RUMOR: Sony Wants Tobey Maguire & Andrew Garfield Back For SPIDER-MAN 4; Kingpin May Also Appear

RUMOR: Sony Wants Tobey Maguire & Andrew Garfield Back For SPIDER-MAN 4; Kingpin May Also Appear

Though this shouldn't really be a surprise given the success of No Way Home, a new rumor is claiming that Sony Pictures wants Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire back for Spider-Man 4...

By MarkCassidy - Jan 25, 2024 10:01 AM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

Original big-screen Spider-Man Tobey Maguire and TASM star Andrew Garfield reprised their respective roles alongside Tom Holland's MCU Webhead for 2021's Spider-Man: No Way Home, and the movie went on to become one of the biggest superhero successes in recent memory.

So, it shouldn't come as much of a surprise to hear that Sony Pictures is (reportedly) eager to replicate some of that box office glory by bringing Maguire and Garfield back for the next solo Spider-Man adventure.

According to Daniel Richtman, the studio does indeed want both actors back to rejoin Holland for the currently in-development (though still not officially announced) "Spider-Man 4." He also mentions that Wilson Fisk/Kingpin is set to appear, but Vincent D'Onofrio has not yet entered talks.

Just a rumor for now, but again, would anyone really be shocked if this proved to be accurate?

Of course, even if Sony does want Tobey and Andrew back, it doesn't necessarily mean it'll happen. Richtman also hints at a possible conflict of interest, with Kevin Feige eager for the movie "to be more grounded, while Sony wants it to be huge."

At any rate, both Garfield and Maguire have previously expressed interest in returning, so even if they don't show up in Spider-Man 4, we'd say there's a very good chance of them swinging by for Avengers: Secret Wars (if not before).

Tom Holland and Zendaya will almost certainly return as Peter Parker and MJ, but the former is believed to be "growing wary" of playing the iconic hero, so this could be his final time in the red and blue suit.

During a recent interview, the actor said he feels that he's become too used to the "safety blanket of Spider-Man."

"I want to do things that scare me, things that make me uncomfortable. When you do what we do, you have to be comfortable with being uncomfortable. This show is a perfect example of that. Ben is consistently telling me, if you don’t commit, they won’t believe you. The reason I wasn’t committing is because I was afraid. I’ve never done anything like this before. I got so used to the Marvel machine and the safety blanket of Spider-Man, feeling like I was protected. So, doing something like this was incredibly scary, but because it was so scary, it was so fulfilling and so rewarding. Going forward, if there’s something that I feel like I can’t do, I want to do that one. Playing a sort of stupid English doofus is not what I want to do because that’s my life, right?"

The script is being written by No Way Home scribes Chris McKenna and Erik Sommers, but we still know very little about the story, including which of the Wall-Crawler's fearsome foes will be causing problems for Peter and co.

Most of Spidey's major bad guys have already been utilized in previous films (Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, etc), but a recent rumor claimed that the still untitled sequel will feature a villain we haven't seen in live-action yet.

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FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 1/25/2024, 7:35 AM
Sony are clueless 🤦🏽‍♂️
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/25/2024, 8:55 AM
@FireandBlood - Yup, Sony has long track record of falling into the go bigger each time trap, fine with the other two returning but save that for Secret Wars not blow it in SM4 where it would be unlikely to make ANY narrative sense at all. Forced inclusion can be just as much of a problem, if not indeed more so, shoehorning in characters like those Variants into Peter's next 'solo' film as it is in the way some here oft bang on about with non-white male characters.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 1/25/2024, 8:56 AM
@FireandBlood - For real... i mean they own the character right? and the multiverse has been established! Why not let MS/Disney carry on with Holland, Let Tobey bow out with one more Raimi movie introducing Spider-Girl for Sony, and then still have Garfield in play if they need to have a sinister 6 or cross over movie with all those villains/anti heroes they keep forcing down our throat.

It just makes me think there must be some stipulation in their agreement not to have more than one in play unless they're in the somthing together.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/25/2024, 9:02 AM
@UniqNo - Yup, if Sony were smart they would find clever, well thought at ways to use them in their own non-MCU films free from having Disney involved in it at all prior to maybe pushing for them to appear only on Battleword not forced into another MCU Spider-Man film.
Matador
Matador - 1/25/2024, 9:04 AM
@Apophis71 - Sony is one company that knows how to fall upwards.



