Is ethnicity really such a big thing?

Is ethnicity really such a big thing?

My thoughts on how ethnicity of characters frequently change in comic book movies, and when it is just in being done.

Editorial Opinion
By BigBlackCockEater7 - Dec 10, 2010 05:12 PM EST
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Whenever Hollywood studios adapt a comic book franchise for the big or even the small screen, there are always some changes fanboys allow to pass however in some instances this isn’t the case. One of the most controversial changes that Hollywood incorporates with comic book movies is; a change in ethnicity.

Now admittedly, it is understandable why this is done; seeing as how most superheroes were introduced round the 40’s and 60’s it was usual to have a predominantly white cast, so sometimes, in order for a movie to appeal to mass audiences, some character’s skin colour is altered.

However, Hollywood seems to be very brash with this choice, and most of the time it appears this change is done randomly and without any thought of the context surrounding the characters.
Here are my cases which justify this;

1. Harvey Dent aka Two Face - Billy Dee Williams



First things first, forget that Billy Dee Williams is a black man. When the hell did Harvey Dent ever have a moustache? Fair enough they cast Billy in the role, but couldn’t they tell him to shave? Secondly, was it really necessary to have Dent as a black man? Billy Dee Williams is a very charismatic actor, and it is admittedly fitting that he was cast as Harvey Dent, seeing as how he was on screen for 10 minutes, I see it personally that his talents weren’t properly used. Essentially he would have been suited in the role of Lucius Fox, seeing as how that is another role that requires a certain amount of charisma.
Overall, I personally feel this was one of the instances where a change in ethnicity wasn’t needed, and they literally should have cast someone else as Dent, as kept Billy as Fox, however it is understandable, as looking back at the film he probably was the only good black guy in the whole film…

2. Nick Fury - Samuel L. Jackson



This is one of the cases where I gladly accept a change in ethnicity, because it wasn’t Hollywood that created this change but rather the main source itself; Marvel in this case. Seeing as how Samuel L. Jackson is a very charismatic actor, and has the right presence needed for a character like Fury, it’s understandable and justifiable why he was used as a model for the Ultimate take on the character, and later cast in the role. Whereas, there are some of you that may disagree with me and think a white Nick Fury would’ve been just as popular, I concur, seeing as how David Hasselhoff’s Nick Fury was a pretty cliché character and left a bad taste in audience’s mouth.
With Jackson, Marvel has a very unique aspect of a comic book character to explore, seeing as how Fury was around since the 40’s, I imagine they’re basing him of Isaiah Bradley (the black Captain America) and this can help explore the racial tensions present at this time. This essentially allows the comic book genre to once again delve into more adult territory, and adds a lot more realism to the characters; admittedly this is one of the few good things the Ultimate line provides. Nonetheless, Jackson’s Fury retains the classic Marvel Nick Fury’s attitude and spirit, but with a new twist and in this light, I feel it is an acceptable change.

3. Heimdall - Idris Elba



In the upcoming Marvel movie ‘Thor’ an Asgardian warrior, who is supposed to be white and looked Swedish, is being played by a black actor. Frankly this was a pretty damn stupid change, I really don’t have a clue how this was seen as an acceptable change. I mean, it is understandable to a degree, as the studio can’t portray all Asgardian’s as white people, as it would segregate other ethnically based audiences. But this still doesn’t’ explain how they are going to explain Heimdall being related to Sif, as she’s supposed to be his sister yet she’s white! I mean what the hell? Elba is a great actor, so maybe he will own the role, but this transition doesn’t feel natural as is Jackson’s, and it is due to this that I feel it is an unacceptable change.
Another problem that has arisen from Elba being cast in this role, is now he can no longer be cast in any other Marvel Studios movies, frankly I imagine he would’ve been a great Blade, or War Machine, but this isn’t going to happen now.

Overall, as you could have probably guessed my view with changing ethnicity of characters is; if it wasn’t done in the comics, it shouldn’t be done on the big screen. However, there are a few exceptions, and this is with minor/unpopular characters that are frequently changed from one ethnicity to another, this is present with the character Janet Pym aka ‘Wasp’ who was originally a white woman, then was changed into a Japanese-American for the Ultimate line, and now for the big screen, it is mainly Latin actresses that seem to be getting approached for the role.

