SUPERMAN: To reboot, or not to reboot… THAT is the question.

SUPERMAN: To reboot, or not to reboot… THAT is the question.

Should old’ blue eyes be reborn? And if so, who to bare the “S” without throwing it?

Editorial Opinion
By Shaman - Dec 30, 2008 12:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Superman

As the debate rages on as to the question “Should WB/DC keep Brandon Rooth as Superman?” in our friend Superman4’s own thread (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/fancentral/news/?a=5726), our other friend Joker1zero on the other hand has written his own version of what should be the reboot at hand of the man in tights (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/superherostories/news/?a=5656). But the question still remains unanswered. Does Superman need a reboot? Was Superman’s “return” in vain? Would his rebirth be more adequate?

When “Superman Returns” was announced, it was what every superfan had dreamt of for decades. And was to be most promising having X-Men’s own Bryan Singer to helm it’s production on every front. Having written the script and baring the approval of Richard Donner himself, Singer seemed as exited as a child at Christmas to be able to create what was to be the “official” and “new” adventures of the most popular superhero ever to come from a comic book.

When he got the “green light” from anyone that “mattered” to him, he put everything aside including the ever so anticipated conclusion of his X-Trilogy as well as commonly known comic book continuity to bring us his favoured project on the big screen. He was so enthralled by his own ambitions that he neglected to take in consideration of what was to be the fans opinions on what he had spawned. It was as if he made the very movie for himself and not truly for the superhero’s fans. The fans cry was heard world wide as we learned that Lois Lane’s illegitimate son had krytonian blood flowing in his veins. A much different version of what us fans expected to be the origins of “Superboy”. To rob us of Superman’s highly in demand death was one thing, but to change the aspects of one of the most popular comic book story lines known as “the reign of the Supermen” to fit his own ambition was purely insanity. So much so that it blinded us all of the hard work put in this project to make it the most spectacular and most entertaining adventure Superman ever had at the box office. That movie was a pure adrenalin rush to the head baring special effects the likes of which we had never seen and that wasn’t to be matched until Marvel’s Ironman came about. Singer had created a masterpiece and turned it into a disgrace.

It is a sad realisation that not only a reboot is what we want but also, what the very characters we love actually need. Now with the recent success of The Dark Knight and Incredible Hulk, the execs at WB are convinced that what they need is a “darker, grittier” feel to their upcoming Superman project. So to answer my good friend IonParalax’s everlasting question “how could they possibly get it wrong every single time?” It now seems to be evidently simple… they don’t listen. They base their “needs” on the winnings that were earned with “darker, grittier” characters and now think they should use that darkness to attract the masses but all they will be doing will be to tarnish the very essence of the character we know and love. Superman doesn’t need “darkness” he needs JUSTICE! To think of the undying source of award winning material this character has had in his existence and WB can’t even get passed Lex Luther as the main antagonist. The “human brain better than alien brawn” routine has been done too many times over. Superman needs more formidable foes that meet his standards such as Brainiac, Darkseid and Doomsday. The only way Lex could become a truthful thorn in Superman’s side is to one day become the president of the United States. Lex Luther is not a petty thief; he’s an ingenious businessman, and a side of him the movies have never shown to this date.

And so if the origins of Kal-El were to be remade, I believe it should begin without any loose ends in Smallville. The reason why Clark would actually wish to move to metropolis would be because there simply isn’t anything left holding him in Smallville. After his adopted parents deaths, he then should realise that he is cut out for bigger and better things. Getting a job at the Daily Planet, he meets with not the love of his life but rather the most competitive striving young journalist he has ever met, Lois Lane. Instead of developing a lasting friendship that would later blossom as his love interest, he finds a most potent rival that will make him not only have to prove his prowess as Superman but also as one of Metropolis’s best reporters. Developing a rivalry that would resemble Mel Gibson and Helen Hunt’s in “What Women Want”. Yet another side we have never seen before. In fact, never have they even showed us a logical and valid “reason” as to why Clark Kent would be able to keep his job. Peter Parker brings in “great” shots of Spider-man as a freelance photographer well then Clark sure as hell can and should demonstrate his writing abilities. I much rather have a young yet cocky and confident country boy walk into town thinking he owns it than a bumbling idiot that got lucky in getting that job. Or else why would Perry White even bother hiring him?

