Is Arrow Just Batman?

Is Arrow Just Batman?

Is Arrow just a Batman ripoff? Find out my thoughts below. And SPOILER ALERT for the most recent episodes I might add.

Editorial Opinion
By DannRamm113 - Feb 27, 2015 08:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Arrow

The TV show Arrow receives criticism for a lot of things these days.  And while I do understand that everybody has their likes and dislikes, there is one criticism that has become quite weary: Arrow is Batman.  This has been a criticism since day one with this show; ever since the arrival of characters like Deadshot, Firefly, and most recently, Ra’s al Ghul.  It is time for us all to realize something about the show though:  Arrow is Batman, but not in the sense you all imply it.


“This is Batman lite”.  “This show is a blatant batman rip-off”.  “Ras al Ghul said he wants Oliver as his air, stone him!”  Before you all read, please know that this is all coming from someone that has read a lot of Green Arrow, including his 80s stuff, everything since his resurrection until New 52, and a little bit of the New 52.  In other words: I’m not someone claiming to be a fan because I went on Wikipedia for a 10 minute search on his character, and thinks his most important trait is his beard, as I think many of you guys are.  Now, that all being said, Oliver Queen in the comics is a hard-headed jerk that constantly makes the wrong choices because of his pride.  Oliver Queen in the show is the EXACT SAME WAY, as even pointed out in the most recent episode.

Now on to his villains; his rogues’ gallery from the comics isn’t very good or extensive.  You have Merlyn, Brick, Shado, Edward Fyers, Chine White, Onomatopoeia, Constantine Drakon, Count Vertigo and Deathstroke as his main villains.  What a coincidence it is that they all (minus Onomatopoeia, who did kind of appear in a way) have appeared on the show.  So, you have a great gallery of about 9 villains.  What do you do if you want a show that you want to last for about 5+ seasons?  You start to borrow from the DC Universe!  I mean, what do you want from them?  To make an original villain as the main for every new season?  To bump up someone that is henchman status at best to be the main season villain?  Or for them to forever use Merlyn as the villain of the show forever?  Any way you look at it, “fans” would be pissed off.

Now, Ra’s al Ghul; why would they use him?  Well because it’s accurate to the comics of course!  Merlyn in the comics was trained by Ra’s and the League of Assassins.  He was hunted by Ra’s.  So, being comic book accurate, they had to use him to make it so that there isn’t that dangling plot thread “I thought the League was after Merlyn”.  But, does that mean that they HAD to make him offer Oliver the chance to become his heir?  Is that comic book accurate?  No, but again, Oliver, in this universe, is Batman.

His origin, for the most part, remains accurate to Green Arrow: Year One.  Oliver was trapped on the island, and was fighting China White.  They had to extend it and put in stuff, but I like this version more honestly; in the comics it was merely implied that Oliver was already a great archer.  In the show, he had to work for it.  Personality wise, he is Oliver Queen: hard headed, brash, always looking for a challenge.  In the comics he actually challenged Deathstroke, just out of arrogance and determination.  How is he Batman?  Because he is/was a billionaire playboy that moonlights as a vigilante archer.  Oh wait, not unlike the comics?  Because he has a young partner dressed in red that follows him no matter what?  Not unlike the comics.  Because he is able to fight?  Guess what, in the comic’s, on occasion, Green Arrow has saved Batman.  Even in the comics, Green Arrow is like Batman.  The only difference: Batman doesn’t exist in the Arrowverse.

Again, I cannot comment on people’s opinions of the show.  Some things just aren’t for some people.  Some people think the show is slow and the actors aren't very good.  And I understand that.  But to use “Arrow is just Batman”, is a thing to say if you are really trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel.  Just because the premise of the show involves a vigilante at night, does not mean he’s batman.  That would be like me going over to a Daredevil thread after the show premieres saying “This Show and Character is a crappy Batman rip-off”.

Thank you guys for reading.  If you enjoyed what you read, show some love and hit the red thumb.  Agree, Disagree, thoughts?  Comment Below!  Thanks for reading, peace out.
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HulkOnion
HulkOnion - 2/27/2015, 9:13 AM
Yes.
And flash is superman.
Canary or Supergirl would be Wonder Woman
Brainiac13
Brainiac13 - 2/27/2015, 10:10 AM
No he's not!!! LOL!!!

You're Looking too hard into this.......so many heroes from DC & Marvel are so similar.......
Pasto
Pasto - 2/27/2015, 10:15 AM
Arrow is pretty much their TV stand in for Batman.


