DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN Rumor May Explain Why Matt Murdock Hung Up The Suit - Possible SPOILERS

DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN Rumor May Explain Why Matt Murdock Hung Up The Suit - Possible SPOILERS DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN Rumor May Explain Why Matt Murdock Hung Up The Suit - Possible SPOILERS

On the heels of the news that Marvel Studios is planning a major overhaul of Daredevil: Born Again, a new rumor may explain why Matt Murdock decided to stop being the Devil of Hell's Kitchen...

By MarkCassidy - Oct 11, 2023 06:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Daredevil

Following today's news that Marvel Studios is planning a massive overhaul of the upcoming Daredevil: Born Again Disney+ series, we may have some more details on the previous version of the show.

Apparently, Marvel execs reviewed some footage from the show while production was paused during the strikes, and decided that a "significant creative reboot" was in order. Head writers Chris Ord and Matt Corman, along with directors for the remaining episodes, were let go, and Kevin Feige is said to have signed-off on a pretty major course-change.

One aspect of the story that was said to have come in for some criticism from the higher-ups was the fact that the show was shaping up to be more of a courtroom drama/procedural than a superhero tale, with Matt Murdock only suiting-up as the Man Without Fear in episode 4.

So, why did Murdock decide to hang up the costume in the first place?

Just in case these plot points carry over, possible spoilers follow.

According to insider CWGST, Matt put aside "the Devil’s cowl for over a year after failing to save Foggy." He also mentions that "Kingpin would’ve been Mayor, winning on a campaign of backing law enforcement while discouraging street level heroes like Punisher, Daredevil… and Spider-Man."

If accurate, this would explain why Elden Henson, who played Foggy Nelson in the Netflix Daredevil, didn't reprise the role for Born Again. There's no mention of Karen Allen, but since Deborah Ann Woll wasn't expected to return, either, there's a chance she would have shared Foggy's fate.

UPDATE:

The show will be (or was going to be, anyway) loosely based on the '80s Marvel Comics series of the same name by Frank Miller and David Mazzuchelli, but is not expected to be an overly faithful adaptation. Despite some significant changes to the story, "Daredevil versus Wilson Fisk, aka the Kingpin, remains the focal point."

Born Again will be PG-13, but Marc Jobst, who helmed some key episodes of the Netflix show, simply doesn't believe Cox, D'Onofrio and Bernthal would have agreed to return if they didn't think it was going to work.

"So I’ve got no idea what they’re doing and how they’re approaching the Disney version of those worlds," he said in a recent interview. "I can’t imagine that Charlie, Vince and Jon would sign up for something that they felt was anodyne. They just wouldn’t do it. So in some form or another, Disney must have persuaded them to say, 'This is a journey worth coming on.'"

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TheManWithoutFear
TheManWithoutFear - 10/11/2023, 6:35 PM
No mention of Karen Allen?? Wtf

Also why do these articles keep saying it was going to be based on the comic of the same name. Did people just not watch S3? It was never going to be that. They're using the name in the same way Age of Ultron did.
Franshu
Franshu - 10/12/2023, 12:27 AM
@TheManWithoutFear - Because the people running this site probably don't read DD comics. If anything, these spoilers make it sound mopre and more like "Born Again" was going to be based mostly on Zdarsky and SOule's recent runs.
0bstreperous
0bstreperous - 10/11/2023, 6:41 PM
Bring back Foggy actor their friendship is the heart of the show
Fogs
Fogs - 10/12/2023, 4:05 AM
@0bstreperous - I'd say both their friendship and Matt's religious nature. They're both so important for DD's character depth.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 10/11/2023, 6:44 PM
Killing Foggy is where I draw the line. That would've been a no from me. I hope they change that and undo his fate as they start from the beginning.

