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@UnderBelly - I agree

It’s unfortunate one has to clarify that nowadays.

@Pathogen - Well you can go [frick] yourself and get better educated. Hamas aren't their only opressors. I for sure disagree with their terroist tactics but this issue didn’t start in October.

@UnderBelly - This issue didn't start in 1948, either. Better educated? You should see my book library, there is a section on the middle east. I'm currently re-reading Son of Hamas for the 3rd time (its an easy read, go pick it up). I have been to the middle east many times since I was a child, to Israel, Jordan, Egypt. I'd say turkey, too, but that doesn't count.
What have YOU done, watch a few tik toks? Ride a bandwagon of online propaganda, maybe bought a keffiyeh to be part of the "cool kids"?

@UnderBelly - Pathogen is a zionist jew and supports genociding Palestine and labels any defense of Palestine as terrorism. He admits so in the comments below. Just in case you wanted to save yourself the time and didn't have time to read everything he wrote.

@UnderBelly - I know you don't. But criticizing them at all, even when they're carrying out a genocide, makes you "anti jewish" according to them.

https://x.com/JGreenblattADL/status/1717569380056207395?s=19

If that's the criteria then so be it though. I'd rather be called a name by people supporting genocide than support them carrying out a genocide. They ironically invoke the holocaust to justify the holocaust they are carrying out against Palestine and to justify warmongering.

As for Putin using a nuke....I wouldn't count on that. The only people who have ever used a nuke are the USA at the behest of zionists. I'd count on them/Israel using one before Russia or anyone else ever does. They're the only ones who have any precedent for it.

https://www.jewishpress.com/sections/features/features-on-jewish-world/the-jew-who-bombed-both-hiroshima-and-nagasaki/2016/03/10/2/

@UnderBelly - You can't be free of conflict until you excise both extreme factions..any terrorist group, whether funded by Iran or not, as well as the hard right government currently in power in Israel.
To hell with both of them.

I will not say [frick] you, no matter your stance, because that would negate a middle, peaceful attitude that is sorely lacking in the world

@Pathogen - "....I will not say [frick] you, no matter your stance, because that would negate a middle, peaceful attitude"

I 100% agree, so when you take back that 'i know better than you' attitude because you read your quota of books and been to a couple countries opposite a person with another view or background that doesn't align with your view of 'correct terminology' I'll be happy to rescind my [frick] you and meet you on common ground for an honest discussion. Until then, don't ever assume you know more or are better than the next person.

Just because i say 'Free Palestine' it doesn't mean i'm wishing death on the jewish community.

Peace be with you.

@HermanM - The existence of Israel is justified by a great many reasons. The superiority is not, and most Jews think this way. Forget the nonsense of "God's chosen people", and whatever archaic beliefs the religious ones can come up with.
Superiority of a people should never be the goal. I'm assuming you meant that, rather than defensive/offensive superiority, or the superiority of advancements/innovations, etc

@Pathogen - If you really want the supremacist ethnostate of Israel to exist, then how about building it in Madagascar or someplace where there's not already civilizations of people living for 1000s of years?

That was the jews' biggest mistake with Israel.

If you're a secular jew and don't believe in the chosen people mumbo jumbo and can let go of that, then why not let go of the claim from the same sources that says you're entitles to squat on somebody else's land and genocide the rightful inhabitants?

@UnderBelly - They cry out in pain as they strike you .....

@EmilioLargo - OK, so set it up in a place uninhabited by a civilization then, ifthey really insist on having it.

For decades, jews have lectured everyone on the evils of colonialism and apartheid, then they turn around and set up a place much worse than anything ever seen under either, they set up a literal supremacist ethnostate while claiming that they learned from history to not repeat the mistakes of the past.



Zionism is not colonialism: Israel is not making colonies of Palestine. It is trying to wipe it out and remove or kill the people who were there. This is not like European colonialism, which sought to administer and economically benefit from areas populated by non-Europeans. Israel's real colonies are the United States and Europe.

Zionism is not apartheid: Apartheid simply means separation. The two state solution is apartheid, and that is what everyone supports! And this makes sense. Because in a racial conflict, the most sensible solution is to separate the races. But Israel will never agree to this because they want all of the land. White South Africans and White Americans never had any intention of genociding Blacks. They simply wanted separation.

The truth is that Israel is a genocidal state. Its purpose is not economic exploitation or separation. Its purpose is the complete wiping out of another people and the taking of their land. There are no analogies to this in history.

@captainwalker - 100% agree

@UnderBelly - Will I convince you? Are you even open to me showing the flaws in your logic, understanding, and historical context?
Like a Trump supporter, truth matters very little once an opinion is formed in this conflict.
I'm all for open, honest conversation. But online trolls have nothing to offer besides regurgitated propaganda taken out of context or just flat out lies, or they latch on to an "a-ha!" moment when an exception to the rule happens in their narrative favor.
its silly.

