TV and Movie Crossovers! Are They Fun or Just A Pain? Part 1

TV and Movie Crossovers!  Are They Fun or Just A Pain? Part 1

Do you hate TV shows mixing universes or can is it a benefit to each program?

Editorial Opinion
By krayzeman - Jan 23, 2015 08:01 AM EST
Filed Under: Arrow

This is a subject I have a lot to say about so I will share my thoughts on the subject of crossovers in part one of this article.

So it looks as if Ray Palmer(who will soon become The Atom) and Felicity from Arrow will guest star on a future episode of The Flash this season.  You can read the Variety article here.  To me this is exciting news because I love crossovers of any type and love seeing the dynamic and interaction of characters from different worlds react to eact other.  The Flash/Arrow crossover was awsome and it didn't seem overly gimmicky.  While this is all fine and good for my viewing pleasure there are some that are not interested in crossovers and don't like them used as a device to get them to watch another show they don't normally watch.

I guess my beef with those types of people are, why not?  If a network plans a crossover that is just hand over fist used to promote another show then I can maybe see the point but when people start talking about this character should never be in that world because the tone doesn't fit is ridiculous.  Here you have 2 shows, The Flash and Arrow, who have very distinctive tones where one is very lighthearted and the other one is darker, one would think the oil and water of those 2 shows would should never mix.  Really the only thing that holds them both together(besides the fact that they already exist in the same universe in the comics)is that both shows have the same creative teams.  What's good about that is that the creatives have a great understanding of all the characters involve and with the benefit of airing on the same network they can be really creative with playing around with character dynamics between the shows.  I love how Diggle reacts to Cisco when they are in a close nit situation because you know both characters and their respective backgrounds somewhat so you're not actually having to side with one perspective over the other.  You can have fun looking at both points of views from supporting characters from each show. For those that only watch one show and see an interruption when a character from another show guest stars shouldn't be that big of a deal to them.  It would be no different than the creatives plugging in a random character and making them fit for story purposes.  Why not have the crossover?  It make the episode, in my opinion, less boring and more fun because you have an established character in another world to figure out.
 



Which brings me to another point of this new Supergirl show coming on CBS next year.  Now that we know that the "Glee" star Melissa Benoist will star as Supergirl, how will she fit with The Arrow and Flash?  The show alone would probably not excite me as much because I generally have no interest in Supergirl as a character but the fact that she will share the same universe as The Flash and Arrow with the same creative team as both of those shows has me TOTALLY on board.  I read a lot of the comments to this show and there are mixed emotions about the possibilties of Supergirl crossing over with those other shows and some say that it should stand alone.  That the tone doesn't fit in the Arrow world.  And how could a flying girl exist in an Arrow universe anyway?  Again people...


...THESE ARE THE SAME CHARACTERS THAT EXIST IN THE COMICS IN THE SAME UNIVERSE SO WHY WOULDN'T IT WORK ON TV??

So what that's it's a different medium?  The fun in seeing Supergirl cross over is that we'll see the reaction of how the Arrow characters deal with a world of flying metahumans.  The characters on Arrow are firmly grounded so something like this shouldn't rock their world too much because they've already witness pretty out there stuff already.  It would be a whole different thing where this would NOT WORK if they tried to cross Supergirl over with NCIS:Los Angeles.  That would be wack to even mention the idea.  

The concept of crossover in media entertainment is nothing new.  Most of the time though it's used in a manipulative way to get the person consuming the media to try out another product related to it.  It's shameless but in certain cases it can be effective and as far as i'm concerned so long as it doesn't hurt the over all story I'm all for it.  So for those who are against these crossovers I say just lighten up and have fun with the concept.  

Look out for the second part of this article on the subject of movie crossovers next time!

-Krayzeman

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GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 1/23/2015, 8:42 AM
Love when TV and movies crossover. At least CBM's
ThedamnBatman
ThedamnBatman - 1/23/2015, 8:45 AM
I really like it, so far, the crossovers have been good. If it serves a purpose to the story and contributes to character evolution, I'm all for it
Y2H
Y2H - 1/23/2015, 9:46 AM
I skipped out on the Flash/Arrow "crossover". In my opinion, Flash didn't need to debut on Arrow. They should have kept the two shows separately. Flash is an A+ Superhero, he can stand on his own and doesn't need the rub of another show. They literally had the "crossover" 4 or 5 episodes into Flash's existence, not to mention the constant Arrow references and Easter eggs prior. Arrow being in Flash's pilot also left a bad taste in my eyes.

