SPIDER-MAN 4: Jon Watts Has Some Advice For Whoever Directs The Wall-Crawler's Next Movie

SPIDER-MAN 4: Jon Watts Has Some Advice For Whoever Directs The Wall-Crawler's Next Movie

With Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures searching for a new director to take charge of Spider-Man 4, the previous trilogy's director - Jon Watts - has offered a key bit of advice for whoever follows him...

By JoshWilding - May 06, 2024 01:05 PM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man
Source: Collider

When Marvel Studios enlisted Jon Watts to direct Spider-Man: Homecoming, he was a relative unknown. The filmmaker had helmed the low-budget Clown and Cop Car, but neither of those necessarily suggested he was a good fit to bring the wall-crawler into the MCU. 

Like Sam Raimi and Marc Webb before him, Watts proved his detractors wrong by delivering a movie which scored glowing reviews and a spectacular $880.2 million at the worldwide box office. 

Spider-Man: Far From Home followed two years later and earned over $1.1 billion, and when Spider-Man: No Way Home eventually swung into theaters, it grossed a jaw-dropping $1.9 billion (like Homecoming, both movies were praised by fans and critics alike). 

After devoting several years of his life to Spider-Man, Watts decided he needed a break from the MCU and gave up the chance to next take charge of The Fantastic Four. He's since shifted focus to upcoming Star Wars TV series, Skeleton Crew, and a new director will be brought on board for Spider-Man 4.

Talking to Collider, Watts was asked to share his advice for whoever follows in his footsteps. 

"I have a very practical bit of Spider-Man advice, and I think every Spider-Man director goes through it," he started. "It doesn't look good when someone is just swinging on a rope. You think you're gonna go in there, you're like, 'We're gonna do it all practical. We're gonna get a stuntman. We're gonna be swinging around.'"

"It's boring. It looks dumb. It looks like a monkey swinging on a vine when you put someone on just a rope. Don't waste your time. That's my advice to the next Spider-Man director."

It's actually a very interesting piece of advice because that approach is the one Webb took in 2012's The Amazing Spider-Man. There's one scene in the movie with practical swinging and, yes, it does indeed stick out like a sore thumb (and was abandoned for CG web-swining sequences when the sequel rolled around). 

Alongside Tom Holland, Zendaya is expected to reprise her role as MJ. Sydney Sweeny is rumoured to be playing Black Cat, while Scorpion and even the Spider-Slayers are all said to have been considered as Spider-Man 4's villains. Right now, The Kingpin sounds like a dead cert if social media's scoopers are to be believed.

The movie doesn't have a release date, though we're expecting it to arrive in theaters next year. Holland's Peter is also expected to be a major player in the next Avengers movies, with it previously reported that the wall-crawler is going to be the lead character in Avengers 5.

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Gambito
Gambito - 5/6/2024, 1:33 PM
“Don’t let Avi Arad near the set”
StSteven
StSteven - 5/6/2024, 2:56 PM
@Gambito - Watts to the next director:

"Listen to me VERY CAREFULLY: you will need to set up a perimeter. I'm talking about sniper towers, trip wires, laser grids, the works. Arads are sneaky bastards and can easily slip through even the toughest defenses. So you will need traps. And I mean all kinds of traps. Rat traps, bear traps, and pretty much every kind of trap you've ever seen in an Indiana Jones movie. All of it. And don't forget the personal protection: mace. And shitloads of it. And I'm not just talking about run-of-the-mill mace here. That won't keep Ari away. I mean straight up mother**king BEAR MACE. The serious shit. You'll need to have fans set up just blowing that shit 24/7. Trust me. It's the only way I was able to make a $2 billy Spider-Man movie."

TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 5/6/2024, 1:37 PM
That’s fair…

I hope we get some great swinging scenes in the next movie or so since I felt that was lacking to an extent in Watts (though you could say that’s because the origin wasn’t truly over till NWH hence why that last one is so great imo).

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BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 5/6/2024, 1:38 PM
Sam Raimi managed it fine for some practical swinging shots.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 5/6/2024, 1:44 PM
@BritishMonkey - this is the difference between Raimi and Watts
Superspecialawesomeguy
Superspecialawesomeguy - 5/6/2024, 2:57 PM
@BritishMonkey - So did Webb, I think Watts just kind of sucks at it lmao.
narrow290
narrow290 - 5/6/2024, 1:39 PM
Kingpin, Bullseye and of course Daredevil. Sweeny as Blackcat works too
marvel72
marvel72 - 5/6/2024, 3:13 PM
@narrow290 -

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HammerLegFoot
HammerLegFoot - 5/6/2024, 1:39 PM
Let Tom Holland direct it.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 5/6/2024, 1:44 PM
@HammerLegFoot - sure why not. Can't get any worse
Gambito
Gambito - 5/6/2024, 1:49 PM
@HammerLegFoot - the director of the hit film Childs Play?
folieaturd
folieaturd - 5/6/2024, 1:40 PM
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harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 5/6/2024, 1:40 PM
I wonder who they are gonna cast?
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 5/6/2024, 1:44 PM
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Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 5/6/2024, 1:57 PM
Is anyone actually surprised? No wonder the MCU Inferior Spideyboy's swinging f*cking sucks, the man behind the camera has no talent, no passion and no idea how to make something that should be extremely important for the character, something that gives that sense-of-wonder, something that was achieved 2 DECADES earlier.