No Foggy no stream.
Origame
Origame - 10/11/2023, 8:33 PM
@NinnesMBC - and it's ridiculous to not include him when they're specifically going with a lighter approach for this version compared to the Netflix series.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 10/12/2023, 12:40 AM
@Origame - Yes it doesn't make any sense. It would be a waste of not using the back and forth chemistry between their actors as well.
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 10/11/2023, 6:45 PM
Probably just needed to air it out after She-Hulk wrecked him in the sack.

comicfan100
comicfan100 - 10/11/2023, 6:47 PM
I hope this is something they decide to scrap in the overhaul because WTF?
GhostDog
GhostDog - 10/11/2023, 6:47 PM
Wtf? A misunderstanding of Matt here big time.

Matt is an addict he would never stop. He has specifically lost like so many love interests and friends because he is an addict. He lost Karen in the comics decades ago and never stopped.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 10/11/2023, 6:54 PM
@GhostDog - but he did temporarily retire when bullseye killed Elektra to mourn and also when Karen overdosed
GhostDog
GhostDog - 10/11/2023, 7:42 PM
@MyCoolYoung - I may be wrong and misremembering but didn’t Matt retire for Karen because she revealed her betrayal of him, he forgave her and helped her overcome her addiction.

Post Elektra death he kind of went insane too.

Him retiring for a year even with the deaths of foggy and Karen kind of contradicts everything Matt went through after season 3. If this show is indeed a spiritual sequel.
CerealKiller1
CerealKiller1 - 10/11/2023, 6:50 PM
Funny how this ‘scoop’ was only revealed the minute the show was announced for a reformatting. So if their scoop ends up wrong, they can just say ‘oh they changed it in the reshuffle’. God I hate these ‘scoopers’
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 10/11/2023, 6:57 PM
Unpopular Opinion: I see a lot of people saying, "Make Daredevil Season 4," but Season 1 was great. Season 2 started off well but became just okay. Season 3 felt like a retread of Season 1 to me; it wasn't great, at least not to me. The mandatory episode count used to show. They tried to give Foggy and Karen more to do and made them more and more insufferable every season. I wish we could get Daredevil vs. someone other than Kingpin.

I want the best possible stories for anything I watch. I'd rather not see a rehash of what we've seen before. Bring back the Owl or introduce Mister Fear or something. The Disney+ shows aren't perfect, but neither were those Netflix shows. No amount of violence or gore will change that. Season 1 of Jessica Jones is still my favorite comic book show of that bunch and maybe all time
dagenspear
dagenspear - 10/11/2023, 7:18 PM
@MyCoolYoung - How were they more insufferable? Because they dared to be against their friend messing up their lives and his own? Nah.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 10/11/2023, 11:51 PM
@dagenspear - no. The whining. The inserting themselves into everything. They were ass characters.
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 10/12/2023, 5:08 AM
@MyCoolYoung - Your thoughts on Netflix DD and JJ are the same as mine. I thought the episode length ruined the show cause there was actually only like 4 episodes of story and then the rest was filler or redundant stuff they did already and were just rehashing again.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 10/11/2023, 7:19 PM
If so, I think that's cheap.

"There's no mention of Karen Allen"

Karen Page.
dracula
dracula - 10/11/2023, 7:52 PM
How exactly would they have been able to justify Kingpin running for mayor and possibly winning

He was exposed in season 1

There was public outrage when the FBI was working with him

His secrets are out

Him being out of prison and back in power can be written off as him having been spared the snap, while Matt and Frank were dusted, so nobody was around to stop him, but people are not going to forget that stuff.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 10/11/2023, 7:57 PM
@dracula - probably because this was a reboot and those events didn’t happen
JFerguson
JFerguson - 10/11/2023, 8:39 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - MCU fans when they hear that:

Order66
Order66 - 10/11/2023, 9:09 PM
@dracula - this a reboot. Those events didn’t happen.
asherman93
asherman93 - 10/11/2023, 9:31 PM
@dracula - Given how quickly Fisk was able to rebuild his reputation over the course of Season 3, combined with how much chaos and disarray the world would've gone through in the five years after the snap, I have no trouble buying that he would be able to pull off a rehabilitation PR tour.
His crimes would be seen as relatively small-scale compared to the devastation Thanos pulled.