Now as a fresh new “start” to this character’s beginnings, it would be fitting to cast younger actors than their predecessors for Clark as well as Lex. Brandon Routh did an amazing job to fill Christopher Reeves shoes, some would say he was even sculpted to fit in those shoes however I strongly believe that we shouldn’t just turn the page on this character but re-write the book completely to ultimately do him justice. LastSon1027 gave me a great idea and I’ve been talking it over with Joker1Zero as to who should rightfully play the roles in this fresh recreation of sorts. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you… Chris Pine as Superman!



Wentworth Miller as Lex Luther! Kudos to Joker1Zero for this one.



Everybody’s favourite, Michael Clark Duncan as Darkseid!



And maybe not a fan favourite however one of my own top three favourite actors ever… Ed Harris as Brainiac! (Just picture him with the make up)



The “Shaman” has spoken!
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OriginalPhysco
OriginalPhysco - 12/30/2008, 2:15 PM
yea Wentworth Miller should play lex
Joker1zero
Joker1zero - 12/30/2008, 2:18 PM
Dude this is Awesome! I love your picks. Thanks for the shout out. I'll help you spread the word.
Shaman
Shaman - 12/30/2008, 2:40 PM
Thanks dude, and i love your scenario! you guys should go check it out! Keep it up Joker1!!!
realfirstavenger
realfirstavenger - 12/30/2008, 3:44 PM
i like the last 3 pics
especially MCD as Darkseid, he would kill it
not sure about the superman choice though
and anyone who doesnt like Ed Harris is a dumbass in my opinion, he is a great actor and is terribly underrated
TheUnknown
TheUnknown - 12/30/2008, 4:00 PM
Miller looks to young to be Lex. But they do need to reboot it, and yes, it is beacuase Superman has a son. Ignore the metaphor and humanistic qualities that comes with Sup's kid, HE SHOULD NOT PROCREATE....yet.
FrizzBee
FrizzBee - 12/30/2008, 4:22 PM
I don't know... I think Val Kilmer would either make a good Braniac... or Jor-El. He has kind of presence to pull off either, I think.
Shaman
Shaman - 12/30/2008, 4:35 PM
True that firstav, he is the most underated actor out there! And who would you suggest as a young Superman aside from Weller?

Unknown, of course these pics ar IF and only IF they had to reboot, start from scratch, and have Lex and Clark be young men in their 20ies.

Holy shit FrizzBee!!! Val Kilmer would make an AMAZING Jor-El!!! He has the same looks, posture, attitude and presence as Marlon Brando did in the original one! Monumental choice there frizz!!!
wadewilson1
wadewilson1 - 12/30/2008, 5:51 PM
i don't know about wentworth he don't seem to be very buisness like to me he just looks more like a brawler lex should be played by someone older, i think Michael Keaton would be better he can do buisness and pscho.i almost said no to chris pine but i thought about smoking aces and that guy can do some acting so that is a +1 for him.And ed harris is awsome there isn't nothing he can't do.
IonParallax
IonParallax - 12/30/2008, 6:08 PM
Excellence again Shaman. You know i'm ALL for Michael Clark Duncan as Darkseid, i've said that more times than I can remember. Ed Harris...FREAKIN' SWEET! So underrated, very true. Chris Pine seems to be a good choice...As for Wentworth Miller, i'm on the fence about that one. Not giving it a thumb either way, just kind of iffy. I'd have to see something with him in a role like Lex's before making my final decision.

