Is Batman Gay? In defense of Grant Morrison!

Is Batman Gay? In defense of Grant Morrison!

Grant Morrison has received some overwhelming backlash for calling the Dark Knight "gay". Is it Warranted?

Editorial Opinion
By DoodPool - Apr 28, 2012 08:04 PM EST
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Source: Rormachine's Article

In a recent article with whatculture.com Grant Morrison made a comment about our beloved Dark Knight Bruce Wayne being "very, very gay". I was kind of shocked with the amount of backlash this provoked from most Batman fans on CBM. I thought surely most people would see at least the most superficial instances where batman could be "a little gay." With some people calling some kind of reverse sexism and some claiming Morrison has no respect for the character i think this is worth examining a bit more thoroughly. Bare with me...

A lot of the anger comes from fans thinking Morrison is "putting down" the character by calling the character "gay". Although in Grant's own words the comment isn't meant to be taken "pejoratively" or under the pretense gay is the derogatory term some may attribute it as. What he is saying here is that there is something homoerotic about the male camaraderie and extravagant themes in comic books, and Batman is no different. He is for instance raised by a surrogate father in Alfred and has the repeated habit of trying to play father/mentor to younger boys while Ultimately alienating most women figures from his life which plays right into the gay undertone Grant was trying to express.

You see by day Bruce Wayne is trying to fill the shoes of his father who he Romanticizes as if through the eyes of a child. His father being the "ultimate good" or most righteous, which Bruce Wayne has tried to imitate in the time he pretends to be a normal person. As Batman he is trying to break the cycle of the tragedy he experienced as a child by protecting the city and harboring those he sees a bit of his childhood in. Nothing new right? But in the midst of these strong plot points little to no attention is payed to the mother figure, a void which Wayne has never tried too hard to fill.

Now a lot of comments here claim Batman has more then enough notches on his bedpost to qualify as the personification of heterosexuality in tights. But i have always seen Bruce Wayne as pretty asexual, often citing his fleeting relationships as "keeping up appearances".

Plainly seen throughout Batman's continuity, he invests more emotion in males then he does in women. Repressed feelings due to the absence of a mother figure? Very well could be but pattern here dictates he should be just as obsessed with filling this void as he is trying to live out the legacy of his father. You can Surmise in the same way you love your family that Bruce Wayne LOVES Alfred, or Bruce Wayne LOVES Dick Greyson, or Bruce Wayne LOVES Jason Todd. But i have never felt Bruce Wayne is capable or could let himself be capable to love a woman. Often his Damsels in distress are tragic characters in the sense he's made no room for romance in his life, Often only reacting to affection with sympathy or reacting in way that based on their expectations, not his own feelings. I think essentially Batman has been made asexual or psychologically impotent, living just for his strife and surrogate family.

(keep in mind Rachel Dawes was created just for the Nolanverse Batman films and doesn't allude to any big love interest from the comics)

So is Batman gay? I think there IS a homosexual undertone in his relationships or at least a asexual one. Do i think Morrison was projecting his own Sexual insights onto the character? No i think Grant is as well adjusted author/fan who has projected on Batman as much as any author projected their own sexuality or psychology onto the character, making him into what we know today. Would i care if Batman was gay? Nope. I think it would add another complexity to the life and struggle of Batman's Psyche.I have no doubt Morrison has a great respect for the character which enables him to be so critical and laugh about the cliches and bizarities that come with a literal look at the source material. But i believe these kinds of deeper insights from people like Grant, Moore, Loeb and Miller are what has ultimately built Batman into such a compelling hero and character study.

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SpaceCase
SpaceCase - 4/28/2012, 8:48 PM
Well Batman had to be asexual for two reasons: Under the comic's code authority sex wasn't going to be allowed in comics whether it was hetero or not, so the source material is going to be sexless anyways. Secondly comics were considered for kids anyway and and kids don't think like that. Sure you could google search and find comics where they look and say gay things, but that's because it's from a different time and is only funny looking back. I don't expect Bruce Wayne's sex life to be an important part of the Batman's story.
Kalel219
Kalel219 - 4/28/2012, 9:02 PM
What about the end of "Heart of Hush" when he confesses his love to selina?
SpaceCase
SpaceCase - 4/28/2012, 9:05 PM
What about the episode of the animated series where mad hatter puts him in a perfect dream world where he has everything he'd want? In his "perfect world" his parents are alive, someone else is batman, and he's about to marry Selina.
DoodPool
DoodPool - 4/28/2012, 9:41 PM
@Kalel219

It took that a long time to develop which i consider a breakthrough for the character at least considering his flighty history. Tho i still see him in the broader sense as asexual as a child considering he never grew out of that child like state from his trauma.

