Here's Why Michael Keaton's BATMAN Was Retired In THE FLASH

Here's Why Michael Keaton's BATMAN Was Retired In THE FLASH

In a special behind-the-scenes featurette, director Andy Muschietti explains why Michael Keaton's Batman is retired when audiences first meet him in The Flash.

By MarkJulian - Jul 22, 2023 01:07 PM EST
Filed Under: The Flash

In a new behind-the-scenes look at The Flash, director Andy Muschietti and producer Barbara Muschietti explain why Michael Keaton's Batman is retired.

"I always said, something should have happened to Bruce Wayne to want to stop being Batman. And my idea was that he did something that goes against his code. He killed a criminal in front of his child- unknowingly, but he still did it."

"Which is an exact, mirroring situation of him, when his parents were killed in front of him, in front of the Monarch Theater. And that created the monster that Batman is. So, he just couldn't cope with it."

It's a shame this backstory wasn't left in the film, as it would have contrasted nicely with Ben Affleck's Dark Knight.  

Where one Batman just fell deeper into the darkness (prior to Batman vs Superman), another chose to retire and hang up his cowl.

The Flash is the biggest box office flop for Warner Bros. Pictures. The film has grossed only $267.6 million worldwide against a production budget of $200-220 million.

The film was reviewed poorly by critics, who criticized its convoluted plot, its lack of focus, and its poor CGI. This made it difficult for the film to attract audiences as it would face steep competition in the weeks following its release.

It is estimated that the film will lose Warner Bros. around $200 million.

It will be up to Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom to send Zack Snyder's DCEU out with a bang as the final installment in the much-maligned cinematic universe.

James Gunn has previously stated that the new DC Studios film canon starts with Superman: Legacy.

OFFICAL SYNOPSIS: Worlds collide in “The Flash” when Barry uses his superpowers to travel back in time in order to change the events of the past. But when his attempt to save his family inadvertently alters the future, Barry becomes trapped in a reality in which General Zod has returned, threatening annihilation, and there are no Super Heroes to turn to. That is, unless Barry can coax a very different Batman out of retirement and rescue an imprisoned Kryptonian… albeit not the one he’s looking for. Ultimately, to save the world that he is in and return to the future that he knows, Barry’s only hope is to race for his life. But will making the ultimate sacrifice be enough to reset the universe?

“The Flash” ensemble also includes rising star Sasha Calle, Michael Shannon (“Bullet Train,” “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice”), Ron Livingston (“Loudermilk,” “The Conjuring”), Maribel Verdú (“Elite,” “Y tu mamá también”), Kiersey Clemons (“Zack Snyder’s Justice League,” “Sweetheart”), Antje Traue (“King of Ravens,” “Man of Steel”) and Michael Keaton (“Spider-Man: Homecoming,” “Batman”).

“The Flash” is produced by Barbara Muschietti (the “IT” films, “Mama”) and Michael Disco (“Rampage,” “San Andreas”). The screenplay is by Christina Hodson (“Birds of Prey,” “Bumblebee”), with a screen story by John Francis Daley & Jonathan Goldstein (“Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves,” “Spider-Man: Homecoming”) and Joby Harold (“Transformers:Rise of the Beasts,” “Army of the Dead”), based on characters from DC. The executive producers are Toby Emmerich, Walter Hamada, Galen Vaisman and Marianne Jenkins.

Joining director Muschietti behind the camera are director of photography Henry Braham (“Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3,” “The Suicide Squad”), production designer Paul Denham Austerberry (“IT Chapter Two,” “The Shape of Water”), editors Jason Ballantine (the “IT” films, “The Great Gatsby”) and Paul Machliss (“The Gentlemen,” “Baby Driver”), and costume designer Alexandra Byrne (“Doctor Strange,” “Guardians of the Galaxy”); the score is by Benjamin Wallfisch (“The Invisible Man,” the “IT” films).

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LSHF
LSHF - 7/22/2023, 1:48 PM
Okay. I think it's better as a mystery, though.

Looking forward to the physical Blu-ray release so I can watch many of the scenes again.
LSHF
LSHF - 7/22/2023, 1:50 PM
I just figured that he figured that he was "too old for this shit". 🤪
BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 7/22/2023, 1:59 PM
That sounds silly.
I mean he killed goons all the time, and I get the intention behind this idea, but yeah a little silly.
MarkJulian
MarkJulian - 7/22/2023, 2:02 PM
@BritishMonkey - The point is that he killed a criminal in front of his kid. Big difference, since that's what inspired him to become Batman. He became the thing he hated.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 7/22/2023, 2:34 PM
@BritishMonkey - People always say this about Michale Keaton's Batman, but there is a discrepancy between the way he is written (by Sam Hamm) and the way he is directed (mostly second unit directed).

If Michael Keaton's Batman has no problem killing goons (as evidenced by the guy he threw down the bell tower and the strongman he blew up with dynamite in some of the second unit action scenes) how do you reconcile that with his pleading with Selina not to kill Max Shreck? His way is to just take Max Shreck to the police. Selina wants to kill him.

These two things are irreconclable other than the second unit (or possibly Burton) made a mistake.
Nate212
Nate212 - 7/22/2023, 4:22 PM
@ObserverIO - I feel like him pleading with Selina not to kill Max is because he doesn't want her to become a killer. It doesn't necessarily mean that he's against killing in general (which is another issue entirely), but rather he just doesn't want her to kill.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/22/2023, 6:57 PM
@MarkJulian - I understand he is saying this time the killing happened in front of his kid.

