DAREDEVIL: Marvel's Website Removes Bio Suggesting Netflix TV Series Is Canon In The Marvel Cinematic Universe

DAREDEVIL: Marvel's Website Removes Bio Suggesting Netflix TV Series Is Canon In The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Marvel's website was recently updated to include bios for the characters introduced in Netflix's TV shows, but a section linking the Man Without Fear to the MCU has mysteriously been deleted. Check it out!

By JoshWilding - Apr 04, 2022 09:04 AM EST
Filed Under: Daredevil
Source: Marvel.com

With Daredevil and The Kingpin now part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, there's a lot of confusion surrounding the significance of those Netflix TV shows in terms of continuity. While we've heard claims that past events do matter, it's hard to believe Marvel Studios will be beholden to some of the worst creative and casting decisions made by Marvel Television. 

For example, this would force them to bring Finn Jones back as Iron Fist or for Hellcat to remain Jessica Jones' now jailed best friend instead of a member of Earth's Mightiest Heroes!

Recently, Marvel.com made headlines for suggesting that the events of Spider-Man: No Way Home - where Charlie Cox reprised the role of Matt Murdock - took place "sometime later" than Daredevil season 3. Shortly after many fans on social media started expressing their excitement that the series really did take place in the MCU, the entire paragraph was removed, further muddying the waters.

Common sense says the MCU will treat these Netflix TV shows the same way The Incredible Hulk served as a very loose sequel to 2003's Hulk. Ideas, characters, and storylines may be carried over, but if Kevin Feige and company decide they want a new Elektra or Luke Cage, chances are they'll be replaced.

After all, we've already seen a different Darkhold show up in WandaVision after another version of the book was used in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Runaways.

Some fans will continue to insist Marvel Television's shows are 100% canon in the MCU, but the proof will be in the pudding over the next few years. Either way, it's extremely telling that the decision was made to remove a paragraph that tied Spider-Man: No Way Home directly to Daredevil.

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Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 4/4/2022, 9:44 AM
As long as there is no official statement by Marvel, this confusion will persist.
Vigor
Vigor - 4/4/2022, 9:55 AM
@Urubrodi - not to sound like Wildling, but common sense says that the shows aren't Canon. The variants explanation makes it all palatable so we can move on and continue with cox in the MCU
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 4/4/2022, 10:06 AM
@Urubrodi - Both Kevin Feige and Charlie Cox confirmed is not canon.
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 4/4/2022, 10:27 AM
@Vigor - I don't disagree with you, it is the most likely scenario, but my point is that unless Marvel makes an official statement, articles like this will keep on happening.
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 4/4/2022, 10:31 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - No they haven't, there was never clear answers to these. The closest Feige got to was saying that for the first time shows and movies would connect to each other with the release of Disney plus. That is no confirmation. If you actually have some quote from both saying that the Netflix shows are not canon then please share and I'll stand corrected.
RolandD
RolandD - 4/4/2022, 11:24 AM
@Urubrodi - As long as Wilding is a contributor to this site, articles like this WILL keep on appearing. 😉
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 4/4/2022, 12:30 PM
@Urubrodi - Marvel go to fairly painstaking lengths to clarify a lot of stuff, and so it's pretty obvious they either haven't settled on how they're treating those shows or they're cherry picking from them in ways that keeps all disparate audiences attached.

It's not too different from how they clearly haven't figured out what they're definitively doing with Steve Rogers yet
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 4/4/2022, 12:50 PM
@Urubrodi - Yes they had.
Charlie literally said he is not playing the same Matt.
seakhan
seakhan - 4/4/2022, 10:17 PM
@Urubrodi - Gotta love that the Team Thor / Team Daryl stuff is canon, but Agents of SHIELD somehow isn't.
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 4/5/2022, 3:58 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - No he didn't. He never said the words "this is not the same Matt Murdock" or "that show wasn't canon."

