TASM VS. Batman Begins (Editorial)

TASM VS. Batman Begins (Editorial)

Anyone who still thinks that Marc Webb's The Amazing Spider-Man is a ripoff and Batman Begins wannabe. Pretty much to all the haters, this is for you.

Editorial Opinion
By EdgyOutsider - Jun 02, 2012 02:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

The Amazing Spider-Man has always been (whether I loved it or at the time hated it) one of my must see movies of 2012, because I wanted to see the difference this one has on the original and how close they were to the comics as well as, well... The Lizard. Now even after people are starting to respect this movie more, I'm still seeing haters compare this to Batman Begins saying it's a BB wannabe.



I don't know about you but those posters SCREAM, different tone!

Story, The Amazing Spider-Man: "Peter Parker, an outcast high schooler who was abandoned by his parents as a boy, leaving him to be raised by his Uncle Ben and Aunt May. Like most teenagers, Peter is trying to figure out who he is and how he got to be the person he is today. Peter is also finding his way with his first high school crush, Gwen Stacy, and together, they struggle with love, commitment, and secrets. As Peter discovers a mysterious briefcase that belonged to his father, he begins a quest to understand his parents' disappearance -- leading him directly to Oscorp and the lab of Dr. Curt Connors, his father's former partner. As Spider-Man is set on a collision course with Connors' alter-ego, The Lizard, Peter will make life-altering choices to use his powers and shape his destiny to become a hero."

Batman Begins: "How does one man change the world? It's a question that haunts Bruce Wayne like the specter of his parents, gunned down before his eyes in the streets of Gotham on a night that changed his life forever. Tormented by guilt and anger, battling the demons that feed his desire for revenge and his need to honor his parents' altruistic legacy, the disillusioned industrial heir vanished from Gotham and secretly travels the world, seeking the means to fight injustice and turn fear against those who prey on the fearful. In his quest to elucidate himself in the ways of the criminal mind, Bruce is mentored by a mysterious man called Ducard in the mastery of the physical and mental disciplines that will empower him to fight the evil he has vowed to destroy. He soon finds himself the target of recruiting efforts by the League of Shadows, a powerful, subversive vigilante group headed by enigmatic leader Ra's al Ghul. Bruce returns to Gotham to find the city devoured by rampant crime and corruption. Wayne Enterprises, his family's former bastion of philanthropic business ideals, now rests in the hands of CEO Richard Earle, a man more concerned with taking the company public than serving the public good. Meanwhile, Bruce's close childhood friend Rachel Dawes, now an Assistant District Attorney, can't secure a conviction of the city's most notorious criminals because the justice system has been so deeply polluted by scum like crime boss Carmine Falcone. It doesn't help that prominent Gotham psychiatrist Dr. Jonathan Crane bolsters insanity defenses for Falcone's thugs in exchange for nefarious favors that serve his own devious agenda. With the help of his trusted butler Alfred, detective Jim Gordon--one of the few good cops on the Gotham police force--and Lucius Fox, his ally at the Wayne Enterprises' Applied Sciences division, Bruce Wayne unleashes his awe-inspiring alter-ego: Batman, a masked crusader who uses strength, intellect and an array of high tech weaponry to fight the sinister forces that threaten to destroy the city."

Choice of director



Yes both are excellent directors. When people heard of Christopher Nolan directing the Batman reboot. Yes alot of people were at the time skeptical because of the last Batman movie Warner Bros. had made *cough* Batman & Robin *cough* But the people who knew who the director was, knew that they were in for a treat and didn't pass it (which once it's sequel had came out and Inception, alot of people came out with the crazy notion that Nolan is god and does no wrong.) Marc Webb directing The Amazing Spider-Man, even I was like "WTF!?!?!?" Webb was definitely an odd choice for a Spider-Man reboot because you would think that they'd go with a more experienced director for it, but from what we've been given. I'm thinking that this was the perfect directing choice for the reboot. Now their styles are very different. Christopher Nolan likes to ground his movies into much realism as possible and tends to use the same actors in his movies. Now I know that Marc Webb has directed only one other movie, but his kind of directing he likes to focus on color but also like Mr.Nolan, character driven movies. That's why Webb's TASM has more of a comicbook look to it than Mr.Nolan's Batman Trilogy. But similarities and differences behind, both are extremely talented directors and good choices for the films.