@UnderBelly - Exactly so. Thank you for bringing that quote up. I haven't said what I know, but I definitely back up what I know to be true.
Most of your premise on Israel is incorrect. We can agree at the egregious loss of life, the horror being enacted. That the Israeli government is going too far, no matter the precautions it has taken, no matter how willingly Hamas is pushing its people into the line of fire.
We may even agree that Israel is losing this war, will lose even if they kill every terrorists member hiding behind the women and kids. They are now branded as the evil.
Unfortuantely, we will never agree on the root cause, on both sides. The extreme right of the Israeli government, and the willingness of Hamas to sacrifice its people, pay its people to die, etc..all in the vein of creating the myth that they are freedom fighters instead of the monsters they really are.

@UnderBelly - and please point out to me what i said about isreal that is factually incorrect...

@Radders - Judaism as it exists today is only about 2000 years old, however, this isn't a question of whose religion is older or whose deity is better, it is a question of one race genociding another and exploiting America into supporting them while they do it.

Judaism is not an open religion that seeks converts to evangelize/proselytize like Christianity or Islam, it is a closed religion centered around ethnic supremacy that operates the way the "made man" theory does in gangsterism; in short, unless you will be very beneficial to jews as a community, you can't convert to being a jew, you can only be born a jew. It is an ethno-religion and they will even tell you that. "I'm jewish but not religious," I'm sure you have heard this said. That's because it is a religion centered around an ethnicity or rather community.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32813056

The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few. The entire middle east and rest of the world being held hostage and thrown into chaos so that Israel can squat on land they believe is theirs according to the books they wrote about themselves is beneficial only to a tyrannical tiny minority of the world. In the interest of world peace, the jews should set up their vanity project, Israel, elsewhere if they are so bent on having their own supremacist ethnostate.

The jews were never the original people in Palestine, they were allowed to occupy a portion of it as a region of their own under the Roman Empire, until they tried to overthrow Rome again in 70 A.D. and lost it and were scattered abroad for 2000 years. Since then, natives in the region have been the majority there and it has become majority Arabic Muslim and Christian, home to the oldest Christian community in the world.

It is also a lie that it was never called Palestine, as the jews who lived there even referred to themselves as Palestinians in their own zionist propaganda films like the movie Exodus. If Palestine doesn't exist, what is the Balfour Declaration partitioning for the jewish Rothchilds for the zionist project? Official documents and everywhere prior to the turn of the century acknowledges it as Palestine and rightfully so.





The claim that Palestine never existed is a genocidal zionist strategy to deny a people their right to self determination and existence. First you say they never existed, that their culture never existed, then you justify killing them because to you they're not even human and "don't exist" anyway.

Israel is indeed a supremacist ethnostate that is ran by and for jews, where a minority of non jews lives, usually as shabbos goyim servants. They have no agency or political and institutional influence, they are second class citizens at best. Israel will only allow abortions for mixed race kids and non jews. Jews themselves are not permitted to abort in most cases.

Palestine has some of the highest educated women in the world, but Israel goes out of its way to destroy educational centers in Palestine to prevent knowledge from spreading since they know it makes them harder to defeat if they are a well educated people:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/24/how-israel-has-destroyed-gazas-schools-and-universities

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/03/07/all-12-universities-in-gaza-have-been-the-target-of-israeli-attacks-it-s-a-war-against-education_6592965_4.html

As for your last question, a one state solution with a Palestian majority where the jews are forced to mix and learn the values of diversity the way they expect everyone else to is one way to go about it.

That's what they did to the US in the 1960s:



Forced integration at gunpoint. Why does Israel get to be exempt from the diversity they champion in everyone else's country, but build giant walls with automated machine gun towers to keep diversity out of their own?

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Meanwhile, the US border:





Chuck Schumer, a zionist jew, is for strong borders for Israel but open borders for America, Europe, China, and pretty much everywhere else:





Alejandro Mayorkas is the same way. Here he is with Biden talking about how great it will be to make white people (who are less than 9% of the world population) into a minority in the USA:





Trump and his administration want the same thing, this is a bipartisan issue for them. It is disgusting, hypocritical, and shows who America belongs to. The US and Europe are Israel's actual colonies, it is where they grow their soldiers and extract resources for their ongoing genocide and greater Israel plans for the middle east.



Israel's goal for Palestine is not economic exploitation or separation. Its purpose is the complete wiping out of another people and the taking of their land. There are no analogies to this in history.

@UnderBelly - sounds like rap pop sounds better from 90 who knows with music of this generation

@bkmeijer1 - Not to get into any debate here but a point of fact, they don't always end in the top 10 and didn't even qualify in 22', knocked out in the semi's prior to the main contest, year before that 17th, 2019 and 2017 they were 23rd out of 26 finalists, 2016 they were 14th after about six prior years failing to qualify so only been in the top ten 6 times in the last 25years in a comp that only has 26 finalists out of a total of upto 43 entries.

At one point they were in the top ten a lot but then when it started out the comp only had seven entries and only gotten up to 17 entries first time they took part back in 73', lol.