End of the day, maybe it’s just me making a fuss about all of this, hopefully I haven’t offended anyone with my comments, but I see myself as a bit of a hardcore fan, and only tend to accept such radical changes when they are encouraged by the original source; the comic books.
Well, sound off below and let me know what your thoughts are on the matter!

Peace!
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peralta
peralta - 12/10/2010, 7:37 PM
i think that as long as the actor does an amazing job, race or color dont matter.
yankeemanf
yankeemanf - 12/10/2010, 8:34 PM
nick fury is black in a comic series its not that they made him black 4 the movie...as for billy dee williams he wasnt in the movie long enuff 4 me 2 judge him but i think tommy lee jones was better and aaron eckhart (whom i didnt like as two-face but liked as harvey dent) was way better and i cant judge idris elba in thor yet cuz it hasnt come out yet and u 4got 2 mention michael clarke duncan playin kingpin in daredevil...imo he didnt have the kingpin criminal mastermind feel...all in all race doesnt matter that much but changin the whole character is horrible like ppl wanted donald glover 2 play peter parker/spider-man and have him be an urban kid in the projects which is somethin u cant do cuz u jus changedt he character

@earzmundo i think bruce willis wouldve been amazin and i think if they combined the black and white nick fury like they did on the new avengers animated series and had denzel washington play him it wouldve been epic


Ethic
Ethic - 12/10/2010, 9:17 PM
It doesn't bother me much really, but it is funny how it would never ever ever everrrrr happen the other way around.
InSpace
InSpace - 12/10/2010, 9:43 PM
I dont care about race,unless the Character is defined by it (Black Panter,Luke Cage,Mandarin,etc.) but as long it is done in taste and the actor portrays the character well it doesnt matter.For instance i wouldnt mind a black spider-man,it doesnt matter Spider-man isnt known for being white he's known for being a wiseass,which is why Donald Glover should of been at least given an audition.However if they were to change a white charecter no one will really care because there is already alot of white charecters.However if it is an asian,latino,or african american people will freakout.But if its done with class and makes sense (ie the actor is the best for the charecter even though its not his race).

But if its like Captain America being black or Superman being black,i will be mad,not cause im racist or whatever its because its a really really major character that has to be white sadly,but if they changed a minor charecters race i dont really care if it makes sense.I know I contradicted myself wih spider-man but Cap is in WWII so he has to be white story wise, and Supes is a classic character so you cant change him to much or youll taint him.But if were batman,initially i will be mad but if he is a really good actor then i will ease up to it.
Denn1s
Denn1s - 12/11/2010, 5:00 AM
most of you say you don't mind the color change. i am not a racist and i prefer the ultimate nick fury more than the 616 one, and michael clark duncan was awesome as kingpin, but would you wanna see a black superman? you know will smith was offered the role in Flyby, right? and he declined because superman is supposed to be white...
Angelus
Angelus - 12/11/2010, 6:05 AM
I dont know about Swedish but Scandinavian would be a better term.

BMP!
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 12/11/2010, 6:12 AM
WTF is the point of this article?

The fact is I don't wanna see a white BLADE, or a African American SPIDEY?????

Pretty much like I don't wanna see an ULTIMATE FURY in an AVENGERS movie... do a [frick]ing ULTIMATE movie for that lol!

Don't wanna see an ULTIMATE THOR either, or ULTIMATE HAWKEYE, ULTIMATE LIZARD, etc etc, so thats not about color, The ULTIMATE UNIVERSE is a sad pale version of the real MARVEL UNIVERSE, end of! : P

(I'm dealing with Fury as Fury's son from WWII lol)


The funny thing is... if CLOAK or BLACK LIGHTNING or JOHN STEWART or STORM was cast WHITE they'd be SH1T hitting the fan LOL! : p

Haha, we ALL know thats true!

I also wanna see SHANG-CHI Asian!

ELBA in THOR is cool, he's not a big or well known character, it wont take you out the movie!

Sad thing is... people don't mind if HOLLYWOOD casts CHRIS EVAN or JET LI as BLADE?

Okay then. : p

P.S. Horrible Harvey Dent btw, I never did like him, damn love him as LANDO though, they should have gone further with LANDO and CHEWIE damn you Fox lol!
yankeemanf
yankeemanf - 12/11/2010, 7:05 AM
@earzmundo i dont like omar epps that much but i think denzel is one of the best actors the lastl iek 20 years and has the rite look
marvelguy
marvelguy - 12/11/2010, 12:16 PM
Lee & everybody,

I sort of agree with you. The Billy Dee situation was he didn't want to do it or didn't sign beyond the Burton films. Kilmer's Bat-movie was so bad, there was no obvious connection that Tommy Lee and Billy Dee had played the same character.
A black Asgardian is really bizarre and silly. Beyond that, you can't change canon.
This article is pretty silly and needs polishing.