But when they fall it's in style.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 1/25/2024, 9:14 AM
@Apophis71 - If they had to team up again it would only make sense that it will be in Secret Wars, and as that won't be done with Sony, you can see why they're trying to figure out a way to have it be beneficial to them again after NWH's success. But seriously, 2 seperate Spider-Man projects may not make as much bank as No Way Home did, but it will do better numbers compared to the Venoms, Morbius and i'm pretty certain Kraven and Madame web too.
Variant
Variant - 1/25/2024, 9:33 AM
@FireandBlood - They really are. From a business perspective they are so glaringly desperate it's painful to watch. From a film studio perspective, their films are painful to watch...except for their animated super-success.

Seems the path forward is obvious but man do these idiots want to be the MCU so bad.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/25/2024, 9:41 AM
@UniqNo - For sure, allowing them to turn up in Secret wars only realy has a benefit to Sony in increasing interest and BO of their own stuff however a trade off deal for that could be Disney allowing more direct reference of MCU stuff in the Spiderverse films for instance rather than direct fiscal returns.

Connecting each of the two to parts of their villainverse would just make so much sense for them to do and could use Madame Webb down the line to have their own way to have the three together again down the road.

For me, the first having retired could be a way to have Venom find him (enough there to work around him not being a known hero in prior films) along with a young Mayday. Kraven could end up crossing paths with the second if those two films are set in different worlds (that or Morbius for one of them if they cont with that) and could be where the introduce a live action Miles if keeping him entirely for themselves.
Forthas
Forthas - 1/25/2024, 7:35 AM
Sure! Milk that cash cow!!!
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 1/25/2024, 7:36 AM
Just do Spider-Man/Daredevil vs. Kingpin, then introduce Miles in the 5th.
JonAwesome
JonAwesome - 1/25/2024, 8:30 AM
@FireandBlood - 100% brining back the other Spider-Men for part 4 would just cheapen how powerful MCU Spider-Man is. In an ensemble movie it would make since like Secret Wars. It made sense in the last movie because the plot allowed it. But I would love Spidey and DareDevil taking on Fisk!
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/25/2024, 8:58 AM
@FireandBlood - If not Miles, which Sony may say no to them using, at least bring in Jessica Drew which Disney already own half the rights to meaning easier to make a deal with them to fully use.
HulkisHoly
HulkisHoly - 1/25/2024, 1:13 PM
@FireandBlood -

Throw punisher in there too while we are at it.
Spoken
Spoken - 1/25/2024, 7:46 AM
Just make separate movies with the two. I still would love to see Raimi's Spider-Man 4 or TASM3.
marvel72
marvel72 - 1/25/2024, 7:46 AM
Why? We've done the multiverse movie,just keep it Street level.

Make it a a bigger Spidey and then have them return.

Miles can stay in the animated movies.
marvel72
marvel72 - 1/25/2024, 10:38 AM
@marvel72 - Spidey 'event movie"
Usernametaken
Usernametaken - 1/25/2024, 7:47 AM
What a terrible idea.
Moriakum
Moriakum - 1/25/2024, 7:47 AM
Sony being Sony. After the way NWH ended, the right thing to do is to make a 4th movie more grounded, without end of the world stakes.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/25/2024, 9:05 AM
@Moriakum - Yup, go all in on more street level, friendly neighbourhood spider-man film for his fourth before going big again for anymore E.L.E type stuff as heading there soon enough with the Avengers films anyway.
DanFlashesShirt
DanFlashesShirt - 1/25/2024, 7:50 AM
They just never learn. They. Never. F*cking. Learn.
Origame
Origame - 1/25/2024, 7:53 AM
Honestly, I'll take it.

What, with modern superhero movies giving us the likes of morbius, the flash, Thor 4, quantumania, and the marvels, this is a better idea by a mile.

At least it shows they understand what fans like to see.
Jaspion
Jaspion - 1/25/2024, 8:04 AM
"At least it shows they understand what fans like to see."

~Proceeds to make Kraven and Madame Web movies.~
Origame
Origame - 1/25/2024, 8:35 AM
@Jaspion - I mean, bare minimum kraven is getting big now thanks to the ps5 game.

