Will Avatar 4 And 5 Happen? Only If James Cameron Can Make Them "Cheaper And Shorter"

Will Avatar 4 And 5 Happen? Only If James Cameron Can Make Them "Cheaper And Shorter"

After Avatar: Fire and Ash "only" grossed $1.4 billion at the global box office last December, Disney is reassessing the best way to approach James Cameron's planned fourth and fifth chapters.

By JoshWilding - Apr 09, 2026 04:04 AM EST
Filed Under: Avatar
Source: The Wrap (via SFFGazette.com)

Avatar: Fire and Ash may have grossed $1.4 billion worldwide. However, after the runaway success of Avatar ($2.9 billion) and Avatar: The Way of Water ($2.3 billion), the threequel was considered a disappointment, especially as it cost $350 million to shoot and an additional $150 million to market.

While the movie still turned a profit, Disney is understandably concerned about continuing to invest in the sci-fi franchise amid concerns of diminishing returns moving forward. 

According to The Wrap, while the House of Mouse isn't giving up on Pandora, conversations are taking place about how to make future Avatar movies "cheaper and shorter." The idea is that they would be a less risky investment, especially if the franchise's days of breaking box office records are over.

The trade spoke to a member of the Avatar team, who said, "It’s bulls–t that the movie made $1.5 billion and people are acting like it’s 'Ishtar.' There’s not a guarantee that they’re all going to make $2 billion. The trilogy has made $6.7 billion, which averages more than $2 billion per film."

Another insider pointed the finger at Disney for Avatar: Fire and Ash's failure to recapture the same box office success as the first two movies.

Apparently, they felt the rollout was too similar to Avatar: The Way of Water. The concern was that audiences would feel they'd already seen Fire and Ash, and there's no denying that there was a noticeable lack of buzz ahead of its release in theaters. 

"There was no anticipation," one insider told the trade. "They literally used the same playbook [as for 'The Way of Water']. By not making it an event, it crippled the movie."

Despite this level of uncertainty, it's said that scenes for Avatar 3 and Avatar 4 were shot during production of Avatar: Fire and Ash, with around 22% (a very specific number) of the fourth chapter already in the can. Cameron enlisted Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver to write the second and third movies, with Josh Friedman and Shane Salerno tasked with shaping four and five.

There's even some uncertainty about Disney moving forward with plans to bring Pandora to Disneyland in California. Now, it's thought that a Zootopia attraction will take its place after the sequel easily outgrossed Avatar: Fire and Ash last year. 

Doing the rounds to promote the threequel last December, filmmaker James Cameron and the cast talked candidly about Fire and Ash potentially being the last Avatar movie. The director even mused about passing the franchise over to a younger director or finishing his five-movie story as a novel, despite the next two chapters being dated for December 2029 and December 2031.

Can Cameron make his Avatar sequels for less money and with shorter runtimes? And will he even want to? That's the big question right now, but it may be possible when those next instalments are "said to be as radically different from 'Avatar: Fire and Ash' as 'Star Wars' was from 'The Empire Strikes Back.'" Whether that translates to costing less to produce is another matter. 

Despite this uncertainty, another Avatar team member was quick to point out, "This time, I could see [Cameron] being like, I’m on a mission. I believe unequivocally that he will finish his five-film saga. Never bet against James Cameron..."