But all in all man, you do awesome. Keep it up! OH! and check out my page (Book of Oa). I FINALLY finished the trilogy and added my 3rd week of Spotlight. Enjoy.
Shaman
Shaman - 12/30/2008, 6:23 PM
Well wade, if they continue with the same storyline yet go a bit darker, Michael Keaton would be the best pick to show us the darker side of Lex the likes of which we've never witnessed. Keaton is also part of my top three favorite actors of all time along side Ed Harris. The third one... i haven't put my finger on it yet LOL.

Thanks ION, coming from you it means a lot to me! As for Miller, i agree that it would be nice for him to prove he fits the "talent" bill to play Lex but he's already soo talented and he gives off that ..."vibe", ya'know. But yeah, i'd love to have confirmation! Dude, you got the spotlight AND the third part!!! SWEET!!! I'll check that out ASAP! As should everybody else at:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BookofOa/
Shaman
Shaman - 12/30/2008, 6:24 PM
I got it!!! JACK himself! My third "top three of all time" is none other than Jack Nicholson!!! Whew, took me awhile LOL :P
SupermanReturns2
SupermanReturns2 - 12/30/2008, 8:03 PM
WHY do you guys not like Brandon as Superman? H didn't murder the role. He was as convincing as Reeve during his time. and I don't believe it was an impersonation as much as one man being quite similar as the other.

Brandon Routh as Superman!
Tenaciousbt
Tenaciousbt - 12/30/2008, 10:12 PM
Bruce1066, holy sh** man! Grow a brain and get off Brandon’s Sack. OH, and don't even say that Brandon ,that terrible actor, was anywhere in the same universe of believability as the Juilliard trained Chris Reeve.

