Ror Reviews: GAME OF THRONES S201: "The North Remembers"; Has The Show Taken The Brutality Too Far?

Ror Reviews: GAME OF THRONES S201: "The North Remembers"; Has The Show Taken The Brutality Too Far?

HBO's brilliant fantasy series is back. This ep was a welcome return to the world of Westeros, but features a scene that many will feel crossed the line in its depictions of violence against children..

Review Opinion
By MarkCassidy - Apr 02, 2012 03:04 PM EST
Filed Under: Game of Thrones

Obviously if you haven't seen the episode yet, SPOILERS ahead. The story picks up pretty much immediately after last season's closer, as we catch up with the various characters scattered around Westeros. Dany and her newly hatched Dragons find themselves at the mercy of a seemingly endless desert, and along with Jorah Mormont and the rest of her "Kalasar" they must try to decide on the safest road forward. Tyrion returns to Kings' Landing as the new Hand Of The King, much to the chagrin of his sister Cersei who is gradually losing her motherly hold over the psychotic boy-King Joffrey. Elsewhere, Robb - still seeking vengeance for his Father Ned's execution - sends his peace terms to the Lannisters, terms he knows well they will not accept. North of The Wall Jon Snow and the Nights' Watch take refuge at Craster's Keep. Craster, a Wildling, has a lot of daughters. Daughters who also happen to be his wives. And we are also introduced to some new characters. Stannis Baratheon, his sorceress Melisandre and his adviser Davos Seaworth. Melisandre worships the mysterious Lord Of Light, and has made converts (willing or otherwise) of Stannis and most of his men. He believes he is the rightful heir to the Iron Throne, and will allow no one - even his own brother Renly - to stand in his way.



It's a great scene setter for what to expect from the season. The cast are all on top form, with Peter Dinklage once again stealing the show as Tyrion. But he has strong competition this time from Lena Headey as Cersei. She didn't have that much to do last season but that is about to change, and if her performance in last night's episode is anything to go by Headey will be a very welcome sight in the coming weeks. She demonstrates her power in a scene with Littlefinger (Aiden Gillen) in which she shows just how easy it would be to have him killed should she tire of him. But then shows some vulnerability as she realizes her vicious son may not allow the fact that she is his mother stop him from executing her if he has to. Another highlight is a face off between Robb Stark and the captive Jaimie "Kingslayer" Lannister, in which we are introduced to a now near fully grown Direwolf. It's a mixture of CGI and a real wolf, and looks pretty fantastic.

Towards the end of the episode, Joffrey's men begin to search out the late Robert Baratheon's illegitimate children in order to eliminate them to strengthen Joffrey's hold on the throne. One scene in a Brothel, where we are treated to another of the show's trademark sex scenes, ends with the brutal slaying of an infant, followed by more scenes of violence against children and teenagers. The actual murder of the baby happens off screen, but it is still a graphic and disturbing moment. Now the show has had its share of them, and any fan will expect to see some pretty hardcore stuff in most episodes of Game Of Thrones. But there are those that feel they might have taken things a bit too far this time. Personally I think it could have been handled a bit differently, the murder of the bastards is not even described in any real detail in the book, and is only mentioned almost in passing. On the other hand the scene certainly does its job in showing just how ruthless Joffrey and his cronies are, and what a dangerous place Westeros has become under his rule. What do you guys think?

Anyway, all in all a very good season opener. The writers and director (Thor 2's Alan Taylor in this case) do a great job of juggling the many characters from last season, as well as some new additions. It will be interesting to see if that can be maintained as we are introduced to even more new faces in the coming weeks.

Here is a promo for next week's ep, "The Night Lands"..



And the new "Weeks Ahead" trailer with some great new footage..











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TheMightyQuinn
TheMightyQuinn - 4/2/2012, 4:32 PM
Long time listener, first time caller. I too thought it was a bit much. But having a kid has made me a bit of a softy. All in all a great episode!
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 4/2/2012, 4:32 PM
IT TOOK IT TOO FAR BUT THEN AGAIN IT KEEPS YOU WATCHING TO SEE HOW MUCH FARTHER IT WILL GO...THE BOOK SHOWS MORE WORSE THINGS TO COME.
40oz
40oz - 4/2/2012, 4:33 PM
Too far? I think not. Great episode. Great series. If u don't know what really goes on in the world outside of your surrounding don't b*tch about it. And don't watch the show. Worse things are going on in the world right now than anything this show is going to show us.
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 4/2/2012, 4:36 PM
SHOOT I WANNA SEE ALL THE OTHER EPISODES THIS SEASON NOW
RGINLA
RGINLA - 4/2/2012, 4:40 PM
It was basically the Game of Thrones old school version of Execute Order 66.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 4/2/2012, 4:40 PM
I don't think it was too much, but it teetered on the line. Violence against children.. especially infants is a taboo, almost no go area in most movies/shows for a reason. Add to that the fact that it's barely even touched upon in the book and it seems to me that they could have handled it differently and were just being gratuitous.
USAgent
USAgent - 4/2/2012, 4:41 PM
Whatever, its great. It definitely portrays Joffrey's insanity. His lust for to keep is crown was shown last night. I can't wait for more. We all know winter is coming, we shouldn't be surprised at all at what we see.

