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Ha1frican
Ha1frican - 5/20/2022, 1:33 PM
I’m sure I’m in the minority but I would also like to see the classic yellow suit even if just for a gag
breakUbatman
breakUbatman - 5/21/2022, 6:23 AM
@Ha1frican - Matt or Jack Murdocks gym gear, yellow hoodie and pants, red tank top and jogging shorts over.
Ha1frican
Ha1frican - 5/21/2022, 9:13 AM
@breakUbatman - That’s exactly what I was thinking. I wrote a fan script for DD a few years before the show came out and the idea was that avenging his fathers death he wears Jack’s ring outfit to be like his ghost as a precursor to his real suit
MrDandy
MrDandy - 5/20/2022, 1:36 PM
No. Keep the same continuity. There is no reason to throw away excellent character and story work and there’s nothing in his show that contradicts the MCU. These were already built to exist in the MCU lol.
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 5/20/2022, 1:57 PM
@MrDandy - I agree with some of this. The problem isn't really with Daredevil continuity tho, it's with the entire "Defenders" continuity. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan. But as a whole it was nowhere near the production quality as what Marvel Studios produces. And no, that's not to say they're perfect. But they have significantly better acting across their cast and better overall storytelling prowess. (So save it, contrarian squad, out there.)

On the other hand, Daredevil brought us some of the best fight scenes in Marvel live action to date. I definitely give them that. But take Punisher for instance. A+ casting with Bernthal. A+ portrayal with Bernthal. Subpar storytelling. Iron Fist being the opposite of DD where Finn Jones was lackluster in the role but the supporting cast was really compelling and were great actors. JJ...excellent S1! S2&3 were awful. And Luke Cage was somewhere right in the middle of all that. Cottonmouth, A+. Diamondback, D-. Bushmaster A. The villains were the forefront of its appeal. (I did love the hip hop influence throughout tho!)

With all the inconsistency across quality, this is a great opportunity to cut the fat. Take what we all loved and leave the rest behind.

I like the idea of their origin stories already being tackled. But I also like the idea of a fresh slate with all these characters. And the silver lining of the multiversal shenanigans is the freedom to reboot and recast where needed.

The Defenders Saga could be Universe-515 or something so some aspects are explainably the same while others aren't.
ShellHead
ShellHead - 5/20/2022, 1:39 PM
I don't see the Netflix DD series as the gold standard of these things. Kingpin and Punisher were very strong. Matt's struggles with faith and perseverance was great.

But too much of it was try-hard and needlessly convoluted. It needs a solid foundation in the world and connection to the greater NYC vibe. Having him focus entirely on Hell's Kitchen feels like artificial video game boundaries
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 5/20/2022, 1:39 PM
Woll did some great acting but I have to agree, less is more with supporting characters like her. Foggy on the other hand...just very bad acting.

I'm excited to see a new take on the character mythos while keeping everything Cox brought to the table with him.
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 5/20/2022, 1:40 PM
I'd like to see them resurrect Urich as well, and I'm sure McDuffie would make for an interesting romantic interest.
Superspecialawesomeguy
Superspecialawesomeguy - 5/20/2022, 1:41 PM
*Reads no.6*

Will44482
Will44482 - 5/20/2022, 1:43 PM
I guarantee Disney will not do Daredevil as well as Netflix did
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 5/20/2022, 2:09 PM
@Will44482 - That's just nonsense.
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 5/20/2022, 2:30 PM
@Will44482 - ABC did the show, Netflix was just the streaming platform, which is the reason why the shows are on Disney+ now. So technically Disney already did them.
JermareCBM
JermareCBM - 5/20/2022, 8:04 PM
@Will44482 - It all depends on the showrunners. They know people love Netflix Daredevil so they'll definitely try to match the tone and feel. The storytelling and characterization will be a big test.
EZBeast
EZBeast - 5/20/2022, 1:47 PM
[frick] off! The daredevil show was almost perfect unlike the disney+ series that have been released so far. The Netflix show respected the character and while there were some minor faults with some of the additional cast they have no reason for these changes.

Disney is going to butcher the legacy of the Netflix dd…
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 5/20/2022, 2:12 PM
@TheFireForce - Firstly, Marvel Television was still Disney. Secondly, Marvel Studios is way more consistent than Marvel Television was.
JDL
JDL - 5/20/2022, 2:22 PM
@Tonic24k - Not really as far as the D+ shows go. But then D+, more often than not, had some trouble doing good story telling in 4-4.5 hours of run time, and Marvel Television, in their longer runs, more often than not, did not.
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 5/20/2022, 2:33 PM
@TheFireForce - How can Disney butcher something that they created? Netflix just streamed the show they didn't produce it. Research a little bit before ranting about something.
MrDandy
MrDandy - 5/20/2022, 2:33 PM
@Tonic24k - on the second point….is it?? Right now their library is way shorter but they already have Meh to mediocre entries like What If, FatWS, and Hawkeye and don’t have anything close to as good as Daredevil S1-3, Jessica Jones S1, SHIELD S2-5, or IMO Punisher S1
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 5/20/2022, 3:02 PM
@MrDandy - @MrDandy - That's just your opinion tho, not fact. Those MS shows you mentioned reviewed well.

Their entire catalog is definitely better quality tho. Even just D+ shows are more consistent than the entire Defenders entry. The problem with this debate is, folks tend to mistake "dark and gritty" with quality. Then there's no sober conversation about actual quality. There also seems to be some contrarian trend against Marvel Studios where people find any reason to give their productions shit. Meanwhile, there's some weird amnesia that Marvel Studios doesn't have incredible fight scenes of their own. And dark and gritty moments of their own.

But with Marvel Studios now having the ability to produce TV-MA, we can have both darker storytelling AND better production quality. And don't get me wrong! There was certainly high quality aspects of DD and some others. But it's shortsighted to think Marvel Studios is going to water down Daredevil.
VictorAlonzo
VictorAlonzo - 5/20/2022, 3:25 PM
@Tonic24k - "But it's shortsighted to think Marvel Studios is going to water down Dardevil."


Really?
EZBeast
EZBeast - 5/20/2022, 5:19 PM
@Tonic24k - Marvel television was based on a division from abc stuidios which legally owned by disney but was not produced, written, or have any influence from disney directly. And ye Marvel is more consistent.Consistent in making the same rehashed story. More consistent making "family friendly" content. More consistent in creating bland content.
EZBeast
EZBeast - 5/20/2022, 5:22 PM
@Urubrodi - Are you actually that naive that you're playing the "created by disney" card? Disney only owned the sister studio to abc and perhaps funded the show but no creative decisions were made by disney regarding any of the netflix series.It was produced, written, and directed outside of their claws.
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 5/20/2022, 5:29 PM
@VictorAlonzo - I truly think so, yeah. I mean look, they did do Kingpin dirty here. But they have a plan. We just got a glimpse of the very beginning of what they're setting up.

Personally, I loved the way he was introduced. I was legit on the edge of my seat like holy [frick]. But I will admit, I wish they would have treated him a little differently. But I think once this story starts unraveling it'll make more sense why it played out like this.
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