SPIDER-MAN: BEYOND THE SPIDER-VERSE First-Look Storyboards Feature Spider-Gwen &... The Abyss!?

@Gabimaru - the way his nose is all smooshed 😂😂😂

@TheVandalore - He can't get enough of that cake

@Gabimaru - would.

@TheVandalore - You're missing out. 2 > 1

You could watch the 2nd one a dozen times between now and then and only get more hyped for round 3.

@RoberTiger - I suppose you are right. For some reason I just haven't had much of a passion for this franchise. The animation can be a bit too much for me at times. I enjoyed the first a lot, but the trailers for the second didn't hook me with anything that interested me personally.

So, this idea I came up with about waiting till the 3rd to have kind of a marathon experience sounded like an event I could get more excited about. I know, it's just my own mental gymnastics lol 😂 I'm fully aware.

But it's not like once my marathon is over, that I won't have the rest of my life to rewatch them too. It's not like I'm currently lacking things to watch. I've got so many movies and shows I still have on my to watch list, I'm not planning on rewatching anything multiple times before the third movie hits theaters.

@mountainman - I liked the overall pacing of the first one better. The 2nd one felt like a roller coaster. You know you're slowly building to something in the first half but you can't see where it's going yet, then when it finally crests the hill and it takes off it just doesn't stop. And that ending was one of the better cliffhangers. Reminded me of Empire Strikes Back. Gave just enough hope but left plenty of hopelessness to make you anticipate part 2 move.

@RoberTiger - I kinda figured that might have been the case. I'm definitely looking forward to checking the whole story out when it's completed.

@RoberTiger - The ending was a cool twist and the Spot became increasingly menacing. Miguel was a good enough villain, although I say Prowler was better due to the personal connection. Gwen’s story was good, but Miles’s in the first one was better. Miguel, Spider Woman and Spider India were all cool, but the overwhelming Spidermen in the second act was almost too much for me. Either way it was good, I just prefer the more personal stakes to the larger multiverse wide ones.

@mountainman - yeah it went for spectacle over character arcs because those character arcs aren't finished.

@RoberTiger - Sure man. I never said Beyond was bad, just that liked Into more. I think if they would have cut about 10 mins of the crazy Spider-cameos, they could have beefed up Miles story a little and Miguel’s a lot. Would have loved seeing Miguel more in his world before he went tyrannical.

@RoberTiger - Yeah that’s what I said earlier. Part 2 will likely feel stronger to me when I can see the third one.

@Scarilian - I'm glad you're not writing these movies lol. That would mean the trilogy ends with the main character losing. And I don't think that's satisfying at all... It would be like if Return of the Jedi ended with Vader being in-fact unredeemable, Vader killing Leia and Han, and Yoda and Obi-Wan saying, "See, told you so. This is just the will of the force, no use denying it."

The directors say that these movies are an analogy for fans who are too beholden to nostalgia and canon who won't except new ideas (like Miles Morales being Spiderman or Spiderman not always having to lose his loved ones) Everything single aspect of Across the Spiderverse has laid the groundwork to break from tradition, so I wouldn't get my hopes up they would get this far only to tread back to the familiar.

@BB8ANG -
Spider-man is not relatable because he wins all the time, it's because he keeps going despite losing so much. Deaths of supporting characters happen a lot in the finales of films, especially in Spider-man. In every live action portrayal the film has ended with him losing someone or something close to him.

The Dad's death should be an inevitability, or as certain Sci-Fi shows prefer a 'fixed point' or 'canon event', it's predetermined and cannot be altered. As such its not Miles losing, it's him coming to terms with the idea that the death of his father is inevitable. Across the Spider-verse ended with him finding a universe where his father had died to really drive in that point.

If the director chooses to have Miles be this 'ultra special Spider-man who breaks canon and he's right and everyone else is wrong' then nobody is going to connect with that. It's the chosen one dynamic combined with a massive dump on every single other version of Spider-man. It'd alienate Miles as opposed to making him feel like Spider-man, people would reject it.

It's not the hero losing, it's the hero realizing that their is a greater goal. It'd be tragic and heroic. It'd make Miles insanely relatable, the idea of having all that power and being powerless to alter fate itself. People would revisit it over and over again and we'd talk about it for decades of how it had the balls to tackle such a subject. That loss won't stop him being Spider-man, either. It'd enable him to realize what matters most to him, to finally step-up and explain his feelings to Gwen.

You want people to connect with Miles, don't make him a Gary-Stu... make him a heroically tragic yet relatable character. Have him make the tough decision that only a hero could.

• Spider-man PS4 had the choice Peter makes between his Aunt and the city
• Beyond the Spider-verse would be the choice Miles makes between his Dad and his reality

It's a simple choice, but it's so personal and intimate to who Miles is as a character.

@Origame -
The Dad knowingly going to his death is the best option. If you've ever seen Final Space, they do something similar where the parental figure is informed about their loss and still goes willingly to protect their son and do the heroic thing.

Miles having a heart-to-heart with his Dad to try and convince him not to do it, but when the moment comes the Dad does the heroic thing and sacrifices himself to save someone from a collapsing building. You could add another level of tragedy if the person Miles' father is saving is Miles - though it also works if it is a random citizen. It allows Miles to bond with his father and leaves Jefferson going out in a heroic way knowing he's going to his death but doing so anyway because it's the right thing to do.

@BB8ANG -
I don't see a way for them to have Miles be right without vilifying or showing all the other Spider-man as wrong/pathetic. Why didn't they break canon and save their loved ones? Or worst case scenario, Miles ends up altering the canon so nobody they loved died as some ultimate hero :L

Its worrying as those involved are also vilifying the Spider-men, trying to turn Miguel into a toxic hater of Miles as opposed to being simply misguided and basing his viewpoints on his personal tragedy.

Maybe it's just the extremely poor writing of 'Across' but the entire film both argues for and against canon events being real in ways that don't mesh together - so whatever the outcome whether canon evens can or can't be altered, it's going to damage the narrative structure of the third film, especially as a sequel and climax to what has come before.

@BB8ANG -
Understanding the story is not insecurity. This is just natural cause and effect of story telling and will impact characters in the story.

If Miguel is wrong, then Miguel has to be evil as he's directly stopped people from saving their loved ones and all the other Spider-men are complicit or actively chose to abide by the philosophy that Miguel follows.

The way it chooses to portray the story effects how we view the characters.

You have a bunch of Spider-men advocating for them to let people die to protect the multiverse, you can't just pretend that did not happen - so however they resolve that will affect how we view these characters and their actions.

@marvel72 - Nah. Both are Spider-Man