And I agree with 40oz, worse things occur everyday in our world. This is nothing...
rythmtaz
rythmtaz - 4/2/2012, 4:45 PM
It was hardcore, but an amazing episode and show. I can't wait for more!
Gmoney84
Gmoney84 - 4/2/2012, 4:49 PM
Amazing episode. Bring on the black water!!
Ashes2Phoenix
Ashes2Phoenix - 4/2/2012, 4:53 PM
Yes it was a bit much but I have to say, I applaud them for actually having the bottle to do it. Most media would never dare do something like this. Like many people have already said, it makes you hate Joffery even more and it is a great way to show how truly brutal and unmerciful he is. To be fair what would have taken it a step too far would have been actually showing it, which they did not. I still did found it disturbing but that is the point isn't it, to make the character disturbing and make you want to see him meet a satisfying end.
SamWinchester
SamWinchester - 4/2/2012, 4:55 PM
The show isn't too hardcore, the people who complain about it are too soft.
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 4/2/2012, 4:56 PM
WHAT WOULD BE WORSE IS SEEING THE GUY DO IT WITH HIS KIDS OR SEEING THE SOLDIER STAB A BABY RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES, IT GOES FAR BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE DIRECTOR DOES PULL IT BACK AND SAYS OK THATS SOME STUFF WE REALLY REALLY SHOULDN'T SHOW..BUT HEY, IT'S HBO..YOUR PAYING TO WATCH STUFF YOU CAN'T WATCH ON BASIC TV..WE MIGHT SEE STUFF LATER BUT WHAT HAVENT WE SEEN REALLY? INCEST,HEADS ON A STICK, FAMILIES SPLIT UP, BURNING A WITCH AND AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF BOOBAGE AND SEX....HEY IT WILL GET WORSE..SO MUCH WORSE..BUT IT'S A STORY, A STORY THAT I WANNA SEE PLAYED OUT BY GOOD ACTORS, THIS IS AN AWESOME SHOW.
ManofSteel23
ManofSteel23 - 4/2/2012, 5:08 PM
its the sort of shit that happened in those days so I aint bothered,felt abit dusturbed but its how brutel they was in them days
THRILLHO
THRILLHO - 4/2/2012, 5:28 PM
SpideyQuad
SpideyQuad - 4/2/2012, 5:52 PM
Just wait if they show that red priestess having her baby
Spidex3000
Spidex3000 - 4/2/2012, 5:58 PM
It's more realistic if that's people want from the show
Mikfly
Mikfly - 4/2/2012, 6:06 PM
Wow Covert. Nice...

As to the article - I love this show and I'm happy they aren't censoring the books in the slightest.
RidiculousFanBoyDemands
RidiculousFanBoyDemands - 4/2/2012, 6:11 PM
When I saw the scene I knew some people would be up in arms about it. But here's the thing, it accurately depicts what would have happened. There have been many instances throughout mid evil history where bastard children were killed regardless of the age. Did they need to show the scene? I think them mentioning it would have sufficed. Perhaps when the owner of the whore house (I forget his name right now), comes back and asks what happened she can say they killed the boy. However, I feel they showed it to make you hate the king more. Still it was a great episode and I can't wait until next Sunday.
marvel72
marvel72 - 4/2/2012, 6:35 PM
good episode,haven't read the book so i can't compare it.violence against children & incest is terrible,but its only a tv programe,shit like that did happen in medieval times.this is only the begining its gonna get even worse by the end of the season.
Neolex
Neolex - 4/2/2012, 6:44 PM
To be fair, the same violence against children was depicted back in the 50's with The Ten Commandments; yeah, it's meant to be unsettling and horrific, that's the point!
RidiculousFanBoyDemands
RidiculousFanBoyDemands - 4/2/2012, 6:49 PM
If anything I think Spartacus was much MUCH more graphic. Crixus basically stabbed a baby while in the womb! Not to mention *SPOILERS






Lucritia jumping off the cliff with a baby.














thewonderer
thewonderer - 4/2/2012, 6:55 PM
People need to grow a pair

Honestly by the end of episode 9, or even before that you should realize this is far from a childrens show.

People love this show because its edgy and takes risks. Its different and doesn't mind doing what you wouldn't expect
Vital
Vital - 4/2/2012, 6:57 PM
It's brutal, but they are being realistic about it. They are doing that so the audience FEELS something, we are so desensitized by violence these days, the only way to shock and open people's hearts is to push the envelope. I admit, it was hard to watch, but it (spoiler alert ahead) makes sense since from what I accidentally read on Joffry, he gets killed by the mob because he is so hated. The killing of people's babies and kids is enough to start a riot. I have a feeling Joffry's gonna die this season as I'm sure everyone here would love to see lol.

I'd personally love to see him get raped by some psycho-path, call it poetic justice for all the pain and suffering he has caused others.
thewonderer
thewonderer - 4/2/2012, 7:26 PM
@nowtheresabatman

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Why the [frick] did you spoil that.

God damn you piece of shit. I tried my hardest to avoid my spoilers

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GOD DAMMIT YOU SHIT HOLE
Daishichi
Daishichi - 4/2/2012, 7:35 PM
It did not occur to me, for one single second, that this completely logical plot point was "too far" or "in bad taste"...I feel like I am seeing more of my country's puritanical tendency in reading all these complaints. We've seen a 10 year old thrown from a tower; we've seen throats ripped out, heads chopped off...that's how this world works. If you're a whore with a king's bastard, run for the hills when that king dies.
LordHuck
LordHuck - 4/2/2012, 7:56 PM
Bunch of wussies complaining about graphic brutality.

How about you watch every other piece of popular culture and leave GOT to those who enjoy it.

there are far worse things in the bible.
Lizardking310
Lizardking310 - 4/2/2012, 8:19 PM
i think theres nothing wrong they didn't show anything it happen off screen ,, I've read the books and it is mention in second book that this is happening sooo i knew it was coming and the fact that its on HBO it could have been more graphic
MrZach
MrZach - 4/2/2012, 8:25 PM
I thought the graphic showing of killing off the bastards was an important element to establish Joffrey's cruelty and his insecurity about his own legitimacy to the throne... something that was important to establish early on and something that was not well established in the books - at least in this manner. It was a smart addition.
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