Reality is the more iconic characters are white. Does that mean we have to PC them for present day? No. That doesn't mean there aren't great non-white characters: Power Man/Luke Cage, Black Panther, John Stewart/Green Lantern, and Storm. When we start PC'ing things, they go awry. Remember Apache Chief, Samurai, and Black Vulcan/Lightning? Ridiculous. Adding Spyke to "X-Men: Evolution" was unnecessary. There are tons of non-white mutants.
I believe it's more important and exhibits more integrity to create new and meaningful characters rather than change a character that has been white for forty or more years. Minor characters are a different story. The general populace has no idea who Lucious Fox, Nick Fury, Harvey Dent, Punisher's sidekick, or Superman's high school friend is.
Come to think of it. "Smallville" is the one example of successfully changing Pete Ross and incorporating more non-white roles than any in the genre.
Again, the whole world knows that Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne, Peter Parker, Steve Rogers, and Reed Richards are white. Just the way it is.
I guess this should replace the above? :)
Bryanferryfan
Bryanferryfan - 12/11/2010, 12:35 PM
I just hope that they use Japanese actors for the live action version of AKIRA... not Chinese or Korean or Thai or Indian but real Japanese actors. Speaking Japanese not english. Do it with subtitles. I also feel that they did a great injustice when they cast a human to portray HOWARD THE DUCK! YOU MEAN THEY COULDN'T USE DONALD DUCK OR MAYBE THE DUCK FROM THOSE AFFLACK COMMERCIALS TO DO THE PART! COME ON MAN!
Ibz
Ibz - 12/11/2010, 12:59 PM
@Bryan well sorry to bring you the bad news but the akira movie isnt even going to be based in japan, its going to be based in america

and seriously do you know how much of ultimate influnece is already on the MCU, so dont like anything ultimate dont watch the avengers movie @LEEE
marvelguy
marvelguy - 12/11/2010, 1:18 PM
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yankeemanf
yankeemanf - 12/11/2010, 2:12 PM
@marvelguy exactly PC is bad and it shouldnt be done 2 any movies especially cbms and like u said there r a lot of great black super heroes that just arent mainstream....imo u shouldnt change a character's race jus 2 make that race happy i am white i wouldnt want ppl 2 change black characters white it shouldnt happen
BLADE4040
BLADE4040 - 12/11/2010, 3:16 PM
Personally I think that major characters in the comics
shouldnt be changed. Hemidall should've along with the
WARRIORS THREE,LADY SIF,JANE FOSTER,ODIN ETC should
remain white. True I'd like to see the ASGARDIAN race
as a whole mixed with color like the planet EARTH but
leave the main and supporting characters alone.

Those early BATMAN films were so bad I hardly noticed
that DENT character had been changed besides they got
it right now.

I dont see the problem with SLJ as NICK FURY they(MARVEL)created
the guy off of this guy phyiscally
and everything else. Their mixing ulitmate with 616
so FURY makes sense..it is what it is.

There's no need to change major characters like SUPERMAN,
BATMAN,SPIDERMAN,CPT.AMERICAN just come
out with BLACK PANTHER,LUKE CAGE,SUPER SAMUARI,
APACHE CHIEF,GANGBUSTER,and VULCAN to name a few
that covers a wide range of people of color .
thunderguy123
thunderguy123 - 12/11/2010, 3:37 PM
i say leave the comics the way they are it's been this way for 70 some plus years. there's a reason that there's no black,asian,or latino super-powered icons
gracing dc or marvel front covers.when heroes like superman,thor,batman,hulk,or any other iconic character you can think of when created none of those races would've been accepted if created.back in the 40's thru the early 70's racial tension was at an all time high
that world was alot different from the one we live in today. we all know that a combination of raw speed,strength,balance,an any other feat of phyiscal
ability easily rest with the people of color. look at
football,basketball,combat fighting,track and field
the real life super-humans are africian americans hands
down no contest. so let the(us) whites have the fantasy super-powered beings and the blacks along with what's
left for the others be the real life super powered beings!! leave the characters the way they are.. it's not broken and it doesnt need fixing. make the movies from the source material and they'll come black,white,red,brown and yellow.
marvelguy
marvelguy - 12/11/2010, 5:07 PM
Thunderguy,

All I can say is wow. I can see your point, but it's not well presented. Tell it to Michael Phelps, Lance Armstrong, golfers, tennis players, more than half of major league baseball, and most of hockey.

