New Report Reveals Real Reason Sony Never Used SPIDER-MAN In Movies Like VENOM, MORBIUS, And KRAVEN THE HUNTER

New Report Reveals Real Reason Sony Never Used SPIDER-MAN In Movies Like VENOM, MORBIUS, And KRAVEN THE HUNTER

A new report claims to reveal more about Sony's approach to its Marvel Universe, offering an explanation as to why Spider-Man never appeared in the likes of Venom, Morbius, and now Kraven the Hunter.

By JoshWilding - Dec 14, 2024 07:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man
Source: Variety

Earlier this week, it was reported that Kraven the Hunter would mark the end of "Sony's Spider-Man Universe." Variety has now chimed in, somewhat disputing that claim. 

According to the trade, there technically never was any sort of shared "universe" for these characters. Both Madame Web and Kraven the Hunter were billed as "standalone" stories but only after Morbius - clearly set in the same world as Venom - bombed.

Acknowledging that Sony now intends to focus on its Spider-Man projects, it's apparent these spin-off movies are being put on ice. 

"The looming box office failure [of Kraven the Hunter] almost certainly signifies the end of this endeavour at the studio," the report explains, "which one knowledgeable insider at Sony imputed to an industry-wide 'irrational exuberance about superheroes' that has ultimately led to the overall diminishment of the genre’s primacy as the leading force at the box office."

While those same insiders "fiercely" defend the success of the Venom trilogy, each new instalment has still made less than the previous effort. However, with The Last Dance earning more overseas than Let There Be Carnage, we may not have seen the last of the Lethal Protector. 

It's later explained that the success of 2018's Venom "presented Sony with the false impression that audiences would flock to see a movie about any Spider-Man character without Spider-Man in the film."

According to one Sony source, Disney's deal with Sony never stopped the latter studio from including Spider-Man in these spin-off projects.

The trade notes, "But there was a feeling within the studio that audiences would not accept Holland’s Spidey suddenly popping up in a live-action film that wasn’t a part of the MCU, especially after 'Spider-Man: No Way Home' and the Marvel Studios projects 'Loki' and 'Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness' established definitive boundaries to the Marvel multiverse."

That forced Sony into heavily reshooting Morbius to explain how Michael Keaton could show up in another universe (based on this report, it appears the studio believed fans would happily assume the Living Vampire's movie and Venom just took place elsewhere on Earth-616). 

Sony is aware that these movies aren't working and is likely to be more "discerning" about its future endeavours. As one veteran producer puts it, "You can feel the cynicism a mile away. They’re grinding out product, and it feels like it. There’s no quality control."

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TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 12/14/2024, 7:40 AM
How these people have jobs.... Can anyone just walk in and apply? How are these people.... You know what, I'll go crazy thinking about this...
TheyDont
TheyDont - 12/14/2024, 1:03 PM
@TheVandalore - And these writers have the audacity to ask for raises. They should go broke and homeless for this shit.
toylled
toylled - 12/14/2024, 7:17 PM
@TheVandalore - Hollywood lives in a bubble, they don't understand anything that happens outside
AllsGood
AllsGood - 12/14/2024, 7:42 AM
Makes Sense all Sony Box Bombs would have affected MCU Box Office Successes.

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dragon316
dragon316 - 12/14/2024, 7:50 AM
@AllsGood - the marvels, antman 3, name few
AllsGood
AllsGood - 12/14/2024, 8:01 AM
@dragon316 - Box Office History for Marvel Cinematic Universe Movies has made Billions and Billions and Billions and Billions and Counting.........$31,056,677,527 BILLIONS!

NOW you list all WB/DC Box Office Success :)

Check for yourself.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe#tab=summary

Marvel Studios

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OptimusCrime
OptimusCrime - 12/14/2024, 8:23 AM
@dragon316 - what does a new Sony Spider-Man has to do with the Marvels and Antman 3...