@deadpoolbeatsall

thanks! I think the fluffy golden age of batman can obviously be picked apart as gay, mid 80s onward is more subtle but really establishes a man not capable of real relationships for the most part. I mean he has his moments of insight but it never lasts too long.

@Noone

I'd say Batman is a grown man with a little boy in his head saying "save my parents" and it won't let him stray too far into becoming an adjusted adult ready to understand women or have a relationship with them or enjoy his life in anymatter. Some people think he's a father figure to robin but i think robins actaully his playmate. This and that men in tights is inherently gay i think justifies my article, i think it's the Author's (grant morrisons) duty to pick apart his character psychology and over think it so that he can put it back together and make something better with it.
marvelguy
marvelguy - 4/28/2012, 10:28 PM
If you assert that all men in tights are somewhat gay, then all superheroes are gay. What are they supposed to wear? Do all gays wear tights?
Batman is a mentor to Robin: he helps the kid work through his inner struggles in an outward manner. A mentor teaches, guides, counsels, supports, and sometimes cares (as in care take) his charge. A mentor isn't always significantly elder. In this case, he is. He is simply mentoring Robin his way that diverged from Alfred's mentoring of him.

I agree with most that throughout his history in books and live-action, Batman is always drawn to Catwoman naturally.

It is a disservice to anyone's cause when you make an artificial change to support it: changing characters' race or sexual orientation.
DoodPool
DoodPool - 4/28/2012, 10:52 PM
@marvelguy

I don't see how it would disservice any group of sexual orientation if batman was theoretically gay it's not as if straight people are lacking role models and i doubt it would lead to romps through fields in whitey tighties on the next ep of young justice, but if you are such an advocate maybe you can explain it to me.

With that said i'm not saying he is gay i'm saying he has gay tendencies there is a distinction, we all have gay tendencies, if you don't believe me then take a moment to ponder why you like superheroes, do you admire them in someway? Do you think there cool? that's still a sign of admiration which by most peoples standards could be perceived as gay. Not in a way of being intimate but in a way of showing affection.

also

1. Saying batman is just a mentor is like saying michael jackson was just a mentor. both were robbed of childhood and tried to act it out later in life with younger children in relationships held to a questionable standard. Silly example i know but w/e. Deeper examinations of batman's pathos have always told the better stories. Him just being a mentor is like.. a golden age/Saturday morning cartoon thing.

2. I do assert all men in tights are somewhat gay and i'm not saying superheroes are suppose to wear anything specific i'm just acknowledging wearing tights is very flamboyant. A lot of these heroes even design their own costumes which means there stylists as well... i mean...How many people still rock the cowlick? that's the easier stuff to pick apart but that is not the substance to my argument.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 4/28/2012, 11:42 PM
The quote reads:
"He's very plutonian in the sense that he's wealthy and also in the sense that he's sexually deviant. Gayness is built into Batman.
"I'm not using gay in the pejorative sense, but Batman is very, very gay. There's just no denying it. Obviously as a fictional character he's intended to be heterosexual, but the basis of the whole concept is utterly gay. I think that's why people like it. All these women fancy him and they all wear fetish clothes and jump around rooftops to get to him. He doesn't care - he's more interested in hanging out with the old guy and the kid."

Grant Morrison is making these remarks to Playboy, which is probably the most womanizing and objectifying magazine in publication. I would actually like to see some context for this statement - was he prompted by the interviewer or did he just make that declaration?

At any rate, regardless of his claiming he doesn't mean "gay" in a derogatory manner, he is very clearly doing so. He says that Batman is plutonian - as in isolated, grim, severe, chilly, and that somehow carries a gay undertone.

All sexual orientation aside (that is not in question here), Morrison is claiming that a standard of gay culture is to ignore sexually attractive women (or men) and fulfill your own ambitions.