But that's not really a bad thing. The show for the most part is pretty damn good (even if this particular season has been a little lacking).

Pretty much this.
Minty
Minty - 2/27/2015, 10:22 AM
Yep agree with @Dandy.

I do kinda enjoy hearing all the Nolan Batman quotes in Arrow. This week we got: "wearing a mask and jumping off rooftops". It's like a nice little nod to one of the best CBM trilogies ever. And there's nothing wrong with that :)
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 2/27/2015, 10:27 AM
@TandAFan

His rogues gallery is on the lesser side. He has less than 10 big villains, and a few of those are scattered around the DC Universe. Writing is not the issue. The villains themselves, however, are okay. You see, there is a difference between a gallery and a single peace, and the gallery is lacking
AC1
AC1 - 2/27/2015, 10:58 AM
Arrow pretty much is a Batman substitute - but that's not a bad thing. In fact, it's fairly in-keeping with the comic's origins, because Green Arrow was essentially conceived as a Batman-style character. The creators themselves have noted that Green Arrow was basically Batman with aspects of Robin Hood thrown in for good measure (hence the Arrow-Cave, etc.)

The only thing about Arrow that (slightly) bothers me is when they try to go full blown TDK trilogy on us, to the point of even trying to copy shots from the Nolan movies - like this week, when those two Assassins brought Merlyn to Ra's, in chains, and you got that close-up of his feet dragging across the floor from behind, just like the shot in Dark Knight Rises with the close-up of Bruce Wayne's feet dragging across the floor from behind when he's taken to The Pit by Bane's men.
528491
528491 - 2/27/2015, 1:30 PM
I really like Arrow, but regardless of whether it is accurate to the comic book or not to feature so many Batman villains, it is undoubtedly very heavily influenced by Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy as many have pointed out.

As much as I liked the first season I have to admit I found it somewhat jarring at times how much of the dialogue, characters, setting, story and the overall tone felt like it was aping Batman Begins.
the
the - 2/27/2015, 2:08 PM
I'm just waiting for the next season to start up. The Dark Knight trilogy of Arrow seasons was fun while it lasted, but I need to know how this show will manage without that crutch.

QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 2/27/2015, 2:38 PM
@dannramm113

"Is Arrow just a Batman ripoff?"


Naaaah!


I think the better question is if Marvel is a ripoff of DC or Moon Knight of Batman.
TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 2/27/2015, 4:13 PM
@dannramm113

Can you message my Facebook page

facebook.com/the.arrowverse

I have a question about this write-up being used elsewhere and having a conversation in the comments is just well not a conversation haha

if you could that would be awesome :D
razorstar90
razorstar90 - 2/27/2015, 5:10 PM
Arrow is Batman more than Flash is Superman. At least Flash fights Flash villains, Lex Luthor isn't on the show. But with Arrow, my god I'm waiting for the Freaking Joker to show up or at least Two Face. It's RIDICULOUS. Arrow is the reason why the DC Movie Universe can never be connected to the tv universe bc Arrow has taken all of Batman's villains, all of his imagery and even the tone. It's blasphamous, to think that Ra's Al Ghul would want Oliver Queen to replace him and not Bruce Wayne. Where's Talia?

You could seriously make the case that Flash could be connected, it's using it's own mythos, it has it's own tone, the actors are WAY better. People complain about Iris and Cisco, but they're WAY better than Laurel or Tommy. Flash is it's own thing. Arrow is a knock off that had to change EVERYTHING about the character.
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 2/27/2015, 6:50 PM
@Arrowverse

I messaged your page.
OptionFour
OptionFour - 2/27/2015, 8:01 PM
So if this version of Green Arrow (not just 'Arrow' no matter how much the show wishes it were so) is not a Batman ripoff, then surely he retains his defining traits; his leftist politics, his bombastic and overwhelming sense of humour, and his dashing charisma.

. . .

No?

. . .

Right. Kind of what I thought.
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 2/27/2015, 8:27 PM
@OptionFour

They left out the politics, admittedly. The charisma and humour however...debatable. He is shown to have a certain charm to him in the show. But he is mainly shown as hardheaded, which is a trait that I think is really important for him to contain.
GuardianAngel
GuardianAngel - 2/27/2015, 8:39 PM
So many people comment based on the title and don't even read the article. The amount of dense people on this site is amazing.
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 2/27/2015, 9:08 PM
@GuardianAngel

I know, I actually tested that last month I believe.
TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 2/27/2015, 10:17 PM
@razorstar90

Name 3 "Batman villians" the show has used. Ra's is debatable ... give me 3 more
TheEpicJuicebox
TheEpicJuicebox - 2/28/2015, 1:37 AM
@Arrowverse Nyssa, deadshot, firefly, doll maker, bronze tiger, Huntress, even brutale who is a nightwing villain
bronzetiger01
bronzetiger01 - 2/28/2015, 1:50 AM
give Oliver Queen an original villain, someone who has ties to his past (so the reason for the flashbacks) and is an equal match to his skills.

