Thomas Jane Talks About The Punisher Movies

Thomas Jane Talks About The Punisher Movies

In an exclusive interview with MTV, Jane talks about his own experience playing Frank castle in the 2004 Punisher as well as his feelings on the follow up/reboot, Punisher: Warzone..

By MarkCassidy - Oct 07, 2009 11:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Punisher
Source: mtvsplashpage.com

When Thomas Jane was approached to star in Lexi Alexander's Punisher movie, he declined citing "creative differences". In this interview with MTV he tells us why, among plenty of other things...

"My interest has always been based more in reality than in superhero fiction, and with the original 'Punisher' I very much pushed them to try to make a movie that was more like 'Death Wish' or 'Taxi Driver' than 'Spider-Man,'" Jane told MTV News. "The strengths of 'The Punisher' that I did lie in the reality that we were able to bring to the character, and the weaknesses of 'The Punisher' I did were all based on people trying to make this a 'comic book movie'—with funny characters and goofball s--t that has no place in a 'Punisher' film."

"'Punisher 2' went more in the direction of goofball comic-book world than in reality," he said. "The portraits of Punisher that Tim Bradstreet did, that’s the movie I want to see. [Those portraits] have a reality, grit and truth to them, and I think every 'Punisher' fan out there agrees with me. That’s what I was pushing for and that’s why I dropped out of 'Punisher 2'—because I’m not going to make a 'comic book movie.' It’s just doing a disservice to Frank Castle."

"Frank Castle has not got his due in the film world," said Jane. "I feel like it's been left unfinished."

"['The Dark Knight'] made $500 billion at the box office, so I felt vindicated—because everybody in the business who was familiar with what I was trying to do with 'Punisher 2' recognized that as the tone I was going for in 'Punisher 2,'" explained Jane. "Now that somebody actually accomplished that and put it on film and it received that response from the audience—[that] validates the idea that a Frank Castle movie needs to be a gritty, reality-based film."

"Everyone gets it backwards," he said. "The 'Punisher' comic is striving for a sense of reality. They’re not striving for a sense of 'comic book.' So in the film, you can actually take the reality element further—not the comic book element. You don’t want to strengthen the idea that it’s a comic book in film, because film gives you the chance to actually bring it one step closer to reality—and that's the direction that 'Punisher' wants to go in."

Well. I have to say I'm not too sure what the heck Jane is on about here! I mean I though Punisher: Warzone was a steaming pile of shit and I much preferred Jane's effort, but wasn't his movie the one with the silly comic relief characters? Warzone at least attempted gritty..well, it had peoples heads exploding, and called it gritty.

What do you think? Should The Punisher distance himself from the comic book universe? I mean, he does interact with the super heros, even if he isn't one of them. I think it might be better to embrace his comic roots, while still being as gritty as possible. How cool would it be to see castle turn up in another Marvel movie?

Thanks to MTV for the quotes.

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LEEE777
LEEE777 - 10/7/2009, 11:59 AM
He is the PUNISHER!!!
bleedthefreak
bleedthefreak - 10/7/2009, 12:02 PM
i heard somewhere that he died it was late though so maybe i dreamed that part
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 10/7/2009, 12:03 PM
WARZONE was the second worst MARVEL movie, you know the first! ; D

They soooo [frick]ed it up it wasnt funny!!!

JANE should do a HBO live series,,, I think WARZONE has killed anymore PUNISHER movies!

LEEE777
LEEE777 - 10/7/2009, 12:05 PM
Bleed @ You dreamnt it!!! : D

MatchesMalone
MatchesMalone - 10/7/2009, 12:09 PM
I'm probably the only person on this site that actually likes Punisher:Warzone, but I do see what he's saying. There were corny elements to both, and I own both movies, but I thought Warzone felt more like an Ennis/Dillon Punisher comic to me than the Tom Jane version. I don't know wtf he's talking about with the "comic book movie" shit. It's based on a f*ckin' comic book! After three efforts, maybe they should just use Frank as an ancillary character in other Marvel movies being that no Punisher fan is satisfied 100% with any of the flicks. Well work is over for the day, so I'm out. Talk to you guys tmrw.
bleedthefreak
bleedthefreak - 10/7/2009, 12:10 PM
thought so i swear i heard Thomas Jane found dead in his apartment. any way why did they ditch Jane that whole movie was great what made them reboot
Hellmont
Hellmont - 10/7/2009, 12:11 PM
I think that producers have to understand the character so that they may designate the correct writers and Director for the film.