He said it doesn't make sense to pick up from right where the show left off and then elaborated it's because of the time that has passed.
CurlyBill
CurlyBill - 4/4/2022, 9:47 AM
Until Marvel officially comes out and says diffrent I view both Matt Murdock from NWH and Kingpin from Hawkeye as variants of the Netflix version. I think it's the easiest to go forward and be able to pick and choose what you want to bring back from the Netflix shows.
TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 4/4/2022, 9:49 AM
@CurlyBill - yup
lordSTALE
lordSTALE - 4/4/2022, 10:02 AM
@CurlyBill - Charlie Cox constantly saying "reimagined" when talking about his Matt Murdock return into the MCU, and Kingpin suddenly having super strength and invulnerability in Hawkeye says it all 🤷🏽‍♂️
Goldboink
Goldboink - 4/4/2022, 10:17 AM
@lordSTALE -
I thought New Kingpin was nigh invulnerable.
lordSTALE
lordSTALE - 4/4/2022, 10:33 AM
@Goldboink - Ripping car doors clean off, getting hit with a car, taking arrows to the chest and tanking a big explosion point-blank, but people think this was the same Fisk from Netflix? 🤣
Goldboink
Goldboink - 4/4/2022, 11:00 AM
@lordSTALE -
Dude is juiced on something, that's for sure. He took a number of arrows. But let's not also forget that Kate Bishop was 10 feet away from an explosion that would have ruptured her eyeballs.

Willing suspension of disbelief in full force
PicolasCage
PicolasCage - 4/4/2022, 11:39 AM
@CurlyBill - it's literally the only logical stance to have, especially in the context of the multiverse and variant concepts that the MCU has spent the past year hammering home.

I have absolutely no [frick]ing clue why people are so insistent that the Netflix shows are "obviously" canon, when it is in fact equally as likely that they're variants that just so happen to look similar to the mainline MCU versions (see JJJ, President Loki, all the characters from What If, the multiple Strange variants, etc.)
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 4/5/2022, 4:02 AM
@lordSTALE - Hasn't there been a 7 year time jump since the events of Daredevil Season 3? It's not out of the question that Fisk got even stronger (like he did in the source material by reaching peak human form) or got his hands on serum.

Vincent himself stated that it was discussed with the showrunners that this is the same Kingpin that was in Daredevil. It's the same guy but he's lost his power and wants to get it back.

I'm not saying that's official confirmation that the shows are 100% canon since they could always decide to pick and choose what they wanna keep.

I'm saying that until Kevin or Marvel officially state otherwise, the shows are currently canon. That was the last official statement that was made about them; they're set in the MCU. You need another official statement to confirm otherwise.
lordSTALE
lordSTALE - 4/5/2022, 8:07 AM
@HOTSHOT - This is literally the comic Kingpin's powers. He's also supposed to stay in jail or Matt would have Vanessa charged and arrested instead. He's wearing his father's cufflinks which Vanessa made him stop wearing in DD. He has a really close relationship with Echo for years, which was never shown or even implied on the show where Wesley was his only friend/close relationship at the start. The Tracksuit Mafia was run by him for decades on Hawkeye, but NEVER mentioned or shown on DD even when they were showing all of his partners, their organization structure and which group was responsible for which tasks and all were subsequently shut down by DD one by one as season 1 went along

Charlie Cox himself has said multiple times on multiple occasions that it's not the exact same character, using the word "reimagined" each time. It's the same guy, but not the same history, some things have changed than what were on the show. So it's a variant, just like the several other characters in the same movie Cox returned as Matt Murdock in.

Then Marvel changed the Netflix show character's history to include that appearance from No Way Home, and was CLEARLY forced to remove that change like from some higher-ups in the corporation

You people STILL waiting on direct official confirmation from Feige or Marvel Studios are delusional or lack common sense or both. I'm sorry. The last official confirmation was from Charlie Cox, Kevin Feige has explicitly stated that the Disney+ shows were the first shows in the MCU, EP Nate Moore has also said something similar and Disney has REFUSED to place any of those shows on the MCU lists on Disney+ when clearly they have been policing what is and ISN'T officially placed in the franchise
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 4/5/2022, 10:18 AM
@lordSTALE - If Vanessa and/or Matt got snapped, he has reason to break out. Him stopping wearing his cufflinks represented him breaking away from who his father was. Him wearing them again implies he's embraced he's just as terrible. Why would they even bother to include them if they wanted to push that it ISN'T the same universe? Fisk could've gotten stronger like in the comics by working out more or by taking a serum.