Youve got to be a special kind of person
bobevanz
bobevanz - 12/14/2024, 10:29 AM
@AllsGood -
AllsGood
AllsGood - 12/14/2024, 10:39 AM
@bobevanz - God?

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LSHF
LSHF - 12/14/2024, 7:55 AM
It's all my fault.
Superspecialawesomeguy
Superspecialawesomeguy - 12/14/2024, 8:06 AM
At least 50% of Sony's problems would be fixed if they just fired that hack Avi Arad lmao.

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#fireaviarad
OptimusCrime
OptimusCrime - 12/14/2024, 8:24 AM
@Superspecialawesomeguy - this photo keeps haunting me... why did you have to dig it up🥹
NodrickStripson
NodrickStripson - 12/14/2024, 9:48 AM
@Superspecialawesomeguy - This.
Arad is useless, his ideas are usually incredibly bad and/or outdated and I suspect he even smells a bit penisy
Kneeonbrown
Kneeonbrown - 12/14/2024, 1:19 PM
@Superspecialawesomeguy - hes like a diseases
sully
sully - 12/16/2024, 4:06 AM
@Superspecialawesomeguy - But but firing Arad would be aNtISeMeTiC
thedrudo
thedrudo - 12/14/2024, 8:16 AM
I hope they don’t stop making these. It’s just too entertaining.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 12/14/2024, 10:31 AM
@thedrudo - you're the reason this crap exists lol
ZiggyStarman
ZiggyStarman - 12/14/2024, 9:26 AM
They could have used Andrew Garfield for the Sony Verse Villian Films
OptimusCrime
OptimusCrime - 12/14/2024, 12:03 PM
@ZiggyStarman - Andrew deserves better
eagc1995
eagc1995 - 12/14/2024, 1:58 PM
@ZiggyStarman - I mean lets not forget that they started this whole universe before NWH came out, NWH brought new interest on Andrew, maybe if Sony had decided we want to make a new universe after NWH happened, maybe then you could've built this universe within the ASM world
MatteMan
MatteMan - 12/15/2024, 2:00 AM
@eagc1995 - After NWH, Sony had literally unlimited possibilities. They could have created the whole SpiderVerse.
Forthas
Forthas - 12/14/2024, 9:39 AM
"...that has ultimately led to the overall diminishment of the genre’s primacy as the leading force at the box office."

Interesting view. I think the superhero genre is still relatively the biggest draw genre wise. I suppose that some could make an argument that video game and children's films have surpassed comic book films but I don't think it has been consistent.
tvor03
tvor03 - 12/14/2024, 9:47 AM
After No Way Home, Sony should have brought back Andrew Garfield as a mentor to Miles Morales, eventually giving Andrew a hero’s death and continuing a Miles franchise. But I guess that would have interfered with their animated movies.
AnEye
AnEye - 12/14/2024, 10:04 AM
Why miss this little nugget from Variety?

"Moving forward, they say, the studio will need to be more discerning about which — if any — of the studio’s stable of Spider-Man characters should be elevated into their own movie franchise.

There is a different possibility, as well. “You could hire a different Spider-Man,” Bock says. “It doesn’t have to be Tom.”


Like why the hell they make this statement....YEARS LATER?!

Either way, its over. They've been tainting the shit out of the Spider-Man characters that its too late to say "Well why don't we just hire a different Spider-Man!?"