Watts was a f*cking mistake i hope i never see him again directing a Spidey movie or any CBM in general.



And of course...

CINEMA!
GhostDog
GhostDog - 5/6/2024, 1:45 PM
Is he…dense?
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 5/6/2024, 1:54 PM
@GhostDog - He made "Penis Peter" so yeah probably.
Lem1
Lem1 - 5/6/2024, 1:57 PM
@harryba11zack - Naw, that was Flash, bro
Lem1
Lem1 - 5/6/2024, 1:56 PM
Those practical effects made it more believable in TASM. It was a good reference to work off of with cgi. What's Watts on about?! 😄🤔🙂
grif
grif - 5/6/2024, 1:56 PM
swinging on a rope would look more real and cost less. maybe do more takes till you get a good swing and worry less about bullshit jokes in the movie
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 5/6/2024, 2:03 PM
Anyway , looking forward to Wolfs and Skeleton Crew in terms of Watt’s upcoming projects…

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Anyone hear this?.

https://collider.com/star-wars-skeleton-crew-matte-paintings/
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 5/6/2024, 2:17 PM
Solid advice from the guy who made films like this.
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dragon316
dragon316 - 5/6/2024, 3:06 PM
@HashTagSwagg - well that’s just lazy gun I see cgi but stupid background really that’s lazy
JFerguson
JFerguson - 5/6/2024, 2:23 PM
The green goblins last stand used all practical effects. Looked believable to me
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 5/6/2024, 2:25 PM
The problem is that it's supposed to be a guy who can lift 10 tons swinging from a rope. That would make supporting themselves effortless. I can see where that would become very difficult practically.

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ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 5/6/2024, 2:53 PM
@Izaizaiza - and it's not a rope. It's elastic and strong
webbing beyond anything we use in the real world
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 5/6/2024, 2:27 PM
Watts SM ranking (favorite to least)….

1.Homecoming
2.NWH
3.FFH

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SheepishOne
SheepishOne - 5/6/2024, 3:15 PM
@TheVisionary25 - I think that's mine as well. NWH had a lot of good moments, but the pacing wasn't great (especially in the first half), and the humor felt way too forced. There's also something about NWH that just felt...uncanny valley to me. I have a hard time articulating it, but I think it has something to do with all the green screen sets. If you told me Tobey, Andrew, and Tom were only physically together for one scene, I'd believe it.

Something about Tobey also felt really off. I know he's older and presumably a lot has changed in that Peter's life. But he barely felt like the same character.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 5/6/2024, 3:29 PM
@SheepishOne - idk about the pacing but I do think second half as stronger then the first…

Humor worked for me but it’s been awhik since I have seen it

I didn’t feel that way about Tobey but I just took it to it being awhike since we have seen him so he’s changed to a degree , plus he had not acted in awhile aswell so it was probably a bit of rust
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 5/6/2024, 2:36 PM
Guess that explains why the swinging looked kinda boring in the MCU trilogy. Think having a reference atleast might work in it's favor though, even if it's all digitally painted over.

Anyway, bring back the swinging from The Amazing Spider-Man movies. It's one of the things those movies got right atleast.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 5/6/2024, 2:47 PM
@bkmeijer1 - I mean aside from the first TASM , they also used cg for the swinging scenes same with Raimi.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 5/6/2024, 4:42 PM
@TheVisionary25 - true. Do feel there was some sort of human reference in there though. MCU trilogy felt like CGI from the start
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 5/6/2024, 4:45 PM
@bkmeijer1 - was there?

You could be right though I have never heard of it.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 5/6/2024, 4:53 PM
@TheVisionary25 - I have no idea if it's there. Might also just be because Maguire and Garfield are taller it looked more natural/real
PC04
PC04 - 5/6/2024, 2:57 PM
What an absolutely terrible take. Give me a crack at directing this thing, you'll get amazing swinging and swinging fight scenes.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 5/6/2024, 3:00 PM
What exactly is bad about this take?.

Almost all of the Spidey films have had CG swinging scenes so why is this a bad thing…
EgoEgor
EgoEgor - 5/6/2024, 3:21 PM
My advice for the next director would be "stop making changes for the sake of change" like Watts and the Homecoming franchise continually did.

Like making MJ not MJ, making his best friend into a Ganke rippoff cause you don't want to use Harry. Make Flash Thompson neutered just because its different. Dont make changes because you're afraid to get compared to something good.
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