STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER Editors Argue That THE LAST JEDI "Undid" THE FORCE AWAKENS

STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER Editors Argue That THE LAST JEDI "Undid" THE FORCE AWAKENS

There's been an argument that The Last Jedi "undid" many of The Force Awakens' creative decision, and that's a sentiment the editors of Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker seemingly agree with. Check it out!

By JoshWilding - Apr 07, 2020 03:04 AM EST
Filed Under: Star Wars
Source: Light The Fuse: A Mission: Impossible Podcast

The Star Wars sequel trilogy has been more controversial than anyone could have ever imagined, but one of Lucasfilm's strangest decisions has been to essentially make it all up as they went along. There was clearly never any sort of plan in place, and while that may have worked for George Lucas back in the day, it doesn't really fly in the time of modern blockbusters.

After J.J. Abrams teased a big reveal in The Force Awakens about Rey's parents and introduced the villainous Supreme Leader Snoke, Rian Johnson threw all of that out in The Last Jedi. His movie confirmed that her parents were nobodies and junk traders, while Snoke - whose "true identity" was a huge talking point among fans - was killed off in short order by Kylo Ren. 

Now, the editors of Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, Maryann Brandon and Mary Jo Markey, have said that they also felt the second instalment in the trilogy "undid" what came before. 

"I feel very much like, in hindsight, that the trilogy, the last part of the trilogy, needed one vision," Brandon said. Markey took things further, stating: "I couldn't agree more. It's very strange to have the second film...consciously undo the storytelling of the first film. I'm sorry, that's what it felt like."

Bizarrely, The Rise of Skywalker ultimately undid much of what we'd seen in The Last Jedi, creating a fractured trilogy of films which are almost certainly going to remain divisive...forever! 

What do you guys think?

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NathimusPrime
NathimusPrime - 4/7/2020, 3:46 AM
It's almost like when they set out to make a trilogy, they should have planned out a cohesive trilogy and not rushed one into production with vague open plot points and a gameplan of just passing it on to the next guy and seeing what they do with it.
Talontd
Talontd - 4/7/2020, 4:11 AM
@NathimusPrime - When Rian Johnson said there was "no big board, no directive on where to end up", that did it for me. What a mess. The blame for this lies squarely at the feet of Kathleen Kennedy. It was her job to ensure the trilogy was a cohesive set. What a mess it ended up...

Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 4/7/2020, 3:53 AM
It's very clear that was the intention.

And yet there are some fans that still argue that it doesn't reverse TLJ. I don't understand it.
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 4/7/2020, 4:05 AM
Why blame 8? 9's cast & crew just did a shit job. They chose to appease the toxic fanbase that was bullying kelly marie tran (rose) and hated 8. Instead of commiting to their original plans. Lucas Arts is as dumb as DC studios for making 9 with the intentions of choosing 1 side of a split fanbase over another.
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 4/7/2020, 4:09 AM
@mastakilla39 - Yes they did appease those who hated 8.

But to say all who hated 8 are the toxic fanboys who bullied Tran is reaching to say the least.

"Instead of commiting to their original plans"

What original plans? You honestly think Ryan left them a blueprint for where to go next?
Nebula
Nebula - 4/7/2020, 4:09 AM
@mastakilla39 - "Lucas Arts is as dumb as DC studios"
This whole comment just comes off as satirical.
AC1
AC1 - 4/7/2020, 4:08 AM
As a fan of the sequel trilogy, the biggest problem with them isn't how they exist in relation to each other - I actually quite enjoyed the ways each sequel subverted certain expectations set up by the last, while carrying through certain plot threads in ways that made sense.

Examples of this would be things like:
- Luke's arc: 7 establishes he's gone into a self imposed exile, so 8 naturally reveals he's lost faith in himself and the force and deals with his redemption, then his cameo in 9 shows that he's acknowledging his mistakes and is seeing sense.
- Snoke being set up as a threat in 7, only to be killed suddenly in 8 to establish that this is Kylo's story, and then the reveal in 9 that Snoke was a puppet/clone vessel for the Emperor to manipulate Kylo the entire time
- Rey's parents also kinda works - 7 establishes that she wants to find them and feels she's part of something bigger, 8 subverts this by Kylo saying that they were unimportant (which could also easily be a lie), and then 9 subverts that by saying that while her parents were pretty passive in the grand scheme of things Rey was part of a bigger legacy albeit a darker one, forcing her to make a choice and forge her own path.

The problems with these films lie elsewhere:
- The Force Awakens, while enjoyable and probably the most balanced overall, comes off as very derivative while also doing a bit too much "sequel-baiting"
- The Last Jedi, while arguably the most ambitious and original of the trilogy (possibly the saga), struggles with feeling overstuffed at times (the casino planet sequence) and stretching out certain plot threads (lightspeed tracking) at the expense of other threads that needed more focus (Luke's arc) and also made the film feel a bit bloated
- The Rise of Skywalker, while designed to be a crowd-pleaser and which did a fair job of trying to tie the saga together, came across as rushed, left way too much material out of the film leading to a reliance on other media (defeating the purpose of a film), fell into certain generic traps (the silly dagger-map subplot and how the entire ending was essentially a riff on Avengers Endgame), didn't commit to anything it set up (all the red herring deaths) and again left too many plot threads dangling (Finn being Force Sensitive).

There's so much potential in this trilogy and a lot of it was executed very well. I just feel like what we got wasn't the final draft. If they'd taken all these ideas, and then had a final look at them together and tried to make a plan around it, they could've refined it, made it more cohesive and also smoothed out the clumsier aspects of it.
Gmoney84
Gmoney84 - 4/7/2020, 6:05 AM
@AC1 - you make some very strong points here. I tend to agree with most of what you’ve outlined.
MutantEquality
MutantEquality - 4/7/2020, 7:15 AM
@AC1 - i stopped reading this the moment you said, "As a fan of the sequel trilogy"😑
Nebula
Nebula - 4/7/2020, 4:09 AM
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