But Batman would have been around for a while before having a kid. And he was in very public fights where he killed people. His kid would have already known he was a killer.
MarkJulian
MarkJulian - 7/22/2023, 7:11 PM
@CorndogBurglar - No, he killed a criminal in front of the criminal's kid, not Batman's kid.
BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 7/22/2023, 8:41 PM
@MarkJulian - That I understand and like I said I get the intention with it. I think what I'm trying to wrap my head around is they decided to give him a kid, this Bruce a kid I mean. Him being a dad in genera lisn't out of the ordinary at all. He'd start his own orphanage if he could for all the kids he's adopted over the years.
But like did he and Selina have a kid then? What happened for him to off a goon on front of them? I guess I need a little more clarity on the idea.
BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 7/22/2023, 8:43 PM
@ObserverIO - I never really thought about that contradiction or hypocrisy when it came to Schrek and Selina lol
Like he can blow up a factory full of goons and hurl them off buildings but then with Schrek he says no.
Maybe because he just wanted it to be dealt with in a more legal manner? Different as opposed to Joker I suppose.
newhire13
newhire13 - 7/22/2023, 10:21 PM
@ObserverIO - He was pretty much trying to save her soul.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/22/2023, 10:49 PM
@MarkJulian - Oh got it. I was a little confused there.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 7/23/2023, 4:34 AM
@Nate212 - That's a good explanation, but I feel like the writer was just trying to represent that aspect of his character from the comic books.

A similar scene happened one year later in the animated movie, Mask of the Phantasm, where he's pleading with Andrea not to kill Joker. This is the sort of thing Batman does, because he can't abide killing.

Sam Hamm gets a lot of shit for anything those movies did wrong, but he's always the first one to say "Hey, that's not how I wrote it". He was always trying to be true to the character.
relentless1
relentless1 - 7/23/2023, 7:32 AM
@ObserverIO - my theory is that learning Joker killed his family sent him over the deep end, he didn't kill anyone in Batman 89 until that realization, then in Returns hes basically in a depression and kills indiscriminately until Selina wakes him up and he reaffirms that killing was no good; he sees in her a mirror of himself and realizes what path hes heading down and decided to change it for himself and for her too. This is why his speech to Dick Grayson in Forever as well as his mental problems in that film make so much sense especially the novel version which deals with his guilt a lot more over his parents death.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 7/23/2023, 8:35 AM
@relentless1 - That's a good damn theory. Especially if we're including the Schumacher films, because he makes it very clear to Dick that he didn't stop with Joker, that it went "Out into the night to find another face, and another, until one terrible moment you wake up and realise that revenge has become your whole life and you won't know why".
relentless1
relentless1 - 7/23/2023, 9:34 AM
@ObserverIO - my theory also give me new appreciation for Georges Bruce Wayne because by the end of Forever hes reconciled both of his two halves " im not batman because I have to be, now because I CHOOSE to be" and so that leaves Georges version in a much happier place so I can see how he'd be a lot more carefree
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 7/22/2023, 2:02 PM
I know Michael Keaton got paid but it must suck knowing the film you were in was the biggest financial disaster for WB and the Batgirl film you were featured in was cancelled after it was finished shooting and your cameos in Aquaman 2 were cut😳



The Michael Keaton disrespect from WB is not ok!!!!😡
bobevanz
bobevanz - 7/22/2023, 2:06 PM
I thought it was Michelle Pfeiffer from behind in the trailer hahaha
Forthas
Forthas - 7/22/2023, 2:08 PM
That reasoning reminds me of the time Batman confronted Deadshot in the Ayers Suicide Squad film. I thought to myself why would Batman confront him when he is with his young daughter. That was the most jarring part of that scene because it was so out of character for Batman.


AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 7/22/2023, 2:14 PM
@Forthas -


I cringed during that whole interaction😳
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 7/22/2023, 2:16 PM
@Forthas -

Not to mention he attacks him in an alley.🤡


Forthas
Forthas - 7/22/2023, 2:21 PM
@AmazingFILMporg - PLUS...he does not seem to object to the little girl acting as a human shield. This was super cringe!
Scarilian
Scarilian - 7/22/2023, 2:38 PM
@Forthas -
I believe the whole idea is using Deadshots feelings for his daughter against him, either in the form of Deadshot surrendering peacefully because Batman has tracked him down to avoid exposing his criminal side in-front of his daughter OR to get the daughter to plead with Deadshot to get him to turn himself in.

The scene is awkwardly handled but his motivation and goals are clear.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 7/22/2023, 2:44 PM
@Forthas - shoot some small bail for a shit movie - he did it cause deadshot wasn’t gonna cause a scene in front of his daughter
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 7/22/2023, 3:18 PM
@Forthas - It kinda makes sense, Deadshot wasnt prepared, and he knew he would restrain in front of his daughter...sounds exactly like something Batman would do.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 7/22/2023, 6:30 PM
@Forthas - it's called a Batman Gambit for a reason.
Forthas
Forthas - 7/22/2023, 7:07 PM
@TheHumanSpider2
@Scarilian
@ShimmyShimmyYA
@Slotherin


You all seem to be missing the point! Even if it is advantageous to use something Deadshot cares about, it is at the expense of traumatizing Deadshot's daughter, thus something I don't think Batman would want to do especially in a situation like @AmazingFILMporg indicated above mimics the trauma he experienced when he was a child.
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 7/22/2023, 7:36 PM
@Forthas - Keep in mind that

1 - Snyder's Batman is a bit of an asshole
2 - Suicide Squad SUCKS
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 7/22/2023, 11:34 PM
@Forthas -


It wasn't very Batman like😬
Slotherin
Slotherin - 7/23/2023, 7:22 PM
@Forthas - traumatized by her father giving up and turning himself in?
Batman knew he would act as he did... Batman Gambit.
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