Now Shaman. Great post. I agree with 90% of what you say, and the choices for the cast are great especially Wentworth Miller for Lex, wow I can't believe I didn't think of that. But I think Luthor should only have a very small part in the next Superman movie. I stand by my thoughts that Brandon Routh was a sad, and bad Chris Reeve impersonator (posted elsewhere), so I don't think he did a good job. And I would rather see Tom Welling or Jim Caviezel, but great post. If you don't like Welling. Take a hard look at Caviezel. He has the look. Black Hair, Blue eyes, right height,age, and actor ability coming out the yin yang.
Shaman
Shaman - 12/30/2008, 10:14 PM
Yes well no one here has said he wasn't good as Superman, bruce. Don't get all pissy. In fact we had nothing but compliments but if they were to reboot and go for Superman's origins, he doesn't fit the bill.
Shaman
Shaman - 12/30/2008, 10:22 PM
Good pick tenacious, Jim Caviezel would do great IF he were to pick up where Routh left off. Yet again, as a reboot origins of sorts, he's a bit to old. And i agree with you for Lex's role which is why i think he'd do great in the background as the president. As for Welling, main reason i don't like him is that no matter what he does, he reaks of inocence. Which is great for teen Clark but when he reaches Metropolis, i wanna see him with bigger cohones. And Chris Pine can pull off massive ones naturally! He, unlike Welling, will be able to take the character where it's never been.
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 12/31/2008, 2:16 AM
HONESTLY IT SHOULD BE REBOOTED,WHY GIVE SUPERMAN MORE WEAKNESSES,KRYPONITE AND MAGIC AND LOUIS WAS ENOUGH, NOW A SON?NO ITS LIKE GIVING BATMAN TOO MANY PARTNERS...ABSOLUTELY DO NOT MAKE SUPERMAN DARK, THAT WOULD BE RETARDED,AND PISS ALOT OF PEOPLE OFF.BATMAN IS DARK,DONT THINK IT WILL WORK ON SUPERMAN BECAUSE HEIS BATMANS OPPOSITE,HE'S A BOYSCOUT,IF YOU MAKE SUPERMAN DARK I HOPE YOU CAN FIND A GOOD HIDING PLACE WHEN IT HITS THE FAN.IF YOU WANNA MAKE IT DARK, MAKE WHATS HAPPENING AROUND HIM DARK,DOOMSDAY,DARKSIDE,THE KRYPTONIANS AND ZOD,THESE THINGS WORK,THE BOOK SALES SPEAK FOR IT THE FANS ARE HUNGRY FOR IT.BRANDON ROUTH LOOKS THE PART, ITS JUST THE COSTUME CHANGES URKED ME,AND HE DIDNT PLAY CLARK KENT LIKE REEVE DID,THAT NERD REEVE PLAYED WAS HILARIOUS AND EXTREMELY ENTERTAINING,KENT HAS TO BE PLAYED OVER THE TOP NERDY AND RIDICULOUSLY AWKWARD, ITS PART OF HIS DISGUISE. ID PICK TOM WELLING, SOME SAY HE SHOULDNT BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM DO IT.
SirExcalibur
SirExcalibur - 12/31/2008, 3:59 AM
Those were all really sweet picks man. I never even thought of Chris Pine as Supes but that's pretty awesome. I personally would like to see Tom Welling do it just cause it'd be sweet watching Smallville then it going into the movies. I AGREE WITH GUNSMITH TOO! lol. If they made it dark as he said it would just have to be dark events taking place around him and Superman would have to remain that bright beacon oh light in the darkness.
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 12/31/2008, 4:27 AM
WHY NOT OPEN A SITE THAT FANS AND PEOPLE INTERESTED CAN IMPUT WHAT THEY WANNA SEE IN A SUPERMAN MOVIE,ASK QUESTIONS, ACTORS PLOTS,VILLAINS.,A LIST OF DIRECTORS.. GET THE TOP OF THOSE POLLS,AND MAKE THE MOVIE PEOPLE TRULY WOULD SPEND 10 BUCKS TO SEE,PLUS THE GAWD AWFUL THEATER FOOD PRICES.
ReikoLJ
ReikoLJ - 12/31/2008, 5:12 AM
They should reboot with Tom Welling dammit :D
Or Routh again :P
baburbaslangic
baburbaslangic - 12/31/2008, 5:23 AM
Keep Brandon !!!
LastSon1027
LastSon1027 - 12/31/2008, 7:17 AM
First off thanks for the Shout Out! Shaman I gotta say I like all your picks and I can get behind everyone EXCEPT Superman. I'm a huge Superman fan and I have to say in my eyes there is only one guy who can play this role right now. I like Chris Pine don't get me wrong but I think he would make a better Daredevil than Supes. SO I must respectfully disagree and say that I believe the only man for the job is the one that Christopher Reeves himself said is the perfect choice.

TOM WELLING! I know there are a lot of people who hate Smallville but I'm certainly not one of them. I think you have to take it for what it is. More or less it's an Elseworlds tale. But I think Welling has the perfect look for the modern day Superman. He has the build and the face and he is familiar with the role. I thought Routh looked the part too but he wasn't so much playing Superman as he was playing Christopher Reeves playing Superman.

I would love to see the Kents played by their Smallville counterparts also. I know, I know I'm being biased but I thought they did a great job as wholesome farm people who just wanted to raise their boy right.

As for Jor-El, it really depends what kind of Jor-El you want to see. If you want Jor-El similar to Brando than I say go with Brian Cox. If you go the other direction and want a Jor-El who resembles Kal-El, (Which I believe is the way they need to go.) Then maybe cast Caviezel as Jor-El on Krypton. As for Jor-El in the Fortress I say he should just be a disembodied voice.

But that being said I would want to keep Smallville Lois Lane Erica Durance unless the role could be filled by Katherine Heigl. Now before anyone gives me hell on this pick watch the movie "27 Dresses". She plays a journalist and is quite good.

As for Lex, I don't know too much about the guy you picked for him but he looks the role. I do know that my first pick would be Michael Rosenbaum from Smallville. I think he is wonderfully evil as Lex Luthor. Although I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Spacey reprise.