Lead actor



Their only similarities are that their non-american born actors and the fact that their both extremely talented actors. Christian Bale is extremely horrifyingly dedicated to his roles, if he's required to be skin and bones (The Machinist) he will go that far. To me that's just scary lol. But even while skin and bones, he's still an extremely talented actor. Andrew Garfield is an up and coming actor, while I've only seen one movie of his (The Social Network) I feel he is a extremely talented actor and he's gonna blow up after The Amazing Spider-Man. While best to my knowledge, Christian Bale blew up after Batman Begins, these two are quite different actors but were odd choices or the roles they were given. But it just didn't seem like these guys would fit their roles. Super skinny Bale transforming into Batman? How is he gonna get that buff that quick? But he did it. Skinny, little Andrew Garield, him has Spider-Man? Even after the first official picture came out, everyone was like? "WTF!?!?!" But it payed off for Bale and for Garfield I know it's gonna be the same. But in my opinion, it's just not right to say on actor is better than the other. Especially with Bale having more known filmography than Garfield.

Visually (little fun fact, the Batman Demon is my favorite Batman scene of all time)



Both have amazing visuals. Batman Begins went with the less campy and more brooding and realistic look, pretty much comicbook Batman minus the fantasy. The Amazing Spider-Man decided best to just stick to the comicbook while maintaining a original story. Though some CGI of Spidey's newest villain look like he might need a little touch up here or there, they both look amazing but clearly very, very different.

Overall: Quite saying that The Amazing Spider-Man is a Batman Begins wannabe, their very different movies in every possible way. There is nothing about The Amazing Spider-Man that you can even say that makes it a Batman Begins wannabe. But as the saying goes, Haters gonna hate.
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EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 6/2/2012, 4:53 AM
@Just1Superguy: They went with the snout-less Lizard because 1: It would've looked silly seeing him with a snout and 2: They wanted the villain to have emotion. Yes I understand they could've had him express emotion physically but when a monster is full of rage, there is only one emotion. Also they even said the lab coat WILL be in it for a few scenes. More like a couple but still, it's gonna be in there.
The posters, I will say are similar. So I'll give you credit there. I know one movie doesn't make a director, I was just saying by basing it on one movie, he is a great director. Also if you look at the trailers, it does have more of a comicbook feel.

I aplogize if I come off angry. I'm just tired of people saying a DC movie is like a Marvel movie and that the Marvel movie is a DC film's wannabe. It's stupid. You can make comparisons but it never means the movies are the same.
BarnaclePete
BarnaclePete - 6/2/2012, 5:26 AM
How do you know for sure if you haven't seen it yet?
Psyche
Psyche - 6/2/2012, 6:54 AM
@just1superguy
I respectfully disagree.
While Webb has stated before he was going for a more realistic tone, he has also stated that he doesn't want to define the movie with the word 'dark'. As for Spider-Man always looking down in posters, I think he is going to suffer a great loss and get a feel of what his life is now. That's just my theory though
Rhino4508
Rhino4508 - 6/2/2012, 10:13 AM
@Just1Superguy

Well just putting this out there. If you had superpowers and were wanting to take on the forces of evil....when would you say the best time to patrol the streets for baddies would be? Broad daylight or at night when predators have the cover of darkness to strike? Also, he goes to school during the day. So it is understandable that most of the crime fighting would be a night activity.

But I do see were you come from. If you go out of your way to find similarities you can in almost all superhero films. However, I don't think they all have the same "formula" as you put it.

Nolan did something wonderful for superhero movies with Batman Begins. He got people to see them as serious movies again. Or at least IMO he did. And yes he demonstrated a technique to better superhero films in doing so. Add a little realism to even the most outstandingly unrealistic hero and fans love it. Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, the Avengers, and now TASM. All much more realistically styled films. Something I do see as a direct result of Nolan's films. However, to say that every movie now follows a Nolan formula is a bit much.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 6/2/2012, 12:54 PM
@Just1Superguy: I was not saying that at all. I simply made this article to explain that TASM isn't trying to be a copy of BB. I loved Raimi's trilogy F.Y.I, and Lizard looks ok. My only complaint about The Lizard is that the CGI could be a bit better.