"In light of all this loss, I can truly say I have seen the full cost and come to understand the pain my actions have caused. But I promise you, I am a changed man, and I will do right for this city in this uncertain, horrific time."
(In the event Vanessa is among the snapped, he could even exploit the loss of the love of his life as a "sign" of his empathy.)

Hell, he might even fall back into believing himself a changed man... all while taking advantage of the chaos to wipe out any rivals and quietly rebuild his power base.

If Matt's amongst those that got snapped, then it would be even easier without his archnemesis.

Then, five years later, when the Avengers undo Thanos's decimation, anyone who tries to bring up Fisk's crimes can just claim that "he's changed" or "compared to what we just came back from, its water under the bridge" or "Black Widow was a spy, Tony Stark was the Merchant of Death, Hulk's rampages got people killed; if they can become petter people, why not Wilson Fisk?"
DTor91
DTor91 - 10/11/2023, 10:28 PM
@dracula - Same way Trump and other corrupted people easily step into political office. Even taking the muddled continuity aside…not that far off from the real world. And NY has had a plethora of crappy mayors.
SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 10/11/2023, 8:35 PM
"So, why did Murdock decide to hang up the costume in the first place?"

Because the less scenes of Matt in action as Daredevil means the less money spent on choreographed fights and expensive CGI. ...Duh! 🙄
Taonrey
Taonrey - 10/12/2023, 4:23 AM
@SuperiorHeckler - why would they need expensive CGI? Wait I forgot this is marvel
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 10/11/2023, 9:47 PM
That THR article is SCATHING about how Marvel Studios' TV division has worked thus far. I didn't even know that the Moon Knight head writer quit and the director took over. Makes sense why he's the only one giving interviews from the creative team. Apparently people who have no experience with TV have been promoted by Marvel due to their experience on their films to oversee these projects AFTER they fell back on schedule. The Secret Invasion mess in particular is crazy to think about.

It's refreshing to see that they saw footage of this and want to make it more like the Netflix show instead and get proper showrunners for once, treating it like an actual TV show. THR also referred to it as a two-season, 18-episode show, so they were planning to drop only half of it whenever they wanted this to debut. The whole idea of keeping scenes and episodes in this new version is interesting; can't tell if it's Feige maintaining control and using the good stuff as a basis or them having already a set of things they need in the show that they have to stick to - plus having already thrown money at this so just keeping as much stuff as they can. But yea, to not have creative thoroughline, rely on post-production etc. is a crazy way to operate. Of course it blew up in their face when they had to put out this many hours worth of content.
DTor91
DTor91 - 10/11/2023, 10:26 PM
Ohhhhhh
I’ve been telling my friends, as my general interest in live action superheroes has been waning with an abundance of diminished returns lately, as much as I want to see the MCU’s X-Men and FF…..Daredevil is my second favorite Marvel character after Spider-Man. The Netflix series is one of my favorite adaptations of a superhero as a whole. And I appreciated the more happy go lucky, swashbuckling take we saw in She-Hulk. But going back to his roots is what I looked forward to see, and with Cox, D’Onofrio, and Bernthal returning, THIS is the MCU project I looked most forward to.

But it’s also the one that if they ruined it, that would have been my total jumping off point with the MCU. I’ve already skipped several of their most recent projects, and I have no interest in Loki either, likely won’t be see The Marvels as well. Honestly, Guardians 3 felt like a good endpoint for me personally. But I’d be there day 1 no matter what for Daredevil. This sounds like a mess though. Killing Foggy, and off-screen at that (assuming) is not the way to go. You’re already breaking the foundation before it stands. Starting from scratch may be for the best. But the excitement I did have initially has definitely taken a hit. Just….please be great.
PapaBear562
PapaBear562 - 10/11/2023, 10:43 PM
@DTor91 - I agree with your comments. Very succinct and to the point. If Nelson and Paige are both killed off screen, then that would be a huge mistake. Cox, D’Onofrio, Bernthal, Henson and Woll were the backbone of the original series and to not bring them ALL back would be a huge mistake and a betrayal of the fan base. They better get things straightened out because if they screw this up, I will forever be done with Disney/Marvel.

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