But honestly, I just want something to be excited for in terms of superhero movies. If the worst you can really say is it's repeating the last movie too much, well last movie was fantastic.

Also, why didn't you @ me?
Nolanite
Nolanite - 1/25/2024, 8:45 AM
@Origame - There you go, just @d you
Origame
Origame - 1/25/2024, 8:46 AM
@Nolanite - I truly feel special now that I'm @ed by the one and only nolanite.
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 1/25/2024, 9:08 AM
@Origame - No you wouldn't. Stop pretending like Sony wouldn't totally butcher Spider-Man 4 if they had 100% say in the project.
Origame
Origame - 1/25/2024, 9:11 AM
@comicfan100 - and where did I imply anything of the sort? You do realize, if this is true, that means marvel also ok'd it, right?

I swear, you marvel fanboys are all the same.
Variant
Variant - 1/25/2024, 9:28 AM
@Origame - Sony fails badly at CBMs. What kind of crack rocks are you smoking?!
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 1/25/2024, 9:30 AM
@Origame - Nah, but you trying to spin Sony adding Andrew and Toby as a win is so disingenuous, especially since you're the only one here doing so. Ffs
Origame
Origame - 1/25/2024, 9:41 AM
@Variant - they're doing better than marvel at the moment.

Post endgame they're the only studio to release a superhero movie to pass a billion, and in fact nearly made 2 billion (keep in mind no way home is a Sony movie and Sony made most of the money off that film).

Not only that but looking at the movies corresponding with the times of release (to account for the pandemic and "fatigue" as is the excuse you like to go through), venom 2 made more than shang chi and black widow, and on top of that, while morbius made less than the marvels and quantumania, it also cost significantly less so barely lost any money, whereas you can make at least 3 morbius' with what disney lost with the marvels alone, not to mention quantumania.
Origame
Origame - 1/25/2024, 9:47 AM
@comicfan100- where did I try to spin it as a win? I legit just said it's better than what we've been getting in the genre.

Ffs, you guys are pathetic. You insist I should be more positive, then when I try to see a silver lining in a situation, you come in being like "stop that, this is terrible". Just admit you are bias and want this site to be an echo chamber. 🤣
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 1/25/2024, 10:06 AM
@Origame - When is the last time Sony, not with the help of Marvel Studios, made a GOOD live-action Spider-Man or SM adjacent movie?
Origame
Origame - 1/25/2024, 10:13 AM
@comicfan100 - well, the amazing spiderman.

Arguably venom.

But of course you have to base it around live action. Gotta completely ignore spiderverse, for arbitrary reasons.

Again, when I'm saying sh!t about the mcu, you guys come at me being like "stop being so negative all the time", but when I'm showing some positivity, and it happens to not be in marvels direction, then positivity is now a problem.

Dude, if this were purely a Disney marvel situation (which it still is just as much as any of the spiderman movies from homecoming to no way home), would you seriously say it's still a bad idea?
Variant
Variant - 1/25/2024, 11:41 AM
@Origame - No tf they're not... 😂

Also No Way Home is a MARVEL STUDIOS film. Sony is the distributor. Creative control for all the MCU Spider-Man films are with Marvel. This argument has been long settled.

But leave it to you to cherry pick. "They're doing better because they made the spider-verse cartoons..." Derp...they also made Venom which underperformed and got bad reviews, they also made Morbius which failed miserably in every category possible, they're also making Madame Web which looks absolutely abysmal and will require a miracle to perform even remotely well.

Comparing Venom to Shang-Chi is hilarious. Venom is a crazy popular character. Shang-Chi is not. You're also conveniently ignoring reviews. Shang-Chi is a MUCH better film. And the reviews reflect this.

As for Black Widow, that movie can't even be in the same conversation because it was released at home simultaneously to the theaters. The numbers on that film are so skewed anyone can manipulate an argument around that.

To think Sony is "doing better" than Marvel Studios is staggeringly ignorant.
Origame
Origame - 1/25/2024, 11:58 AM
@Variant - lol. Dude, my argument here is on which studio is doing better.