I do believe that Feige might of asked for them not to do it because of his plans, and I'm sure Sony was really buttered up to that idea (given the end credits for Let There Be Carnage) but Marvel kept saying its too early to do so. It was just Sony rushing to have that potential. So I do think in some ways, Marvel and Sony screwed these movies. Inadvertently and in some cases advertently!


slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 12/14/2024, 10:11 AM
I’ve seen hundreds of comments from fans that have said to throw Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man into the Villain movies and it would give everyone a Spiderman to combat for these crappy sonyverse movies.
I find it very stupid that Sony decision makers couldn’t figure this out. But then again when you’re trying to be like the movie, the producers, maybe you are trying to make flops just to steal money from your own company.
RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 12/14/2024, 10:14 AM
They're not the brightest movie studio out there, are they?
bobevanz
bobevanz - 12/14/2024, 10:30 AM
Looks like I'm gonna have to break out Luigi for one more job, target is Avi Arad and crazy haired sandwich lady. This has gone too far lol
Matchesz
Matchesz - 12/14/2024, 10:46 AM
@bobevanz - lmao I was going to make this joke.
BillyBatson1000
BillyBatson1000 - 12/14/2024, 11:14 AM
""which one knowledgeable insider at Sony imputed to an industry-wide 'irrational exuberance about superheroes' that has ultimately led to the overall diminishment of the genre’s primacy as the leading force at the box office."

Oh come on.

THIS guy got a thesaurus for Christmas - and he's going to use it!
Spike101
Spike101 - 12/14/2024, 11:38 AM
It’s incredible to see how it could be so difficult to share the same characters, and for them to all consist. As long as both sides still to the lore of the original comics there shouldn’t be an issue.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 12/14/2024, 11:51 AM
Sounds like they were never barred from setting their films in the MCU or using a different Spider-Man...
Sony gonna Sony...
Matchesz
Matchesz - 12/14/2024, 12:01 PM
Its so crazy to me that they had the opportunity to do something cool and join the MCu and they couldnt even bother with finding good enough talent to make them.
Nonameforme
Nonameforme - 12/14/2024, 12:09 PM
The only problem with the sony movies is the audience. Rhe audience needs that marvel studios label, it's like crack.
Razorface1
Razorface1 - 12/14/2024, 1:28 PM
@Nonameforme - funny how the worst MCU movies get more love than harmless ones like this.
Nolanite
Nolanite - 12/14/2024, 12:23 PM
To be honest, I think Kraven is the best movie of the year! Not just that but best comic book movie of the year as well.

The emm cee ewe should take some notes! Glad that it is doing decent at the box office.

Nolanite out
TheIronDuck
TheIronDuck - 12/14/2024, 12:59 PM
I expect they'll only take a break thru 2027 knowing Secret Wars will wipe out the Sonyverse and gives them an opportunity for a hard reset.
Razorface1
Razorface1 - 12/14/2024, 6:52 PM
@TheIronDuck - why would it wipe out the Sony verse?
TheIronDuck
TheIronDuck - 12/14/2024, 9:03 PM
@Razorface1 - well. . . if it wipes out the entire multiverse and Sony's universe is part of that then even if it's temporary and even if we don't see it happen it will still be gone.
Razorface1
Razorface1 - 12/14/2024, 10:44 PM
@TheIronDuck - well now we know marvel is open to having more than one multiverse, so...
OrionPax
OrionPax - 12/14/2024, 1:28 PM
The Sony CBMs (emphasis on the “BM”……..) are a perfect example of how completely wasteful their film business model is. The MCU has enjoyed success because, and this is just my opinion, they have tried to treat the comics as a legitimate art form and not just source material, thereby making the lion’s share of their films good. Now that’s not to say that they’re perfect, but as a lifelong comic book reader of 40 years, I remember very well what CBMs were like before the MCU, and they were generally treated as “kid stuff” that wasn’t deserving of a good story treatment (The first 2 Superman films and the first 2 Batman films being the exception until we got Blade and the X-Men),Sony has been treating these films as potential “cash cows”, instead of really looking into what it was that made these characters thrive for almost 100 years in some instances. Case in point, people only know who the hell Kraven is because of Spider-Man. Same with Morbius, and DEFINITELY the same with Madame Web, so to make films about lower tier Spidey villains without including Spider-Man is a time tested recipe for disaster. There have been exceptions (like The Penguin or Gotham on TV or the Venom films and Joker)but for the most part one would think these studios would get the hint after so many failures
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