I manage the drive-thru at McDonald's. I'm pretty tall, average build, and combined with the building's slight elevation, my eyes sit pretty high up. So many women come through my drive-thru wearing low-cut tops and are at times popping out of their bras. I myself do not find that at all attractive, but if I did (as do some of my coworkers who share my height and perspective), would it be appropriate for me to let that distract me at every turn? I don't think so, it wouldn't be professional.

Batman sees himself as a consummate professional in what he does. Depending on the writer, he will either go nuts over Catwoman or only admire her personality. Considering how there is a standard sexual appeal for nearly every character whether they are a background "extra" or recurring, it is hard to determine whether Selina is just THAT striking or if it is her attitude. Either way, if suggesting that a character is gay if s/he will only be attracted to another based on their attitude rather than their sexuality, then I'm certain the entire human race is gay.

I very much disagree with your assertion that we all have gay tendencies simply because we are able to admire a man or woman of the same sex. Perhaps within the confines of that given A/B option, but in reality, we'd be living in a very..... decidedly plutonian world if we couldn't see the better qualities of our peers.

At the end of the day, Grant Morrison has very casually tossed around this claim to grab attention, and has expressed his opinion that to be gay is to be alienated. We are to make of this what we will, and that was his goal, I imagine.
SockMonkey
SockMonkey - 4/29/2012, 6:11 AM
@teabag & this one...

SockMonkey
SockMonkey - 4/29/2012, 6:15 AM
Kane, with input, modified Batman's (preliminary) design because it was too circus-like, bright and garish. Then Robin was introduced and they didn't have the same trepidations with his costuming - he even was a circus orphan.

Sherlock Holmes and Watson (relationship also discussed by some) were a primary inspiration for the Batman as was Douglas Fairbanks (Swashbuckler).

Kane on gay Batman:

"Wertham read homosexuality into this thing because I had a man and a boy living in a big house together—in the same bedroom—with just a butler and no female around.

"It was all hogwash but I had to do something about it anyway. So I changed their bedrooms and I added Aunt Harriet—sort of a mother to both of them."

The TV show, IMHO, pushed perception the other way...

I also see interplay between the comics & non-comics Batman worlds.

Different creative forces that have contributed to the Batman mythos have some divergent thoughts on the topic and their influences should be considered.

I can't help but consider the sexual repressiveness of earlier times and how it sometimes outwardly expressed.

Intention? Perception? Becoming? Was? Is??

I was more a fan of Dr. Strange, Green Lantern and I really liked JLA.

I like Adam West's response for my general feelings on Batman overall - Gay, Straight or whatever, let them enjoy it.
DoodPool
DoodPool - 4/29/2012, 6:35 AM
@Tainted87

He throws around the term gay so freely because he has spent decades writing for Batman and has more reference and history with the character then just buying his action figures or seeing his movies.

Also how is Batman regarded as a "consummate professional"? if you read the comics for the past 25 years he is constantly questioning his ethics and his abilities, often he has screwed up and thought of calling it quits.

I love the character of Batman and i'm not trying to dissect him anymore then they have in the books, the godlike ultimate-good one step ahead batman makes for good cartoons and a couple movies to make a wider audience understand him, but the character in the comics isn't that one sided and is filled with doubt and sometimes loses.

Also if you resent me saying everyone has gay tendencies that's fine, You say tomato i say tomato. America is so rooted in homophobia i don't expect to change anyone minds on that one today.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 4/29/2012, 6:39 AM
Jesus, and still people dont understand what Morrison said.

He wasnt saying Batman was a homosexual. He was saying the whole concept had underlying gay themes, not that Batman himself is a homosexual...
DoodPool
DoodPool - 4/29/2012, 6:47 AM
@CorndogBurglar

I think they are more worried THEY could have some underlying gay themes lol.
RunDTC
RunDTC - 4/29/2012, 7:05 AM
Batman isn't gay, end of story.
Tajin88
Tajin88 - 4/29/2012, 7:20 AM
Is Batman gay? Of course, why not and while we are at it, Superman is also gay, really steeled gay and Ironman too, but he wasnt born gay, he was made to be gay and there is Hulk, who is "following" lil green male frogs. What am I saying, even Black Widow is gay! Whats next?!
DoodPool
DoodPool - 4/29/2012, 7:35 AM
@Tajin88

what?
DoodPool
DoodPool - 4/29/2012, 7:37 AM
@RunDTC
How definitive.
Tajin88
Tajin88 - 4/29/2012, 8:06 AM
Oh, I forgotten to say, the whole world is gay...