First of all, marvel isn't the only voice in the room when it comes to spiderman. And regardless of what you say, most of the money is going to Sony because it's their movie. They own the rights. And ffs, the whole marketing was getting people excited to see the characters from the spiderman franchises marvel had absolutely nothing to do with.

You call me cherrypicking, yet you insisted quantumania wasn't a failure.

Dude, venom 2, a movie you claimed underperformed, made more than quantumania. And quantumania was supposed to be their big movie to get people hyped for the multiverse saga. I compared it to shang chi because shang chi, venom 2, and black widow because they were pandemic movies. Something you can't say about quantumania. I was trying to be fair to both franchises, you idiot.

As for black widow, dude, they chose to do that. And even with the $60 million black widow reportedly got from streaming, that still isn't the box office of venom 2. And in terms of popularity, come on. We all knew shang chi was in the mcu, and this was right after endgame. Plenty of unknown superheroes made bank at the box office just from being in the mcu around endgame. Popularity of venom isn't an excuse.

And again, you're ignoring morbius doing better financially than both the marvels and quantumania. The cope is unreal. I wouldn't even call you ignorant because you refuse to learn.
Variant
Variant - 1/25/2024, 12:15 PM
@Origame - Creative control was given to Marvel Studios. Stop trying to skew the facts. It is NOT Sony's movie. The character licensing they have is being lent back to Marvel Studios. These are MCU films that take place in the cinematic universe Marvel Studios created. Also, the Sony SM characters weren't in the original marketing at all. They were all kept secret and were huge surprises in the film. Now you're just straight up making shit up.

Venom 2 made about $500M WW. That's sad for a character that popular. That's like Fox making an X-Men film with Apocalypse that made around the same revenue as the original Ant-Man movie. We're talking AAA IPs being handled like shit. Stop with the reaching, you're not winning this argument nor is anyone agreeing with you.

And lastly, defending MORBIUS is where you're at right now. This is the level you're stooping to in order to try and make a point. That film is a literal joke.

As for refusal to learn. You certainly take that award. You've been proven wrong so many times on this site, by so many different people, revolving around so many different topics, and you still act like you're never wrong. You seem to have this delusion that you're intelligent and you're just not. Stop doing this to yourself.
Origame
Origame - 1/25/2024, 2:52 PM
@Variant - 1) not according to rights. Not according to who gets the money. And again, Sony does have a say. You're the one skewing facts.

2) yes they were. We had Alfred Molino in the first trailer you liar.

3) not as sad as 375 mil for a founding avenger post endgame. But again, both were released during the pandemic.

4) I'm not defending it. The film had a quarter of the budget and more than half the box office of the marvels. Those are objective facts. Morbius barely broke even whereas the marvels lost disney hundreds of millions.

5) dude, you're under the impression creative control is what matters to success when Sony is walking away with the money. You haven't learned. It's just bashing Sony while gaslighting all the times marvel did objectively worse because you're a pathetic fanboy. Thanks for showing your true colors that this had nothing to do with me being too negative 🤣.

I will post you this conversation anytime you try to claim it has nothing to do with disagreeing with me and it's "just because you're too negative"
Variant
Variant - 1/25/2024, 4:09 PM
@Origame - According to rights, Marvel owns the IP and Sony has cinematic licensing. That licensing hasn't expired so they have to lend it back to Marvel Studios to make Spider-Man films. Which they did. "Sony has a say" doesn't equate to them making the film. Because they didn't. It's not their film. That's your claim. You are wrong.

2. I'm talking about the actual Spider-Man characters. Duh.

3. Yes. More sad than that. Sony is garbage and every live action Marvel film they've created outside of SM1 and SM2 have ranged between absolute failure to subpar. They don't even come close to Marvel Studios resume.

4. You're literally trying to position Morbius as a reason "Sony is doing better than Marvel Studios". It's really dumb.

5. It is. Because if Sony were to have made the movie it would have failed like the majority of their other Marvel films. Marvel Studios having creative control is why NWH succeeded. And going back to your original argument, "Sony is doing better"....no they are not. You are wrong. End of conversation. The Sony Marvel films don't even come close to Marvel Studios films. Cherrypick all you want, but overall, Marvel Studios -- even despite their missteps -- out performs Sony by a huge margin.

Get your stupid ass contrarian argument out of here. This is why you have a reputation here of being an idiot. ....Among other things.
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