Two of my favorite shows on TV right now are The Thundermans and The Haunted Hathaways. They have great special effects, captivating storylines, valuable lessons, and hysterical comedy. They crossed over for the Halloween special and it was a can't miss event!!! There was no interactions and subtitle reference prior to the crossover event. All the characters were established as it took place during both show's season 2. That's what made it special. It was a once-in-a-lifetime experience that brought together your favorite established characters into one setting. That's what CW needed to do. Keep the two shows separate and don't have them connected. Then in the latter episodes in Season 4 of Arrow and Season 2 of Flash, they could have that crossover event. It would be something new and all the characters would be fleshed out. That is what would make it a once-in-a-lifetime experience. You would never now if you'd ever see it again and you've never seen anything like it before.

One of my favorite trilogies is the Jimmy/Timmy Power Hour trilogy. It crossed over The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius and The Fairly Oddparents, two childhood classics. Its the only time they interacted with each other and referenced each other and communicated in each others' respective universe. I always wondered what Sheen would do if he had a fairly oddparent and we got to find out in the third experience ( Jimmy/Timmy Power Hour made Morgan Freeman jokes before it went Mainstream). That's what made these events special. We can't change the past, but we can dictate the future. In my opinion, CW should only make these "crossovers" into tv movie events. It would make them feel special and not rushed/ forced like the first "crossover" went.

That's just my stance on the topic. Keep the shows as far away from each other and make the "crossovers" into limited movie events that have that once-in-a-lifetime feel to it.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 1/23/2015, 11:36 AM
Cool article! And keep em coming too, I've really enjoyed reading this one and your previous one about geek culture.

As for TV crossovers, I think it really is a case-by-case basis. I fully believe that crossovers and shared universes are the new direction that the superhero genre is going in, now that Marvel broke the mold and set a whole new status quo. I've yet to watch either show, but the Arrow and Flash crossover is a great step in that direction too. Of course, my interest in Supergirl would shoot up immensely if it were set in the same universe too.

But a show like Gotham? I think it's too tonally and narratively jarring to work in a shared universe. Of course, you could argue that they should've/could've prepared for that right from the start, and changed things accordingly so that it WOULD fit in, and I'd agree with that.

So yeah, I'm just rambling by now. But hey, the most enjoyable editorials usually have that effect on me haha. Good stuff!
tokens
tokens - 1/23/2015, 1:11 PM
no annasophia robb = me no watch supergirl





....unless supergirl fly and have full on costume.
then I watch.

@CBS
these are my demands.
make it so.
Osborn
Osborn - 1/23/2015, 2:14 PM
well... Maybe I'm wrong but aren't promotional crossover the origin of shared universes like we know it in comics? I think it's fair to say that what worked so well in comics can work on TV. Obviously you can't really expect TV shows to go like comics with crossovers and then a show called Justice Society of America (for example) featuring SuperGirl, Arrow, The Flash, The Atom and Firestorm come up while Arrow and The Flash continue with little real consequences. The Audience would be confused.
So yeah I think CBTVshows crossovers are logical and the fact that they hint at it and don't make it that "once in a lifetime experience" is okay since they can't go all the way with some team show coming out at the same time as the individual show featuring the same characters like the comics do they needs other way to flesh out their shared universe. Occasional crossovers make way more sense to me anyway.
Gronk87
Gronk87 - 1/23/2015, 2:40 PM
TV crossovers are cool, but they've been around for a looooooooong time.


krayzeman
krayzeman - 1/23/2015, 8:24 PM
@gentlemanlybatman Great fraggin question. Would they do a different timeline so as not to affect Arrow? And if it does would it confuse audiences? Should we even worry about any confusion? Audience are smarter than some networks give them credit for. But I agree. Flashpoint does create some interesting issues that actually wouldn't mind seeing play out on TV...
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