I second RunDTC!
DoodPool
DoodPool - 4/29/2012, 8:21 AM
@Tajin88

It's funny that you think that is such an exaggerated statement.
headlopper
headlopper - 4/29/2012, 8:45 AM
@SpaceCase- You're right.

@teabag -Ha-ha, you're the master.

@RunDTC- Exactly.

Batman's a jew, and black and a woman...but NOT gay.(satire}
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 4/29/2012, 9:05 AM
@DoodPool
I'm not debasing any claim that Batman may be gay. I think you completely misunderstood what I was saying, in fact.

You say Morrison has been writing the character for years? Sure. Then he should know how fans react to such brazen statements. He was being irresponsible.

My problem isn't with Batman being gay, and as Morrison even said, Batman is written as a heterosexual. My problem is that he is comparing the gay themes (and not just the golden age and silver age "undertones" which were there for all to see) to isolationism and alienation. I don't think he's saying that the fact that he dresses up in tights makes him "gay".

At any rate, he is casting homosexuality in a negative light. I do not like that. He claims it isn't in the prejorative sense, but I don't buy it. You don't like homophobia? Well I HATE homophobia, and his statements are only supporting it.
NotThatGuy
NotThatGuy - 4/29/2012, 9:06 AM
Batman is NOT gay.

TonyChu
TonyChu - 4/29/2012, 11:30 AM
Is Batman gay?
A.
B.
C.
D.
My answer:
ThunderKat
ThunderKat - 4/29/2012, 12:30 PM
Doodpool,

You are logically inconsistent. Remember you're applying your interpretations to both a fictional and real world.
By your logic, all athletes are gay. They essentially wear tights in showy colors. Boxers are mostly undressed and win a purse and a belt. Ridiculous.
Your comment about a mentor means that you do not understand the difference between mentoring someone and exploiting someone (sexually).
Saying that you admiration for a man is a sign of a gay tendency is preposterous. Is admiration for a strong woman a sign that you're gay or that you're a weak man? Where have you acquired your knowledge of flamboyance?
TheMyth
TheMyth - 4/29/2012, 2:05 PM
Corndog, dude you're wasting your breath. Not only does basic reading comprehension escape the majority but basic aspects of psychology as well. I knew homophobia was a bit out of control nowadays, but [frick] I had no clue it was this bad. I really don't even know where to start...
DoodPool
DoodPool - 4/29/2012, 3:43 PM
@Thunderkat
inconsistent with your opinion maybe :P I can't help the kind of ignorance of people who don't understand the word "pejoratively" and think Grant or my article are saying Batman is indeed a homosexual man, all i can say is i see the underlying gay themes or undertones as well and try to give people some perspective on how easy one can come to that conclusion in not just a superficial way. Also i do think there are "gay themes" in a bunch of grown men romanticizing athletes, if you don't see that i'll just blame the deep seeded sexual repression in America :) i'm not Freud but there is a spec of truth to everything. I don't get where people see Batman as sexually defined as characters like Tony Stark or Spider-man (can barely hold back his hard on when he sees black cat). Even superman who may seem more superficially gay on the surface has a muse in louis lane. Batman's muse is his Robin or his cause. I don't think Batman is gay though. though it wouldn't surprise me if he was.

@TonyChu
I guess a google search of batman making out is suppose to rewrite 20+ years of him dodging relationships in favor of isolation and running around in tights with his male companions. Well done but the pattern is these relationships go nowhere because of Bruce Wayne's Insecurities which warrant my article. How could he be the perfect image of his father if he didn't attempt to connect to women even if it doesn't come naturally to him.

@EsseXFactor

Yeah i thought these kinds of themes were plainly apparent in batman's continuity i'm shocked so many people don't get the point here.

@Tainted87
I see your point a little clearer but i think people are still filling in a lot of blanks. I don't see anything Morrison said as insinuating "to be gay is to be isolated" or i don't think he is portraying homosexuality in a negative light by saying batman emotionally favors the affection of Alfred/robin or that he is automatically a pedo or something. Gran is describing hang ups unique to Batman in which he feels in the long run of the character have turned into some gay undertones as well as the built in flamboyance of costumes and such. i don't think he's making these comments superficially i think he has a deep understanding of the character and feels okay making such judgement. At least we can agree that He's not just calling batman Gay as a derogatory term like most users here think.