The Deathstroke storyline last Season was great. This time, give him an original foe. Developed character throughout the seasons. (something like Hush)
TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 2/28/2015, 7:55 AM
@TheEpicJuicebox

Nyssa and anyone related to Ra's is a grey area ... he runs a world wide organization AND he trained Merlyn in the comics .... so the fact that he has yet to come into contact with Green Arrow makes little to no sense

Deadshot - Relocated to Star City in the comics to be closer to his daughter

Firefly - Throughout the course of his comic run he has faced heroes who are most certainly not Batman...

Dollmaker - The name as a whole isn't a "Batman villain" Dollmaker has faced off against heroes such as Supergirl, etc. without Batman (By this I mean yes the version of Dollmaker they used has faced MOSTLY Batman ... but other versions have faced other heroes alone)

Bronze Tiger - Is a suicide squad member ... and the suicide squad is not directly associated with Batman in any way

Brutale was a member of the Secret Society of Super Villains. meaning he didn't just face off against Batman ...

You guys seem to struggle with the term "Batman villain" a Batman villain is a villain that despite facing any character, Batman shows up in the storyline. If Joker faces Superman...Batman always shows up. If Firefly faces Superman...Batman doesn't show up.

REAL Batman Villians Are the Likes of: Joker, Scarecrow, Ivy, Bane, etc...

Just because Batman has slowly become the most overrated hero in the world of comics doesn't mean everyone needs to be blind to the fact that some of the villains even he uses .... surprise! ... aren't "Batman villains"

And this is coming from someone whose favorite hero is Nightwing ... so clearly I have to have love for Batman
unknownfacts
unknownfacts - 2/28/2015, 9:45 AM
Comic books are based on using the same gimmick as an already established character with a slight tweak and a different origin story,that at first sounds and looks different but is really the same crap rehashed.
Interestein
Interestein - 2/28/2015, 12:06 PM
Arrow is poor mans Batman and the Flash is poor mans Superman. It's quite simple, doesn't take away from the fact that I like the show, but still, it's quite apparent.
batz11
batz11 - 2/28/2015, 1:42 PM
The general audience won't know a Batman from Green Arrow storyline...I don't really care, just more material...
Sigma9
Sigma9 - 2/28/2015, 1:48 PM
Arrow has unique villains, here's a new one from the new 52

Kodiak -
Sigma9
Sigma9 - 2/28/2015, 1:51 PM
The guys who direct Arrow are just lazy as fukc, he has standout points from batman but in arrow this is just a soap opera with felicity and thea and laurel and all that shit, a comic book show should never be a soap opera, for that i would just watch A.O.S
cmmprime
cmmprime - 2/28/2015, 9:42 PM
But what would you all prefer to see? Arrow facing off against his so called "lame rogues" or fighting against the most interesting villains that they're allowed to use?
Vortigar
Vortigar - 3/3/2015, 1:42 AM
@ BITEMEFANBOY:
Nice little hateful attitude you got there. And yes of course Moon Knight is a rif on Batman, the creators will tell you so. Just as Batman started as a rif on the Shadow, as the creators told the world numerous times as well (except Bob Kane, but he's an ass who profited from the work of others and slapped his own name on it in an even more shameless manner than Stan Lee did).

BUT

Green Arrow without a doubt the biggest Batman rip ever created. With his trusty teen age sidekick Speedy and his Arrowcar stored in his hidden Arrowcave. No really, look it up, its utterly blatantly hilarious.

Comic book history my man, its one big greasy mess of people jumping on each other's back trying to score the quick buck.


Can you imagine the dreck that would have been if Marvel hadn't been able to turn the behemoth DC around in the 60's? No Dark Knight/Watchmen/deconstruction/reconstruction, the super hero would've died a slow mournless death. So have a laugh, be glad Marvel and DC are forced to keep each other on their toes and enjoy the scenery.
Vortigar
Vortigar - 3/3/2015, 1:43 AM
Also:
Arrowcave? What were they smoking. Why couldn't they just call it the Quiver?
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