Psyche
Psyche - 6/2/2012, 2:04 PM
@just1superguy
Yes, I like Spiderman, but that doesn't have anything to do with the subject at hand. I loved the Raimi franchise, three however, I thought was alright but could have been way better. Besides that TASM might have continuity errors, but so those almost every CBM, even Batman and Superman and the MCU. I dare you to name a CBM without any change whatsoever.
jumpingJellybeans
jumpingJellybeans - 6/2/2012, 3:53 PM
@Just1Superguy so you do think they're ripping it off? The only similarity in formula is that they're both damn origin stories. Spider-Man himself is a bright character in a dark story. People seem to be forgetting that because he shares the same colours with Mr. Fruitcake. Spider-Man will be Spider-Man in this film. Also, Batman Begins was similar to Iron Man? They're both rich, they have no powers or parents. That's practically the only similarities.
Gerrit
Gerrit - 6/2/2012, 4:09 PM
Didn't any of you guys see Random Guy's Happy Hour? That Spider-Man is who Spidey is, not this dark and gritty looking Spider-Man. They are making a Spider-Man movie with a different tone, that's it.
The story can be dark but not the character.
nosnegrom
nosnegrom - 6/2/2012, 4:35 PM
Why would you compare the two
SageMode
SageMode - 6/3/2012, 1:00 AM
Well, being that Peter Parker is a high school (which takes place during the day) student in TASM, wouldn't it be more relevant for him to be crime fighting at evening / night times? Lol
marknjoanna
marknjoanna - 6/3/2012, 5:54 AM
ahhhh step 1 for nolanites.

start compairing tdkr to tasm.and stay far far away from tdkr vs the avengers.

smart move very smart move.i was wondering how they could get this done after years of compairing ta to tdkr.ie tdkr will top anything that the avengers can do.

good job,its one of the smartest things ive ever seen a nolanite do.
marknjoanna
marknjoanna - 6/3/2012, 5:55 AM
nosnegrom - 6/2/2012, 4:35 PM
Report Comment Why would you compare the two


because compairing it to the avengers blew up in their faces so what would you have them do.i think its a good move.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 6/3/2012, 7:02 AM
I do hope that you're not calling me a Nolanite.
Rhino4508
Rhino4508 - 6/3/2012, 11:04 AM
@Just1Superguy
Here's why I attack Rami's Spider-Man.

1. No Gwen til 3. Made her just some idiot modeling chick he uses to make MJ jealous.

2. Spider-Man was not witty in the least. He hardly cracked any one liners the entire series.

3. Doc Ock is and will always be EVIL. There was no BS artificial intelligence motivating him to be a villain.

4. Made Sandman a good guy as well... and uncle Ben's killer.

5. Emo-Parker...enough said.

6. Parker wasn't really portrayed as someone of high intellect very often. Spidey in the comics used his mind rather than his powers quite frequently (Electro, Venom, etc.)

7. CRIED TOO MUCH. Spidey was never much of a crier. He'd have a bad day, get pissed, and take it out on the next
baddie.

8. Rami's Spidey also wasn't really in high school. Comics Spidey is in high school for quite awhile.

9. Venom was a bitch...then killed off.

10. Doc Ock killed off...

11. Peter rides a scooter...while in the comics rode a motorcycle.

I am just saying as a Spider-Man fan, Rami was ok. But alot of stuff in his films irritated me. TASM gives me hope that the wishes that I had growing up in a Spider-Man film will be granted. Gwen is the love interest, Pete's in high school, his parents death shrouded in mystery, Spider-Man is snarky and funny, Lizard looks great IMO (never was a fan of the huge snout), and back to the web shooters and fluid which in and of themselves show pete's genius as a scientist and engineer.

In closing, quit coming onto Spider-Man stories and trying to put down the hero, lessen the hype, and praising the trilogy that Spider-man fans were disappointed with. I have seen you on so many editorials doing this and quite frankly it just makes you out to be a pompous douche that is only on the site to stir up shit. If you want to have a really discussion about a hero or series, fine. But if all you want to do is make little, Nolan is better than everyone, Spider-man and Spider-man fans suck comments, then find another place to do it, because I for one would like to have a chance to be excited about something without someone coming into the party and just making noise to bring down the high.
nosnegrom
nosnegrom - 6/3/2012, 4:55 PM
What i mean is marvel vs dc they both have there strengths and there weakness, dc lacks what marvel has and the other way around. Plus batman is nothing like spiderman really.. I just dont get it. Batman begins is a great movie and TASM hasnt even come out yet. Why are they being compared.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 6/4/2012, 12:41 AM
@nosnegrom: I originally made this article just to show how despite some similarities, they are completely different films and that it's ridiculous that there are people say The Amazing Spider-Man is a Batman Begins wannabe.
MarsivNayr
MarsivNayr - 6/4/2012, 10:36 PM
"You people are so petty!"