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HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 4/9/2026, 5:10 AM
"the threequel was considered a disappointment"

That's not a claim grounded in reality.
Anyways, its pretty unlikely that Cameron isn't going to move forward with Avatar 4 and 5. Cameron already said he is basically doing it, and the films are moving into active pre-production (not to mention they already filmed a sizeable chunk of the 4th film). I guess you could always say the status of the 5th is less certain, sure, but the 4th movie is already a fifth of the way filmed.
Patient2670
Patient2670 - 4/9/2026, 1:09 PM
@HeavyMetal4Life - Just remember, this is Disney we're talking about. They may not be as extreme as Warners (trashing Batgirl after it was complete), but they definitely have (and need to keep) a tighter leash on the pursestrings. And I don't think Paramount or Universal could afford to make these movies at this point. So Cameron doesn't have the leverage he once did. It's a strange time in the industry these days, so anything is possible. My bet is that if Disney demands smaller movies, that's when Cameron will hand it off to someone else, or walk away.
JusticeL
JusticeL - 4/9/2026, 5:22 AM
Avatar: Fire and Ash didn't have enough fire and ash.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/9/2026, 6:31 AM
@JusticeL - redoing the third act for Way of Water was such a weird choice. Would've fit better if the finale took place at the volcano. Visually more impressive too
JonAwesome
JonAwesome - 4/9/2026, 7:39 AM
@bkmeijer1 - 100% agree, the 3rd act was just a rehash and he still didn’t kill that Fuqer! Made the movie feel like a waste of time.
JusticeL
JusticeL - 4/9/2026, 11:39 AM
@bkmeijer1 - couldn't agree more.
theFUZZ008
theFUZZ008 - 4/9/2026, 12:39 PM
@JusticeL - I disagree. I felt there was too much fire and too much ash.
SuperClark
SuperClark - 4/9/2026, 6:10 AM
Yeah the novelty has worn off for most people. I like the franchise and I enjoyed F&A but this third chapter was literally an extension to TWOTW. Two & three is literally just one big film split into two parts.
Vigor
Vigor - 4/9/2026, 6:27 AM
@SuperClark - id agree with this
Vigor
Vigor - 4/9/2026, 6:30 AM
Finally watched this. While I loved it and was fully engrossed, I was bewildered at parts that felt eerily similar to avatar 2. Why have almost the exact same battles ? It basically felt like a bigger and badder "way of water"

What i find i love the most about avatar, is how it handles themes like family, xenophobia, grief, etc
Thats what brings me in to the film and locks me there. They can keep making these and id be happy. I just wish avatar 3 and 2 were more different


BTW varang was absolutely captivating. She might be my favorite navi
TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 4/9/2026, 9:06 AM
@Vigor - at this rate, Avatar 5 will just be Jake Sully telling his grandkids the story of Avatar 1-4 and we'll see flashbacks to those films for 4 hours.
Vigor
Vigor - 4/9/2026, 11:15 AM
@TheFinestSmack - lol!
SephirothUK
SephirothUK - 4/9/2026, 6:34 AM
All three of these films have been the very bleeding edge of VFX technology and that shit's expensive as hell. As well as the 10+ years of r&d - I can understand Disney being shaky when the general consensus is that while the films are very pretty, the story is meh
LSHF
LSHF - 4/9/2026, 7:17 AM
@SephirothUK - The visuals aspect (very pretty) is the only reason I watch the films: especially in 3D, since James can shoot 3D better than anyone (it seems).
SephirothUK
SephirothUK - 4/9/2026, 6:40 AM
With Star Wars and Marvel the movies can take a hit as long as the toys and parks and other stuff surrounding them make the real money (it's like 5x-10x more) - with Avatar it's mostly the movies themselves that make bank and that's risky
LSHF
LSHF - 4/9/2026, 7:18 AM
@SephirothUK - Good point!
Fogs
Fogs - 4/9/2026, 6:40 AM
Dude's been successful in the BO from the start.

