhaps, but I bet if they were being honest about it, they would admit that they didn't have to dig very deep into their acting repertoire. The "Hey! Let's give each other nicknames!" scene pretty much sums up the entire movie to me in terms of quality.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 3/25/2013, 8:42 PM
Fassbender versus Ledger.

Hmmm... well, Fassbender got to bang Mystique, so I guess he wins.

As a movie, First Class breezed over WAY TOO MANY things - while The Dark Knight had great pacing up until the end. And even in the end, it wasn't really bad pacing, it was just a very anti-climactic death scene.

I will say that with Michael Fassbender and Kevin Bacon, X-Men wins the best acting bit.
--

Levi actually had a point about it being very Bond-like.
Just don't refer to Connery, and more to the earlier Moore movies. Man with the Golden Gun, DEFINITELY the Spy Who Loved Me, and a teeny bit of Moonraker. Emma was a pretty secretary of sorts, the Americans being retarded buffoons, the Soviets being not-so-overly cautious, it definitely had some influence there. Also kind of helps that it took place in 62, when Dr No was released.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 3/25/2013, 9:48 PM
@Tainted: I wasn't meaning for a comparison in general, let alone Fassbender vs Ledger. Ledger obviously put on the greatest portrayal of a comicbook character, yet maybe even ever. I just feel the overall acting from the cast of First Class was much better than The Dark Knight. I feel First Class had better pacing. The Dark Knight dragged too many times. I had no problem with the ending or the movie in general. The plot hole with Gordon and the overall pacing are my biggest gripes about the movie.

@Loudnoises: First Class has depth.

MarkoftheDemon: DC has potential. Everything has potential. DC is just a little bit trickier and Stan Lee is, Stan "The Man" Lee for a reason. Spider-Man, X-Men, Hulk, Fantastic Four, ect. He's the co-creator of all of them and in my humble opinion, Spider-Man and X-Men are among the most interesting characters in comics for many reasons. I'm not a Marvelite, I just prefer Marvel. If I were a Marvelite, I wouldn't like anything about DC. But, I like The Flash and Batman as well as in an earlier comment, I listed DC movies that I like. To be honest, I hope DC does continue putting out good movies based off their properties cause I just like a healthy war between the two companies. As always though, they unfortunately turn into flame wars. Ah well. Bottom line, I found First Class to be an overall better movie.

I'm just glad I'm not getting shit on as bad as I normally do lol

EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 3/25/2013, 9:51 PM
@Soto: Never did I say that Ledger was the only good thing about it. He's the best thing about the movie. Think about it though, would it have gotten as muh praise had he not been in? It's not by any means bad. I just think people make it out to be this huge thing when it really isn't. When I said I don't care what people think, I was referring to everyone saying I'm anit-DC.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 3/25/2013, 10:27 PM
Soto: Lenny Kravitz's daughter was good for what she was given, which wasn't a lot and it wasn't a twilight-esque X-Men. It's your opinion that The Dark Knight is more engaging. It's all about opinion and I feel First Class is a better movie. I will agree, The Dark Knight had much better marketing. I wasn't all that excited initially for First Class. However, The Dark Knight is as good as most comicbook movies if you take out Heath Ledger. Nothing about The Dark Knight, outside of his performance impressed me. Hell, I didn't see the mood until that christmas cause I got it for Christmas that year and I had to watch it twice before I liked it and got interested in it. I never understood the hype outside of Ledger's performance.
QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 3/25/2013, 11:02 PM
@Lizard1
What I meant by saying DC has potential is that they have the potential to take over the live action film department, because DC is already winning in everything else. If DC can do that then they will have the market. The way they do this is by putting out quality films with the least amount of busts. DC can't afford to bust as much as Marvel can because DC doesn't have their own studio which means every time DC puts out a film it needs to count.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 3/25/2013, 11:17 PM
@MarkoftheDemon: I think Marvel done pretty well in the video game department and obviously me and you are gonna disagree when it comes to the comicbooks. Although, Marvel could be doin better right now in that department. I have a solution for the shows, it's Marvel Anime. As far as the live action movies go, DC has potential and you're right. They need to make every single one count. I hope I am wrong about Man of Steel and that it turns out good and starts a DC universe away from The Dark Knight trilogy. The main reason I want them to succeed is cause again, I like friendly competition with the rival. Ya know?
tonytony
tonytony - 3/26/2013, 12:22 AM
@markofdemon go through lizard1 previous articles and you will see this lizard is pure anti-dc and he has said many times he doesnt like dc. We should hold him to account for trying to position himself as unbiased. Maybe consider removing editorial privileges if he keeps lying to people here in his editorials
relentless1
relentless1 - 3/26/2013, 12:33 AM
The Dark Knight is the greatest CBM of all time, followed closely by the Avengers, opinion and fact ;)
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