ECHO Is Disney+'s Second Biggest TV Series In 2024...But It's Still A Long Way From First Place

ECHO Is Disney+'s Second Biggest TV Series In 2024...But It's Still A Long Way From First Place

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vectorsigma - 1/29/2024, 5:30 AM
Why is this TV-MA again? 😅

Oh yes, because the sight of blood on someone's hand is already mature for Disney the audience
FireandBlood - 1/29/2024, 5:33 AM
@vectorsigma - You sound stupid. It’s not Disney that gives their shows their ratings 😂
Origame - 1/29/2024, 5:38 AM
@FireandBlood - but it was disney that advertised it with its rating.
FireandBlood - 1/29/2024, 5:40 AM
@Origame - Because that’s the rating it got 🤨
FireandBlood - 1/29/2024, 5:42 AM
@Origame - Wait, wait, wait… after years of saying Disney wouldn’t go there, are you lot really complaining about Disney now doing R rated shit?

You guys are the caricatures of the caricature at this point. Literal South Park energy.
Origame - 1/29/2024, 5:47 AM
@FireandBlood - ...what movies or shows have they done outside of echo that directly advertise the "rating they got"?

And come on. If they're gonna go r rated, then go r rated. Not basically pg13 but with like one kinda bloody shot.

Also, they do choose the rating.
FireandBlood - 1/29/2024, 5:57 AM
@Origame - They’re not Zack Snyder. 😂 They’ve lifted restrictions so they can deliver more mature content in the same vein as the Netflix shows that they’ve just reintroduced into canon, but just like the Netflix shows, they’re were never R rated for the sake of it.

But at this point, you don’t care about any of that. You’ve just got a hard on for Disney because you feel like they’re marginalising white males, so you’re picking at anything. Like a village idiot from South Park.
vectorsigma - 1/29/2024, 5:59 AM
@FireandBlood - you sound more stupid.

Nowhere in my comment did i say that Disney gave it themselves.

But they revolved their marketing on it with that dumb message at the start like "viewer discretion is advised". Only to see pg13 stuff

This is how Disney insults us. And we see people like you defending it 😂
Origame - 1/29/2024, 6:01 AM
@FireandBlood - you say they aren't Zack Snyder, yet it's the same situation as the Snyder cut.

Justice league was intended to be pg13 even when Snyder was involved. But for the release of the Snyder cut they didn't bother making the necessary changes the mpaa required, so it's r rated.

Also, of course you gotta make it about "white men" as opposed to just not being the mature product we were advertised. There's barely anything worthy of making this r rated. And for such a mature show, they sure ended it like a Saturday morning cartoon, resolving Fisk with the power of love 🤣

But seriously, what makes this so mature it's comparable to the Netflix stuff?
vectorsigma - 1/29/2024, 6:03 AM
@FireandBlood -

"after years of saying Disney wouldn’t go there, are you lot really complaining about Disney now doing R rated shit?

you argue like a dumb influencer.

I never pointed this out ever 😂
vectorsigma - 1/29/2024, 6:09 AM
@FireandBlood -

Huh? I was the first commenter and you replied

"You sound stupid. It’s not Disney that gives their shows their ratings"

And i replied back. Then you say im the interjecter? Keep up man, you sound dunber and dumber
vectorsigma - 1/29/2024, 6:10 AM
@Origame - lol, power of love ftw 😂
FireandBlood - 1/29/2024, 6:29 AM
@vectorsigma - Oh givd it a rest. “dIsNeY iNsUlTs us” 🤣🤣 Get tf outside and touch some grass.
FireandBlood - 1/29/2024, 6:31 AM
@vectorsigma - My guy, you don’t have an argument. You’re upset over the fact the imprint you Stan [frick]ed up so badly, they quite literally had to hire another “Disney” guy to fix their shit. That’s what this all about. You ain’t gotta go this hard to be a contrarian. It’s lame and somehow, you make it seem lamer.
Origame - 1/29/2024, 6:53 AM
@vectorsigma - haha. Yeah.

Also, notice how our friend here isn't responding when I asked him to explain how it's so mature. He can't even articulate it 🤣
FireandBlood - 1/29/2024, 7:06 AM
@Origame - Who said it was “so” mature? More mature, as in maturer content that the usual. Forever the most illiterate ‘teacher’ walking God’s green earth.