Yankee,

I agree. If you make Luke Cage white, make him female and you get Diamond Lil. It's way more important to make real heroes who happen to be non-white. It's cheap to go and re-make the icons.

To all,

Yes, race is a sensitive issue, but needs to be treated sensibly. Jackson is Ultimate Nick Fury. Again, he's not a major iconic player. If you turn Shazam black, most people know something's up! Even with a re-boot like "Star Trek," you have limits to the re-imagining. You don't make Sulu Irish, Scotty South African, or Spock a woman.


yankeemanf
yankeemanf - 12/11/2010, 5:47 PM
@thunderguy123 i see ur point but like idk like marvelguy said there r plenty of white professional athletes that r amazin as well im not sayin the superhero genre belongs 2 white ppl i think that characters that r white should stay white black characters should stay black and asian characters stay asian...im white and even i can see that white goku in DBE is wrong on every level
thunderguy123
thunderguy123 - 12/11/2010, 6:22 PM
marvelguy

you cant compare swimming,golf,baseball,and tennis
to football,basketball,fighting,and track an field.
the sports i mention has a combination of power,speed,
and grace. lance is a great story but the guy rides
a bike you cant compare him phyiscally to kobe bryant
or terrell owens. hockey is one of the few sports out
side the ones i mention that comes close to that combination,
but take the skates of no one in nhl
could keep up with a chris johnson or adiran peterson
in a foot race. years ago they did an article on warren sapp now he's
6'1" 310lbs and at the time of the article
the guy could two hand dunk a basketball. im not saying
whites arent good alhletes but compared to blacks there
is a gap and blacks are head and shoulders above most
races it's just a fact. baseball the last time i checked was full of
latinos im not a fan so im not sure.
bottom line leave black characters black white white lations
and so on.
if you have a problem with superman
being white or blade being black get creative come with
a hero to your own liking and see if you can sell the idea to the general public.
Drykilllogic22
Drykilllogic22 - 12/11/2010, 8:04 PM
@Fuccmaturity..The other way around?..Have you seen dragonball or the last airbender? Hell even the old show Kung-Fu, which bruce lee wrote but they replaced him with david carradine because he was too asian..lol
SkylerMystwood
SkylerMystwood - 12/12/2010, 1:15 AM
The truth is, the majority of the great CBM comics debuted back in the 40's, 50's, and 60's, when racial issues were in full bloom. For this reason, most of the most iconic heroes were portrayed as white. And now, 50+ years later, Hollywood is embracing comic books as fresh source material, and having to deal with that issue.

I grant you, the most iconic heroes must stay true to their origins. (I wouldn't want to see a black Cyclops or a white Storm in an X-Men movie, for example.) But racial changes to minor or supporting characters to help bring the mythos into modern times is a good thing.

I, for one, happened to enjoy the Michael Clark Duncan take on Kingpin in the Daredevil movie. He had the build, the attitude, and captured the spirit of the character for me. Skin color was not an issue.

I'm a comic book fan, but I'm not well versed on Thor, so making Heimdall an African American doesn't bother me in the slightest. I just hope that not every feature film to come featuring actors of color need embrace the old names given to such heroes. (Black Falcon, Black Lightning, Black Panther, Black Canary... (Oh wait, she was white. ;))

You get my point. I think the majority of Americans have moved passed the racial issues of the 40's and 50's by now. I do want to see a Black Panther movie, as well a Luke Cage and others, portrayed with dignity and sticking true to the source material.
Ethic
Ethic - 12/12/2010, 4:15 PM
Drykilllogic22
I didn't mean other way around as in any race i meant back and white, people are waaay too sensitive with those specifically.

And dude, Dragonball and The Last Airbender are 2 of the biggest fails in film history lol, and the race changing was part of that. And Kung Fu existed in a time when racism was more common in the film and tv industry so thats's no shock at all.
HotHead
HotHead - 12/18/2010, 10:31 AM
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