As for Darkseid, I don't believe anyone else could play him other than MCD.

Brainiac is a tricky role to cast. I think Ed Harris is a great actor and could totally pull that role off. I would totally say Kevin Spacey but having already played Lex there is no realistic chance of that ever happening. But I like Harris in that role, he can totally play EVIIIILLLLLL!

I completely agree that in no way shape or form should Superman be a dark movie.

As for the story I think they need to start over completely. From the ground up! Jor-El informing the council of the dangers at hand. Lara and him sending their baby away. Martha talking about wanting a child. BOOM! They find Kal-El in the ship..... The classic origin tale.

I agree Lex should totally start off as a secondary villain hiding in the shadows waiting and watching Supes. Possibly triggering events leading to other villains such as Parasite or Bizarro.

I also agree that Clark should be more confident, a talented writer and a formidable opponent for Lois. I also think Lois should be pushy and make fun of Clark. I love it when she calls him "Smallville".

But absolutely above all else, NO BRIAN SINGER! Nobody here wants to see "Singerman II" We need to break away from the Donner Series. As great as it was it is time to start over completely. Don't mess with a classic.

By the way Shaman did I mention I love this site!
cyclopstb
cyclopstb - 12/31/2008, 8:12 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Keep Routh as Superman. He's excellent. Spacey as Luther as perfect. But I like to see Routh's Superman beat the hell out of him in a sequel with extra villians. I would have to say no reboot. Just do a sequel and make it darker. I like these actors to play Darkseid and Brainiac.
Inohaku
Inohaku - 12/31/2008, 8:37 AM
Excellent choices for Brainiac and Darkseid. Keep Routh and Spacey and continue the story, reboot not necessary at all and a risk. It just won't do well at the box office, everybody knows the old films. People won't be interested in a new interpretation, posing a great risk for the franchise.


tminus
tminus - 12/31/2008, 9:03 AM
they should just make the death of superman make it into 3 seperate movies follow the comic and don't screw it up!
RandomHerm
RandomHerm - 12/31/2008, 9:22 AM
To reboot, please, just to reboot.
Forget the little Singer's toy.

And... I think Brandon could be good for the character of Superman. He just need a better actor's director, a true Superman dress, a NON-son, a good screenplay with the understanding of a universe bigger than Lex Luthor, a serious production to return him to the original values keeping him out of darkness's mode, and... well, I suppose you can get my point. ; )

Cheers.
Conchizzle
Conchizzle - 12/31/2008, 9:52 AM
Love ths site, first off.

I really think your "Lois vs. Clark" idea is spectactular, it NEEDS to be done.

Anybody have good ideas for the plot for this movie? I mean, there has to be a more interesting idea than a random alien invasion from Apokalips, but what else? Any ideas on how to get Darkseid to Earth?
Matowar
Matowar - 12/31/2008, 10:33 AM
Wow lots of opinions here. Brandon did a fine job of playing Superman and the movie was pretty good. The problem was that he was facing Lex Luthor again. Superman didnt get a chance to fight anyone, except when he was all messed up from kryptonite. The next movie should be Superman running through a gauntlet of supervillians Darkseid, Bizaro, Brainiac, Doomsday, Metallo, Parasite, Solomon Grundy, Mr. Mxyzptlk, Toyman, Titano, Lobo, General Zod and anyone else who can give Supes a run for his money. Screw it make it a trilogy that lasts for about 3 hours per movie and comes out 1 per year.
Hyson
Hyson - 12/31/2008, 10:35 AM
Needs a trilogy. Death of Superman in one movie, two movies covering Return of Superman. Cast a guy who is actually fit and decently sized. I'd like to see an aggressive Luthor rather than comical. All-in-all though, I could care less about Superman and more about Batman and a squidless Watchmen.
Borgie
Borgie - 12/31/2008, 10:51 AM
OMG - I just signed up to this site to comment on this BS!

Stop with the "Death of Supes" Trilogy crap - it wouldn't work on film - budget issues to start off with etc.