And a lot of this is self explanatory. The intent with Echo was to kickstart a darker, street level side of the MCU and bring the Netflix shows back into the fold. This has been reported on over and over, so why tf you acting dumb now?

And I’m not making it about white men. I’m saying you issue with Disney lies within the fact you think white men are being marginalised and replaced by minorities and women, to the point now you’re complaining about everything and anything to do with Disney, even about movies now made for white men like Snow White.

Disney upset you personally, and boy oh boy, it shows.
vectorsigma - 1/29/2024, 7:10 AM
@Origame - true. His replies ignore our counterarguments and then focus on name calling and raises another point which is very far from the original point 😅

Origame - 1/29/2024, 7:14 AM
@FireandBlood - but even then, how is it more mature than other mcu stuff? You even directly compared the mature content to Netflix, where Fisk crushed a man's head with a car door and one of the main heroes used was a rape victim.

Also, yes you are making this about white men. You directly described me as a white man to discredit my point (which is racist and sexist fyi). I also never made this about the main actress' ethnicity or gender. This is purely about it being considered mature by the rating and marketing despite the actual content of the show.
FireandBlood - 1/29/2024, 7:22 AM
@Origame - “but even then, how is it more mature than other mcu stuff?”

This the same to you?

Origame - 1/29/2024, 7:31 AM
@FireandBlood - of course you're gonna compare this to the most goofy and childish entry in the franchise. And of course it still doesn't work. Need I remind you love and thunder started off with a man's throat being slit? Or that the villain is actively kidnapping kids with the intention to kill them all and commit genocide? That's a bit more mature than punching a man until he gets some blood on you.

And again, you directly compared echo to the Netflix stuff where a man was decapitated by a car door and a hero is a rape victim!
FireandBlood - 1/29/2024, 7:36 AM
@Origame - “Need I remind you love and thunder started off with a man's throat being slit?”

And that man had gold blood and evaporated into nothing like a draugr. But of course you make a false equivalency to further double down on your incessant tomfoolery. Forever the most disingenuous user on this site, because you know full well the intent with Echo, Daredevil and the rest of the shows that fall under the Marvel Spotlight banner is to deliver maturer content than what’s usually expected from the MCU.
Origame - 1/29/2024, 7:57 AM
@FireandBlood - so what if it did? You're acting like people aren't gonna get the gore or the violence just because it isn't the color of blood.

Also, him drying up like a draugr is pretty terrifying in comparisons to just...seeing a bloody fist.

And say I'm doing a false equivalence when you bring up the goofiest movie in the mcu and used a scene that wasn't violent and intended for laughs vs an actually intended violent scene.

And that isn't even what feige claimed spotlight was for. He claimed it was to go beyond the baggage of the overall continuity to tell character driven stories.

As for echo, they just used the "mature" content for clicks. And you fell for it hook line and sinker.
Variant - 1/29/2024, 8:07 AM
@Origame - @vectorsigma - The fact y'all are trying to downplay a show's rating is entirely silly. Origame, did you even watch it yet?... Or are you still letting people think for you?

But yes, a dude got shot in the face, another got his neck slit with a spinning blade, another dude got beat to a pulp, another dude got executed in front of hostages, another dude got shot repeatedly thru the gut...the list keeps going. But apparently so does your nonsensical whining.
FireandBlood - 1/29/2024, 8:10 AM
@Origame - I’m not acting like that, the MPAA are. This is what I mean. Just acting dumb for no reason, when you know the graphical difference between somebody leaking gold liquid then evaporating and a blood splattered body on a slab.

“him drying up like a draugr is pretty terrifying in comparisons to just”

You think him evaporating into gold dust is terrifying? Is that what you’re really going for now, just to once again double down on the bollocks your forcing yourself to swallow? 😂
FireandBlood - 1/29/2024, 8:10 AM
@Origame - “And you fell for it”

Fell for what? Bro, idc about this shit that deeply. TVMA or PG tips, it doesn’t matter. Content is content. I don’t need something to got extra hard in the gore department to satisfy whatever childish tendencies someone would have to have those requirements just to justify my own deluded idea of what it means for something to be ‘mature’. That’s all you buddy.
FireandBlood - 1/29/2024, 8:12 AM
@Variant - Now, now. You damn well know none of that’s more graphic than a god evaporating into gold fairy dust. 🥴
Origame - 1/29/2024, 8:35 AM
@Variant - 1) yes, I did. And it was trash as I knew.

