SPIDER-MAN: BEYOND THE SPIDER-VERSE First-Look Storyboards Feature Spider-Gwen &... The Abyss!?

@Scarilian - I'm glad you're not writing these movies lol. That would mean the trilogy ends with the main character losing. And I don't think that's satisfying at all... It would be like if Return of the Jedi ended with Vader being in-fact unredeemable, Vader killing Leia and Han, and Yoda and Obi-Wan saying, "See, told you so. This is just the will of the force, no use denying it."

The directors say that these movies are an analogy for fans who are too beholden to nostalgia and canon who won't except new ideas (like Miles Morales being Spiderman or Spiderman not always having to lose his loved ones) Everything single aspect of Across the Spiderverse has laid the groundwork to break from tradition, so I wouldn't get my hopes up they would get this far only to tread back to the familiar.

@BB8ANG -
Spider-man is not relatable because he wins all the time, it's because he keeps going despite losing so much. Deaths of supporting characters happen a lot in the finales of films, especially in Spider-man. In every live action portrayal the film has ended with him losing someone or something close to him.

The Dad's death should be an inevitability, or as certain Sci-Fi shows prefer a 'fixed point' or 'canon event', it's predetermined and cannot be altered. As such its not Miles losing, it's him coming to terms with the idea that the death of his father is inevitable. Across the Spider-verse ended with him finding a universe where his father had died to really drive in that point.

If the director chooses to have Miles be this 'ultra special Spider-man who breaks canon and he's right and everyone else is wrong' then nobody is going to connect with that. It's the chosen one dynamic combined with a massive dump on every single other version of Spider-man. It'd alienate Miles as opposed to making him feel like Spider-man, people would reject it.

It's not the hero losing, it's the hero realizing that their is a greater goal. It'd be tragic and heroic. It'd make Miles insanely relatable, the idea of having all that power and being powerless to alter fate itself. People would revisit it over and over again and we'd talk about it for decades of how it had the balls to tackle such a subject. That loss won't stop him being Spider-man, either. It'd enable him to realize what matters most to him, to finally step-up and explain his feelings to Gwen.

You want people to connect with Miles, don't make him a Gary-Stu... make him a heroically tragic yet relatable character. Have him make the tough decision that only a hero could.

• Spider-man PS4 had the choice Peter makes between his Aunt and the city
• Beyond the Spider-verse would be the choice Miles makes between his Dad and his reality

It's a simple choice, but it's so personal and intimate to who Miles is as a character.

@Origame -
The Dad knowingly going to his death is the best option. If you've ever seen Final Space, they do something similar where the parental figure is informed about their loss and still goes willingly to protect their son and do the heroic thing.

Miles having a heart-to-heart with his Dad to try and convince him not to do it, but when the moment comes the Dad does the heroic thing and sacrifices himself to save someone from a collapsing building. You could add another level of tragedy if the person Miles' father is saving is Miles - though it also works if it is a random citizen. It allows Miles to bond with his father and leaves Jefferson going out in a heroic way knowing he's going to his death but doing so anyway because it's the right thing to do.

@BB8ANG -
I don't see a way for them to have Miles be right without vilifying or showing all the other Spider-man as wrong/pathetic. Why didn't they break canon and save their loved ones? Or worst case scenario, Miles ends up altering the canon so nobody they loved died as some ultimate hero :L

Its worrying as those involved are also vilifying the Spider-men, trying to turn Miguel into a toxic hater of Miles as opposed to being simply misguided and basing his viewpoints on his personal tragedy.

Maybe it's just the extremely poor writing of 'Across' but the entire film both argues for and against canon events being real in ways that don't mesh together - so whatever the outcome whether canon evens can or can't be altered, it's going to damage the narrative structure of the third film, especially as a sequel and climax to what has come before.

@BB8ANG -
Understanding the story is not insecurity. This is just natural cause and effect of story telling and will impact characters in the story.

If Miguel is wrong, then Miguel has to be evil as he's directly stopped people from saving their loved ones and all the other Spider-men are complicit or actively chose to abide by the philosophy that Miguel follows.

The way it chooses to portray the story effects how we view the characters.

You have a bunch of Spider-men advocating for them to let people die to protect the multiverse, you can't just pretend that did not happen - so however they resolve that will affect how we view these characters and their actions.

@marvel72 - Nah. Both are Spider-Man