Thanks for the input guys i'm gonna try to stop reading the comments now so i don't have a aneurysm. i'm sure you understand. I highly recommend people read the comics where you can delve deeper into the psyche of batman along with the authors. There are always deeper insights into what makes Bruce Wayne tick, try Batman RIP by Grant Morrison :)
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 4/29/2012, 4:34 PM
@essexfactor

Yeah I guess your right man. Im not even saying I agree with Morrison, but shit, at least I understand the point he was trying to make.

But you have idiots posting pics of Batman making out with female characters and others trying to prove that Batman likes women, when that isn't even what Morrison was talking about.

Morrison even said he didnt mean it in the pejorative sense, and that Batman is obviously written as heterosexual. it cant be any more clear than that. Yet morons see the words "Batman" and "gay" in the same sentence and all of a suddeb lose they lose they're shit. Seriously? How about you idiots learn how to understand what you're reading before you make asses of yourselves by posting these idiotic comments.
TheMyth
TheMyth - 4/29/2012, 4:52 PM
Corndog, LMAO! YES! "Hey look at Bat's makin' it with this hawtie! Ur gay bro!" Dumbest shit ever. And, c'mon, you really think half the flamers know what 'pejorative' means? And lets entertain them for a minute, lets say Morrison was claiming that Bat's is gay, you think Bats would be the first gay person to feel ashamed or the need to hide it or prove to themselves that they weren't? Having sex with women does not make you hetero by default. I better stop before I add to the ignorance, as Morrison in NO WAY IMPLIED that the character himself was gay or that it would be a bad thing if he was.
marvel72
marvel72 - 4/29/2012, 6:17 PM
TonyChu
TonyChu - 4/29/2012, 8:04 PM
Dude calm down it was a joke. sheesh
TonyChu
TonyChu - 4/29/2012, 8:08 PM
So since you want a logical answer her goes:
Batman is not gay, like you said there can be some homosexual undertones that could be applied to him. For instance Robin, there are so many instances where it seems that Dick and Bruce have sexual tension. Hell there is even a book about this very same subject. But honestly no Batman is not gay. He never acted on any gay impulses and adopted Dick, Tim, and Jason out of the goodness of his heart. Not because he wanted some ass. Hell, he even had a kid with Talia al Ghul. BATMAN is not gay!
TonyChu
TonyChu - 4/29/2012, 8:09 PM
edit:here goes
Hellsing
Hellsing - 4/30/2012, 3:10 AM
Wait beacause I look up tp my father tgat makes me gay lol wtf and my brothers gay, last time I checked wasn't wearing flamboyant tights and going out.
JoshuaAaronB
JoshuaAaronB - 4/30/2012, 10:16 AM
He has sex with women they said. He can't be gay, they said. But on a real note, I think looking at too many comics has effected the ability to read paragraphs in some of you. He wasn't calling Batman gay but saying that the concept is gay and there is a sense of homosexuality in Batman. Many gay men have deep rooted daddy issues that they try to solve by doing whatever they can to make their dad proud and to replace their missing relationship with other men. These are both things that Batman has done through just becoming a superhero and by having a young boy and an older man as his main form of company. As for the fans what I'm reading is something akin to homophobia. No one called him gay but you feel the need to scream that he's straight? Also the fact that some people feel that they "know" Batman better than someone who writes his laughable. Besides it's just his opinion. You have the right to disagree but all this hate is ignorant.
ThunderKat
ThunderKat - 4/30/2012, 11:39 PM
I find it completely ridiculous that you portend to know what is flamboyant. I also find it ridiculous that you say admiration of athletes is homosexual in nature.

False idolatry is a problem in society. Admiration for another man's success in athletics is simply respect and awe of that individual's abilities. If you are implying that is sexual in nature, then, in your view, everything has sexual undertones.
Trapdinsteel
Trapdinsteel - 5/1/2012, 6:38 PM
@DoodPool

In the quote Morrison is definitely insinuating that he thinks Batman as a character is a homosexual.

By saying things like "Gayness is built into Batman.
"I'm not using gay in the pejorative sense, but Batman is very, very gay. There's just no denying it." "All these women fancy him and they all wear fetish clothes and jump around rooftops to get to him. He doesn't care - he's more interested in hanging out with the old guy and the kid."