Thomas Jane is dead on the money. Its just sad the rest of the film crew wasnt.

Hollywood is a joke no wonder we begin to see more talent flowing back into TV and cable series because Hollywood is out of its goddamn mind all that they produce is crap.
SirExcalibur
SirExcalibur - 10/7/2009, 12:14 PM
You're right LEEE He IS Punisher! I loved his film. And I think his idea here is great, to give the Punisher that Nolan style reality would be really cool. Just imagine the Crime Drama feel we got from TDK, and take that and turn it even darker and bloodier with Punisher. Idk bout' you, but that makes me feel fuzzy inside hehe... lol
superdog
superdog - 10/7/2009, 12:15 PM
i liked the dolph lundren version the best. there i said it. whatcha gonna do about it?
SuperSkrull
SuperSkrull - 10/7/2009, 12:19 PM
Yes. The Punisher has stated on many occasions that he has no respect for the costumes. He holds them in contempt. To make a film where he is cast as one of them would be a slap in the face of a great character.
wheat4
wheat4 - 10/7/2009, 12:20 PM
I enjoyed warzone thought ray stevenson did a good job, good b movie.
HeckYeah
HeckYeah - 10/7/2009, 12:21 PM
I agree with Jane 100%....I am not a big fan of seeing the punisher teaming up with Spider-man or a dancing Peter Parker
screams
screams - 10/7/2009, 12:21 PM
I feel like the only person who liked Warzone. It wasn't great, but it gets better the more I watch it. I like the action in it. All Punisher movies are great!
Phinehas
Phinehas - 10/7/2009, 12:22 PM
I think Jane's thinking is right-on here. When he says "comicbook" (although Punisher started in comics) he means campy. Although it had more bloodshed or gore, Warzone was still campy. I think he was right to turn it down and Lionsgate wrong to make it.
frankster
frankster - 10/7/2009, 12:22 PM
The only thing that could save Thomas Jane and the good 2004 film would be to make it a hardcore "sopranos" type series on HBO. It could pick up where 2004 left off with him starring and probably build up enough momentum to make back to the theatre for a sequel eventually.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 10/7/2009, 12:23 PM
Find you and neuter you!;)

This was Warzone...

Kill. Kill. Swear. Kill. Mumble. A Cliche. Kill Kill. Kill.Swear. Kill. Kill. fade to black.

Is that a movie? Thats a [frick]ing joke! No plot, no character, no NOTHING.
FORTAPACHE
FORTAPACHE - 10/7/2009, 12:25 PM
Sounds like he just wants to play at being Charles Bronson. Didn't the Punisher originate in a Spiderman comic?Shouldn't distance itself too much from the source
Phinehas
Phinehas - 10/7/2009, 12:31 PM
Understood, MPP. But Hollywood types like Jane who've been in the industry for over 10 years, speak from their own understanding. They undoubtedly loose touch with the "outside" world to varying degrees. Ultimately, I get the context of what he's saying and I love it! More like "Death Wish" or "Taxi Driver"?? That's awesome! Who am I to quibble over a poor choice of words, when I know what he means?
StephenStrange
StephenStrange - 10/7/2009, 12:32 PM
OH NO HE di-int just blame his movie fail on the comics.

The main thing that is unrealistic about Punisher comics is that the guy never gets killed. Also there's the endless clip and the bad guy can't shoot straight thing, but that's common in popular media.

So of they wanted to make it more realistic, maybe an ass full of lead would be in order instead of dumping on his origin and making the whole damn movie abotu vengence against one guy.
ElBicho
ElBicho - 10/7/2009, 12:33 PM
Whoa whoa whoa...

Dolph Lundgren killed Punisher way before Jane or Stevenson.

Jane and Stevenson each brought something unique to their roles.

I liked both movies. Yeah, I said it.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 10/7/2009, 12:34 PM
Take care @ MATCHES!

Problem with WARZONE was....

Why bother even bringing in MICRO in his 1st ever movie appearance just to kill him off???

How can a one and a half PUNISHER TASK FORCE capture FRANK that easy after all these years???

JIGSAW was so under used as a character, an again first movie appearance killed off!!!

WARZONE was a waste of space! RAY made a good PUNISHER!! But most of the rest sucked!