2) no one is downplaying anything. It did terribly despite being on 2 different streaming platforms and was completely nonexistent in terms of viewership the second weekend.

2) a dude got shot in secret invasion and that wasn't rated tvma. In fact literally everything you mentioned has been in sh!t that isn't r rated.

3) I've already proven this has nothing to do with simply complaining and being negative because you ALSO had a problem with me seeing the silver lining in Sony wanting to use Tobey and Andrew in spiderman 4. You're a marvel shill. Stop acting like you care about anything other than absolute praise of the brand.
vectorsigma - 1/29/2024, 8:42 AM
@Variant - yeah right, reading it is different from seeing.

And ive just watched Sisu to compare, lol


Origame - 1/29/2024, 8:59 AM
@fireandblood- dude, the mpaa didn't make marvel advertise their rating as a selling point.

And no, there isn't a difference. Because I know what liquid pouring out of an open neck wound means. You fopnoodle.

And if "content is content" genuinely is your stance then fine. Why are you arguing when we clearly do care about tvma vs pg?
Origame - 1/29/2024, 9:01 AM
@fireandblood- also, this was pg13. You really gonna tell me anything in echo was more graphic and violent than this?

dragon316 - 1/29/2024, 9:21 AM
@vectorsigma - good question they show alcohol to little kids and get drunk but violence and blood really
FireandBlood - 1/29/2024, 9:32 AM
@Origame - You keep using that word, but I don’t think you know what it means. There’s nothing in that scene more graphic than what’s in Echo. Don’t let your silly imagination get the best of you here. Turning someone into string or making their brain pop isn’t graphic because it isn’t realistic. It’s almost cartoonish, in fact. Do you also find Looney Tunes graphic? 😂
FireandBlood - 1/29/2024, 9:35 AM
@Origame - Graphic violence. Look it up, and maybe you’ll understand why none of Wanda’s magical antics qualify.
Origame - 1/29/2024, 9:36 AM
@FireandBlood - then give an example. Ffs, a man had his head blown off and another character was cut in half. And the only example of graphic you have is blood on a knuckle from punching a guy. Ffs, it was in the trailers. So even the people making the trailers thought that was suitable for everyone to see. No one was putting the head exploding in the trailers.
Origame - 1/29/2024, 9:38 AM
@FireandBlood - I did. A head blowing up with blood coming from his eyes and nose is definitely more graphic and violent than a bloody fist 🤣
FireandBlood - 1/29/2024, 9:42 AM
@Origame - He didn’t have his head blown off, he had his mouth taken away, and we’re left to assume he blew his own brain away. But we’re left to assume that, never shown. And they didn’t even show Peggy being cut in half, removing the graphical side of it from the scene.

You can’t be this dense. Graphical violence is the depiction vivid, brutal and realistic acts of violence, of which there were none in Doctor Strange 2. But there is in Echo, because there’s no camera techniques distracting you away what’s being implied; they’re showing you, and it’s not cartoony either.

You think a man being shredded like paper is brutal, but it’s never depicted that way. That’s your own imagination you’re letting run riot there, but that’s not necessary with Echo. You saw and heard Kingpin beat that man to death, and there’s nothing left to imagination.
FireandBlood - 1/29/2024, 9:46 AM
@Origame - There was no head blown away. Why do you keep lying like this? His head is very much intact, and there’s no blood running either.

There’s a term for this type of thinking; delusional. Just because you imagine it, doesn’t make it real.
FireandBlood - 1/29/2024, 9:48 AM
@Origame - You’re the type of fella that thinks the Wicked Witch melting is brutal, aren’t you? 😂

Brutal af 🤭
Origame - 1/29/2024, 9:52 AM
@FireandBlood - 1) I didn't say his head was blown off. Just that it was blown up. Which objectively did happen.

And what do you mean we aren't shown? We are. Now you're just making sh!t up to pretend it's us being "left to assume" 🙄

2) that was a pretty vivid and brutal depiction of a man's head exploding. Or a woman being cut in half. You're so desperate 🤣

3) I didn't even bring that part up. So more of just you making sh!t up about my argument 🤣

4) stop assuming I said his head was blown clean off. Ffs, I even mention blood coming out of his eyes and nose.
Origame - 1/29/2024, 10:04 AM
@FireandBlood - more brutal than anything in echo you mean 🤣
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