And how on earth can u replace Routh??? He was fantastic as Supes! I hope they DO NOT reboot, but if they did as long as they keep Routh, Singer and the Suit, then i could potentially get over it.

P.S. Chris Pine and Wentworth Miller wouldn't work - too young and not the best actors around.
Last two would totally work!
Spock
Spock - 12/31/2008, 10:55 AM
Shaman I'm DIGGIN the article and the pics. Very informative. What exactly do u do for work up in the North. To be fair, I work for a cable company & finishing school for Computer Science.
loganoneil
loganoneil - 12/31/2008, 11:11 AM
I say 'REBOOT' - PLEASE!!!! After the last one (which started off ok, but c'mon - Kal fathers a hypochondriac super-brat?!!), I think the only logical thing to do is 'tear down the walls!'

Thumbs up for the choices of Luthor, Darkseid (Ducan has the voice AND the build!) and Brainiac (Ed Harris is an extermely underrated actor!), but can't seem to get into Pine as Kal. In fact, I've had problems with the physical appearance of both movie Supermen. He's supposed to be an displaced alien / Kansas farmboy - he's drawn big (not 'Ah-nold' big, but really ...'cut')! Both Christopher and Brandon were tall and kinda' skinny. I think someone the size of Dean Cain (the guy who played him in the 'Lois and Clark' TV series) would be perfect - NOT HIM per se, but someone his SIZE.

...and for god's sake, dump the Super-suit mark II! Superman's colors are supposed to be blue, yellow and red, not blue, copper and dark maroon! ...and fix the damn neckline/cape! Routh looked like he was constantly choking in that damn thing!
adamant877
adamant877 - 12/31/2008, 11:20 AM
I disagree with the notion that we need a younger actor to play the role of Superman (which seems to be the gerneal consensus, I see). Let me explain...
From a marketing standpoint, it sounds completely viable. You want a franchize, so you want someone to be around for a while, right?
But lets not forget what makes horrible movies horrible: it's listening to the sound of the register over our own guts. And my gut tells me that no matter how good looking or young an actor is, if he doesn't have that authoritative feel of an experienced, seasoned veteran, it WILL NOT be a believable adaptation of the character! Besides, dozens of actors have played this role.
I think we should be looking for seasoned actors (like Ed Harris, good choice Joker1Zero!), not babyfaced, franchize-fillers!
But yeah, definitely reboot!!
Joker1zero
Joker1zero - 12/31/2008, 11:20 AM
You all should check out my site for the reboot idea. Shaman listed it at the top of his article. Check it out and tell what you think.
loganoneil
loganoneil - 12/31/2008, 11:21 AM
I totally agree with adamant877!
LastSon1027
LastSon1027 - 12/31/2008, 11:24 AM
I have to agree with "loganoneil" Back to basics on the suit. The Superman Returns suit was horrible. And I was thinking that Chris Pine actually wouldn't be a bad choice for Kon-El (Superboy). He has the eyes and the hair. He just doesn't have the Kent/Supes hair. But he would be a totally awesome Superboy.
adamant877
adamant877 - 12/31/2008, 11:27 AM
As for LastSon1027... Do you know how I know you're gay? You've actually SEEN "27 Dresses!!!" lol
(Just Kidding)
LastSon1027
LastSon1027 - 12/31/2008, 11:31 AM
Yeah I know that sounds gay but in reality I'm married so I have to suffer through chick flicks now. But at least they have hot chicks in them.
loganoneil
loganoneil - 12/31/2008, 11:38 AM
LastSon1027 - I feel your pain.. I'm married too and was dragged (kicking and sceaming) to see '27 Dresses' (...and 'Mamma Mia' as well [shudder])! Fortunately my wife also loves comic book movies and MMA, so I guess it all balances out in the end!
adamant877
adamant877 - 12/31/2008, 11:39 AM
God bless hot chicks! lol
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