Like it or not, there's no way they're killing this IP, might be the only one they still have guaranteed money right now.
TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 4/9/2026, 7:15 AM
There's also that whole thing surrounding Avatar where the franchise just isn't very good, the entire world is stolen from painter Roger Dean, and the plots are just stolen from stories like Pocahontas and Ferngully. That strategy isn't going to work multiple times.
LSHF
LSHF - 4/9/2026, 7:20 AM
@TheFinestSmack - I just watch them for the 3D visuals. I don't even care about the plot.
RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 4/9/2026, 8:40 AM
@TheFinestSmack - OMG it is Ferngully! That's actually hilarious.
dragon316
dragon316 - 4/9/2026, 9:08 AM
@TheFinestSmack - avatar makes it obvious it’s copy of other older movies with sci effect , but so is weapons is copy of monster summer , and monster summer and weapons copy of witches with turning kids into mouse twist more than one witch that’s it sinners is copy of Abigail and dusk till dawn in reverse humans trapped in barn vampires trapped outside then again didn’t see point vampires didn’t start fire to burn barn so they could enter in sinners kill humans keep musician to them self as planned
WEAPONXOXOXO
WEAPONXOXOXO - 4/9/2026, 7:58 AM
150 million for marketing! That's like 12 more missiles Trump could have used to kill civilians in Iran with!
Highflyer
Highflyer - 4/9/2026, 8:44 AM
There were certainly moments when I felt like Fire and Ash was just a different draft of second one.
dragon316
dragon316 - 4/9/2026, 9:11 AM
Avatar got lucky for it being three hour movie made billion are avatar fans still with series hard to say find out in sequel if it’s under three hours it could be length of movie it self three hours for movie less screens for it show in theaters two hours and less more screens more people will see it making three hours he got lucky made billion big risky chance yeah there expensive and obvious copy of movies and previous sequels before that avatar movies long and boring
vegetaray
vegetaray - 4/9/2026, 9:13 AM
Throwing the ~disappointment~ stuff around is surly an overstatement…The movie still brought in over a billion dollars. Thats not a failure in any scenario.

That being said, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that Disney wants to reign some things in. Each entry has had its production costs go up, while the earnings have gone down…Disney is a business after all and decreasing returns on projects they’re spending more money to make will surly draw some focus towards righting the trend before it gets out of control. They’ve had misses on their other multi-billion dollar IP’s like Marvel and Star Wars, but those projects have vast catalogues of spinoffs and extended stories to kind of fall back on if things start getting choppy…Avatar stands alone and will certainly be harder to dig out of a hole should it actually devolve into failure territory.

They have an entire land at Animal Kingdom, an are actively working on adding lands at two other parks…That doesn’t scream out ~cancel the franchise~ to me. This is all just them trying to mitigate things and head off possible negative trend before it becomes an actual problem…The next 2 movies are absolutely going to release.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 4/9/2026, 10:54 AM

Interest will continue to wane for these beautiful stupid movies.

Just imagine how much more money these movies would have made if they had actually been good or great instead of just pretty and hollow.


JayLemleAgain3X
JayLemleAgain3X - 4/9/2026, 10:57 AM
FINALLY! Someone might take some authority away from Cameron and these shitty movies. Visually spectacular, with a shitty story. And... BORING!!!

It's interesting that before #2 came out, and people were criticizing the negativity, avatar fanboys would talk mad shit. Now that #3 underperformed, people see how long and bad these movies are.
ThorArms
ThorArms - 4/9/2026, 11:09 AM
Longer runtimes = fewer showings

It's not Disney's fault that Cameron essentially made Way of Water 2. I actually did like the movie, but yeah they need to figure out something grand for part 4
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 4/9/2026, 1:37 PM
I was a mega fan of the first one back when it came out. Then, I rewatched it to prep for 2 and it wasn't as good as I remembered. Maybe it was just the magical experience of watching it in 3D that captured me the first time, and I was more impressionable. And then I watched 2 and that was just okay, too. I haven't even bothered with the third one yet because those trailers were boring af and 4 hours of that is not enticing. It got stale.
Lucasberg
Lucasberg - 4/9/2026, 1:54 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - my exact experience with 2 and 3. The first one I saw in 3D in theaters and was stunned by how kind of meh the whole thing felt to me.
DarthKratos
DarthKratos - 4/9/2026, 2:07 PM
Disney's broke..

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