They never said Wesley was his ONLY friend in the show. Fisk grew his criminal empire from somewhere, and the Tracksuit Mafia were small scall enough for him to start. But once he got political influences from all around, he didn't need them. As a result, they didn't go down when he went down, and he went back to them and helped them grow.

Now I'm not saying 100% of this is what happened, but from the clues and context given in Hawkeye (and by what Vincent said), and the fact that years have passed: nothing has been irreversibly contradicted that can't be explained away if they want to try.


Context matters: Charlie said it wouldn't make sense for them to pick up where the show ended, but he mentioned the time pass. "It’s a good moment to have a few years [pass]… It’s reimagined. It’s slightly different." Yeah people change after years have passed. Marvel Studios can take Matt in a different direction.

He also added that since the MCU is currently focused on multiverse stuff, it wouldn't make sense to pick up from right there.

Marvel removing that from the bio only means what I've already implied: they're legally in a dispute about it atm. Otherwise the answer is as clear as yes or no as when Fiege was asked about Venom being canon.

He never said the Disney+ shows are the first shows in the MCU. He said they're the first shows where the plots of those and the movies are directly INTERLINKED. As in you need to watch Wandavision and Loki to understand Doctor Strange 2. We already knew that wasn't the case with the previous shows, which were mostly self contained stories.

You're the delusional one for ignoring the simple fact: What Kevin says goes, and until he says otherwise, they're currently canon.

Jesus Christ you sound offended.
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 4/5/2022, 10:28 AM
@lordSTALE - Also worth noting that it's not in Marvel Legacy with the other non-canon material on Disney +
lordSTALE
lordSTALE - 4/5/2022, 10:50 AM
@HOTSHOT - No that's just stupid, because Hawkeye takes place long after everyone came back and as soon as everyone did return that ultimatum would be reestablished. Vanessa would be criminally vulnerable so Fisk would have to go back to jail. If Matt vanished, one of the first things he'd do upon coming back would be to check on the ruthless tyrant that knows his identity and actively wants him and his friends dead. Try again

They SHOWED that Wesley was his only close relationship, before that story. He only had Vanessa after Wesley's death. Try again

They deliberately showed Fisk was much stronger and more invulnerable on purpose to show that he's a variant and this very story proves that it's not the same Matt. Disney clearly made Marvel change that description on the website. Get over it

I love how you even quoted the "reimagined" thing 😂😂😂

But since you clearly need Feige's words on it. Here is literally the last thing he's said on the topic:

"And it all, for the first time, [the shows] will interlink. So, the MCU will be on your TV screen at home on Disney+ and interconnect with the movies and go back and forth."

https://comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/wandavision/kevin-feige-says-marvels-disney-shows-will-be-the-first-time-tv-shows-have-tied-into-the-mcu-a172169#gs.vtq58m

So before the Disney Plus shows, there were no television shows that interlinked with the movies. Nate Moore said something similar in the first 5 minutes of the Assembled episode for Falcon and Winter Soldier. Disney has for almost a year now placed the Marvel Television shows under the label "Marvel Legacy" and NEVER under "Marvel Cinematic Universe". And now Disney forced Marvel to remove No Way Home from Netflix Matt's history. There couldn't be greater signs and direct quotes that say those shows aren't canon. But please sit around and wait for quotes that could possibly be more specific

I'm not offended, I'm just tired of trying to show the light to the delusional. It's like arguing that the earth is round to flat-earthers, it's so annoying. "Until Feige says flat out that... wait, not like that... he has to say it this way..." 🤦🏽‍♂️
lordSTALE
lordSTALE - 4/5/2022, 10:51 AM
@HOTSHOT - Disney+ has 5 rows dedicated to "Marvel Cinematic Universe". Are the Netflix shows under any of those rows? Or are they listed under a different category entirely?