Just1Superguy is a little thing called Troll, people. He is literally laughing at everyone getting all worked up over this. Everything, EVERYTHING that is/was posted here is opinion (you know what I mean).

@Just1Superguy

Raimi's films were awesome when they came out. But I, like many others, saw the films degrading with multiple viewings. We look back on them today and don't fully appreciate what was made because we can see that NOW we are getting something that could be better (Hence The Amazing Spider-man). And I don't get what you're going on about with the "Continuity flaws". What, you want it to be identical to the comics? That's a poor idea for a film.

The Lizard CGI/overall LOOK is pure opinon. I think the Lizard looks fine. I don't see how people can complain about COMPUTER GENERATED IMAGES. The fact that we get to see that at all is enough. Fuggin spoiled ass people…

And Batman Begins comparsion? Pffft…please.
MarsivNayr
MarsivNayr - 6/4/2012, 10:37 PM
@TheLizard1

Good write up.
LegendaryOutlaw
LegendaryOutlaw - 6/5/2012, 7:17 PM
To everyone comparing TASM to BB I'm just gonna say one thing.... If you think that an average teen trying to uncover his past is the same as a rich man shaping his future then you aren't thinking straight.
RobGrizzly
RobGrizzly - 6/5/2012, 9:57 PM
Why are we even arguing if we haven't seen the movie yet?!

All I know is, if Uncle Ben asks Peter "Why do we fall?" I'm gonna scream!! :)
SpideyAllTheWay62
SpideyAllTheWay62 - 6/6/2012, 12:39 AM
Chris Kuehl-
Both are very human characters with tragedies that happened to them when they were kids: that's the only compatible likeness. Other than that, Spidey is a good teen, funny, bright, super-strong/agile/spider-sense/fast, and somewhat carefree besides being responsible. Batman is an adult, good, comes off as dark and mean with the deep growling voice, and rich while Mr. Peter Parker is not. So, their uniquely different as well as both ASM's and BB's stories and plots reflect the moods, personalities, and qualities of them both individually. There are some special effects in the Amazing Spider-Man because he's super-human, but due to Sam Raimi's Spidey movies nailing the super-hero perfectly, Marc Webb wanted to have Spider-Man's abilities look more natural despite the super-powers. There's one other similarity, since Batman's moves are very human. Lastly, even though both TASM and BB are deep, well-thought out insider looks to Pete's and Bruce's humanity and origins, Batman Begins is very closely related to the comic book while The Amazing Spider-Man is like a perfect mixture of the first Spidey 2002 movie ( but without the mutant bio web-shooters), true comicbook origin with the first villain The Lizard and [also is a semi-sequel to "Spider-Man 3"], and with a little bit tweaked NEW Spidey uniform specially made for the reboot not seen in comics, cartoons, and past movies. Conclusion: While both super-hero movies are humanistic and based on the true stories in the comics, the super-heroes themselves are very different- one works at a job and the other doesn't need to because of wealth, one is super-human and the other isn't, it looks like Gwen Stacy and Peter Parker become close as older teens when Bruce has been close friends with Katie Holmes's character since they were kids; and the villain is a 'father'-like character to Pete and Bruce's "league of shadows" mentor-trainer is a best friend but not like a father. Plus, Bruce allows his mansion to be burned down and Pete wouldn't let that happen. See, different concepts and different directors: Chris Nolan delves more into human seriousness and psychological states when Marc Webb is about light, somewhat humorousness, romance, very human but in Spidey's case: touches upon when a human is introduced into a super-human heroic factor in real life and looks for more evidence of his father while Bruce's dad was killed. These paragraphs are dead-on answers to all of the confusion, debates, and arguments. General Super Spider-BatGoku says,"Nuff said." LOL Haha... . . . ;-D
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