This and the use of VENOM makes me real bitter about WOLVERINE!


All three are my most favorite comic book MARVEL characters and all Three was mis-used for the movies!

Lets just hope GREEN LANTERN dont get [frick]ed up, heck it wont, DC does quality these days.

End of the day WARZONE was one of the worst MARVEL movies ever made, and it couldve been one of the best!!

Im a die-hard PUNISHER fan so WARZONE really stunk!
thwhtGuardian
thwhtGuardian - 10/7/2009, 12:36 PM
As much I love Ray Stevenson, he was awesome in Rome, warzone waas just bad. I think what he means about warzone being more goof ball was the fact that it had a definite comic book style villain: Jigsaw. I know he's a punisher classic but the reality is you can't survive the accident that created him, and the make up or cg they used to ring him to life in the movie looked just plain bad.
The Jane punisher on the other hand had its goofy comic relief, but almost all action movies have that. To me jane is right when he says punisher isn't exactly your stereotypical comic character. The books, especially he warzone journals, have always tried to portray him more as an action hero than a comic book hero.
There is a definite difference, you can have a comic book about a hero with out the hero being "comicy". And i think punisher movies should alays strive to do that. A person should be able to watch a punisher movie with out ever thinking that it was based on a comic, it should look just like an awesome stalone style action movie, and I don't think that would be a disservice to the character at all.
ClintEastwood
ClintEastwood - 10/7/2009, 12:40 PM
He needs to get off his high horse.
supermarioworldE
supermarioworldE - 10/7/2009, 12:41 PM
To call warzone terrible is a compliment. Jane was a good punisher, and his film paved the way for good, if not great sequels. I don't know why some people hate the first one. You'd be lying if you said you weren't hyped when you saw the russian go against castle. Marvel has it's good moments, but they completely swept punisher under the rug as one of their "dirty little secrets". BS. I love punisher, and they keep bringing him down lower and lower

man i hate hollywood
StephenStrange
StephenStrange - 10/7/2009, 12:41 PM
That being said.. Thomas jane was my favorite Punisher. I like the guy. His acting isn't anything special, but he has a sort of tough guy charisma
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 10/7/2009, 12:42 PM
ROR @ I gotta agree, it would be sweet if he did turn up in another MARVEL Universe movie, FOX'S DAREDEVIL spring to mind, but that cant happen, only Lionsgate Marvel movies, i suppose MAN-THING 2 will have to do lol! : D

Thumbs up, ahhhh makes me wanna see PUNISHER again heh.
Phinehas
Phinehas - 10/7/2009, 12:42 PM
MPP-He didn't direct it nor produce it. He probably was given more power in his contract, along with promises that the sequel would contain more of what he wanted. Much like Jackman became a producer of Shnick Shnick. But they gave him a big "up yours" and fired him!

I don't really know that for sure. I'm grasping at the wind...
StephenStrange
StephenStrange - 10/7/2009, 12:43 PM
He sure beats old Dolpho!!!
shibazz
shibazz - 10/7/2009, 12:47 PM
Stevenson was the better Punisher. get with it LEE777
antz1104
antz1104 - 10/7/2009, 12:52 PM
Even though Ray Stevenson was physically a more accurate Punisher, Tom Jane was hands down a better one. His movie was a great kickoff point, and Warzone took a giant dump on that.
thwhtGuardian
thwhtGuardian - 10/7/2009, 12:53 PM
A tv series would be perfect Multi, something on hbo. Punisher really lends himself more to an episodic format than a movie, it's just the nature of his character.
JerusalemJr
JerusalemJr - 10/7/2009, 12:55 PM
I think what he means by "comic book movie" is a sense of unreality, things that are not physically possible or lean more towards a sense of fantasy. To me it sounds like he doesn't want it to be comic bookish, more like it is reality.

I could be wrong but thats what it seems like he is saying, which I agree with in the case of the Punisher.
StrangerX
StrangerX - 10/7/2009, 12:55 PM
He's right Warzone did bring in more of the comic element. THey had people heads blowin off and shit. Jigsaw could have been less comicy.

IDK I really would like to see Punisher team up with another hero in a movie though.
FORTAPACHE
FORTAPACHE - 10/7/2009, 12:55 PM
yep MPP, a Punisher cable series for def is the way to go, I want them to do flashbacks to the Born storyline too!
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