Sure he mentions homo-erotic themes by noting the fetish based costumes but he is most certainly saying that he thinks Batman is sexually invested in men instead of women. He is essentially saying "I think Batman is gay, but that is ok because I mean it literally and not in a derogatory way."

I disagree with his assessment as well as yours for the following reasons.

Robin
The only reason Robin was introduced in the first place was to keep the attention of the young male readers so they could envision themselves as Robin carrying on adventures with the person they looked up to...Batman. As Kane himself said, once they realized people were assuming homosexuality they tried to remedy that image. I will come back to the topic of Robin in a moment.

Alfred
I would argue that Alfred is both a father and mother to Bruce in absence of his birth parents. He prepares Bruce's meals and tends to his wounds, he scolds him when it is necessary and supports him when it is required. Alfred is everything to Bruce because he full fills both parenting roles to him and one could argue that without Alfred's balanced guardianship, Bruce probably could have ended up as a criminal on the streets of Gotham.

The Role of Women in Bruce's life
Bruce does not keep women around for long because he does not have the luxury of a normal life. From time to time he has on and off relationships with Selena, Talia, Vicki and others but they never work out. This is not because he is gay, it is because they make him vulnerable. To remain Batman, Bruce must constantly be focused, disciplined and immersed in the darkness of Gotham City. As long has he is Batman, he has cursed himself with not having a normal life because there could be someone out there causing the pain that was caused in his life. His curse is his duty to focus his efforts on protecting the weak from the wicked instead of the commitment to a full fill a woman's needs and keep her happy. His curse is not related to being gay.

Robin continued
Since Bruce is married to his self appointed role of Gotham's protector and not a woman, Batman knows that he would not likely father a child (at least early on before Damien) So Robin is his legacy, his chance of being a father just as Alfred adopted him. Someone who he sees his own childhood pain in, and someone that he can either let become a victim to the streets or become a part of his legacy of determination and justice. Just as Alfred was his guardian, he takes on this role with the different Robins. Of course, they are mostly young boys. Bruce can relate to that because he was once that young boy without guidance. And of course he loves these kids who are essentially his sons making this very different from your Michael Jackson analogy of inviting kids to play at his ranch because he didn't have a childhood.

Besides over sexualizing the father/son dynamic with Alfred/Dick you are also inconsistent with your assessment because you fail to discuss the female robin characters within the history of Batman incarnations in addition to Batgirl and other female characters that are prevalent.

I'm pretty sure that anyone can baldly state then any character anywhere is gay. They aren't doing anything gay? repression. They say they aren't gay? denial. They are banging away on the opposite sex? self flagellation. They leave it unsaid? obsession.

However, we read into this character (just like all other fiction/fantasy characters) what we individually want to see. I have expressed above how I read into the character and that in it self is an assessment of my way of thinking just as you contemplating the possibilities of his homosexuality is an assessment of your.

While your analysis and Morrison's seems closer to that of Fredric Wertham in being certain that Batman is shrouded in homosexual tones, you and Morrison are the modern view saying that is ok while Wertham's assertions were in the 50's and riddled with fear and condemnation. This seems like an accurate barometer of the social progress of the matter. What you all fail to realize is that Batman is intriguing to the gay community not necessarily because he is attracted to men but rather that he was one of the first characters of his popularity and reach to be attacked for being gay throughout the years and he has persevered.

At the end of the day though while Morrison's Batman may be gay and your concept of him might fall in line with that assessment, Batman's creator Bob Kane is one among many in a continuing list of writers who assert that their interpretation of Batman was never gay.
TITSandGORE
TITSandGORE - 5/10/2012, 7:29 AM
Look I grew up without a female role model. And that has effected me. I like me some females but not for very long doses. Like every relationship I've experienced turned to shit within a year so [frick] it. I'll just mess around that makes me happiest anyway. I wanna be like [frick]in that real famous guy who played in taxi driver! Ya know? And that's why I can relate to Bruce Wayne. Yeah he's a bit of a womanizer but shit. That's why he's a [frick]in badass he's a player mayne! I know grant Morrison is just playin everybody but if not [frick] him. He shouldn't be writing batman if all he can think about is gay shit. There's SO much more that could be done with the character than to get wasted on shit like that. But of course they prolly want him to stir the pot. Idgaf I'm out.
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