Hold this L 🤣
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 4/5/2022, 11:21 AM
@lordSTALE - That ultimatum would be established unless Fisk has moved on from Vanessa, or she left him, or he was able to hide her, or she died. Either that or they're at a stalemate that has to be determined if and when they continue the story. Can you tell me this 100% impossible to do? Nope. Try again.

"I love how you even quoted the "reimagined" thing "

Yes, it's almost as if I'm making a point how reimagined doesn't mean "make it non canon" within the context of that interview. Way to go, buddy!

Speaking of mentioning stuff, I love how you mentioned the word "interlinked" which supports what I said. These are the first ones to interlink with the movies since their plots affect them. The Netflix shows were self-contained stories that didn't impact the wider MCU. No mention of them saying they're not canon.

"There couldn't be greater signs and direct quotes that say those shows aren't canon."

Yes there could:

"Are they canon?"
'No.'

I already gave you very reasonable explanations for all of this that you conveniently ignored. Nice try though.

And yes. Fiege literally has to say the shows aren't canon for them to be not canon. "Oh but he said these shows tie more directly and Charlie says reimagined therefore that's makes them officially non-canon. I know there's no reason why wouldn't just say they're not canon directly but trust me bro lmao"


They SHOWED Wesley was his best friend. Not that he had zero allies during his years before gaining power. Try again.

They were literally asked if Fisk's newfound strength means he's playing a new version of the character and this was the response:

https://twitter.com/driiftyfilm/status/1474077771391455233?s=20&t=IxwnCNazrA04wW5jdmtogw

Try again.




HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 4/5/2022, 11:24 AM
@lordSTALE -

Listed in the MCU category: Undisputedly canon Marvel content
Listed under Marvel Legacy: Non-canon Marvel content

Netflix shows aren't in either. You:"NAH IT'S NOT DISPUTED, THEY'RE NON-CANON."
lordSTALE
lordSTALE - 4/5/2022, 12:08 PM
@HOTSHOT - I'm tired of explaining how the earth is round to the delusional today

The Feige and Moore quotes were perfect, Disney's actions with the streaming service is clear as day, and then you have this story. Don't try again, you're pathetic enough and I'm tired of this psych ward visit

"Until Feige says flat out that... wait, not like that... he has to say it this way..." 🤦🏽‍♂️

I love how I did this and you still came back with almost literally this anyway 🤣🤣🤣

NOT Listed in the MCU category:
Literally any of the Netflix Marvel shows

Listed Under "Defenders Saga":
Other Non-canon Marvel content

You:
Still living in fantasy land

Anyway I'm done trying and I'm not coming back, get the last word if you must, also try to learn to take an L. Make sure you keep your tinfoil hat nice and tight, fingers firmly in your ears because the next few years will be rough for your delusions. Bye 👋😂
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 4/5/2022, 12:46 PM
@lordSTALE - Answer this genius, if the shows are truly just non-canon, why doesn't Kevin just say so? He had no trouble saying so for Venom, so what's with the non-answers?


Why is your proof "oh but he says these Disney+ shows are INTERLINKED" instead of a straight answer as with Venom.

Also funny how the X-Men and other Spider-Men movies aren't in that category and are in the legacy section with all the other non-canon stuff in my Disney+.

It's almost as if...them not being non-canon isn't in dispute.

Are you seriously in denial that this is currently in dispute behind the scenes? Because you sure can't give me an answer for that.

Also I noticed you didn't acknowledge the clip of Vincent flat out saying it's the same version of the character while showing footage from Daredevil Season 3 and saying it was discussed with the showrunners that they're continuing his story.

Heh interesting that you happened to dodge that hole.

But aight, duck out of the argument after avoiding the question. Classic.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 4/4/2022, 9:48 AM
Marvel:
MrKeyzerSoze
MrKeyzerSoze - 4/4/2022, 10:23 AM
@BlackBeltJones -
Well time time binge watch office again
GhostDog
GhostDog - 4/4/2022, 10:30 AM
@MrKeyzerSoze - always top tier tv
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