ECHO Deleted Scene Details Reveal Just How Much The MCU TV Series Changed During Post-Production - SPOILERS

ECHO Deleted Scene Details Reveal Just How Much The MCU TV Series Changed During Post-Production - SPOILERS

A closer look at a deleted scene from Echo sheds new light on how the series changed over time, with this seemingly minor sequence changing everything we know about the latest Marvel Studios TV series...

By JoshWilding - Jan 11, 2024 11:01 AM EST
Filed Under: Echo

No matter whether you loved or loathed Echo, it probably didn't take you long to notice that the series was put through the wringer during post-production.

From a shoehorned-in recap of Maya Lopez's backstory to those oddly situated flashbacks featuring her ancestors, rumours of Marvel Studios cutting an entire episode now make sense (when Maya reunites with her cousin and grandfather, for example, it's clear that isn't the first time she shared the screen with them). 

We don't know whether Echo required extensive reshoots, but the second episode, for example, has seven credited writers. We'd bet on there being a lot of scenes which didn't survive the editing room and can only hope that Daredevil: Born Again - which is being completely overhauled despite several episodes having been shot - now fares a little better. 

Scooper @CanWeGetToast recently shared a screenshot from one of Echo's trailers, offering some insights into a major sequence which was deleted. 

"A scene where Uncle Henry was (safely) shot by Maya using Tuklo’s powers was actually filmed for ‘ECHO’ and was cut from the series," they explain. "Maya would’ve shot Henry to convince Kingpin that she was on his side, but Henry would’ve survived with the help of his mortician friend."

Not only does this mean that Echo was once planning to pretend she was on The Kingpin's side, but her powers were going to emerge much sooner. That suggests the entire finale was reworked...unless the idea was for Maya to return to New York with Fisk after their clash, taking his operation down from the inside. We'll likely never know...

We awarded Echo 3.5* in our review and concluded by saying, "Alaqua Cox is a triumph in Echo, a series which may have taken a beating in the editing room, but still manages to deliver a ferocious, culturally significant story which puts Maya Lopez on the map and ushers in a new era of MCU storytelling on TV."

The five-episode streaming event spotlights Maya Lopez (Alaqua Cox) as she is pursued by Wilson Fisk's (Vincent D'Onofrio) criminal empire. When the journey brings her home, she must confront her own family and legacy.

Echo also stars Chaske Spencer (Wild IndianThe English), Graham Greene (1883Goliath), Tantoo Cardinal (Killers of the Flower MoonStumptown), Devery Jacobs (FX's Reservation DogsAmerican Gods), Zahn McClarnon (Dark Winds, FX's Reservation Dogs), Cody Lightning (Hey, Viktor!Four Sheets to the Wind) and Vincent D’Onofrio (HawkeyeGodfather of Harlem).

The series is directed by Sydney Freeland (Navajo) and Catriona McKenzie (Gunaikurnai).

All five episodes of Echo are now streaming on Disney+ and Hulu.

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lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 1/11/2024, 11:49 AM


again...
Origame
Origame - 1/11/2024, 12:09 PM
@lazlodaytona - yes, an entire episode being cut leading to character interactions not being there, and everyone just acts like I should know everyone.

And people act like the writing is so good 🤣

And this is from Josh, who absolutely praised the writing.
HammerLegFoot
HammerLegFoot - 1/11/2024, 11:54 AM
I like Fisk in this. And I loved that quick fight scene with DD at the beginning. The way he pushed himself up off the floor when Maya kneed him in the face. Beautiful
RedFury
RedFury - 1/11/2024, 11:57 AM
@HammerLegFoot - that choreography was beautiful for Daredevil. And the part you mention had me in awe. Whoever put that together has a really good grasp of what makes DD so badass.
Origame
Origame - 1/11/2024, 12:11 PM
@HammerLegFoot - the sad thing is, so many have unironically praised that fight I can't tell if you're serious or not.
RedFury
RedFury - 1/11/2024, 12:24 PM
@Origame - you weren't a fan of that sequence?
TheLobster
TheLobster - 1/11/2024, 12:25 PM
@HammerLegFoot - Fisk was reduced to being an absolute bitch in this man what lol

Begging Maya to come home and then losing his shit like a toddler and saying [frick] it imma kill everyone because she didn’t? That’s just dumb.

Netflix’s Fisk was calculating and his outbursts felt earned/exciting. He wasn’t even threatening here. It’s all watered down man.
CerealKiller1
CerealKiller1 - 1/11/2024, 12:51 PM
@RedFury - He’ll get back to you when he’s checked some comment sections to find out what his opinion should be
Origame
Origame - 1/11/2024, 2:24 PM
@RedFury - ...no. I'm not a fan of that.
Origame
Origame - 1/11/2024, 2:25 PM
@CerealKiller1 - no, that would be you.
CerealKiller1
CerealKiller1 - 1/11/2024, 2:33 PM
@Origame - Yeah we both know that was pretty easily proved incorrect yesterday. One of us went and watched it for ourselves. One of us parroted what some guy who potentially never even watched it said
RedFury
RedFury - 1/11/2024, 2:35 PM
@Origame - that's too bad, I thought the DD stuff was really cool. What was your issue with it?
HammerLegFoot
HammerLegFoot - 1/11/2024, 2:39 PM
@Origame - I loved it. It was short and sweet, and just gave us a lil droplet of DD. He's moves were smooth and fluid. I did have any issues wit it. And I just watch that fight sequence again before typing this and still have no issues with it.
Origame
Origame - 1/11/2024, 2:39 PM
@CerealKiller1 - dude, I was taking fact of the content of the program.

You even proved him correct that the first episode was filled with hawkeye footage.

Also, what in there was so violent it warranted the tvma rating as an advertisement?

Origame
Origame - 1/11/2024, 2:40 PM
@RedFury - it just wasn't well polished. So many punches clearly missed their mark. And they visibly stop as if waiting for their cues.
Origame
Origame - 1/11/2024, 2:40 PM
@HammerLegFoot - ok. Good for you.
marvel72
marvel72 - 1/11/2024, 2:41 PM
@HammerLegFoot - Fisk has been pussified.
Daredevil has a fight with Echo then runs away, she was killing people and Daredevil let her go.
HammerLegFoot
HammerLegFoot - 1/11/2024, 2:41 PM
@TheLobster - What I was liking about Fisk is that he was trying to be like a father to her, but at times until he blew up at the end, I didn't know if he was being Ginuwine or if he had an agenda. At the end yes he was just being Ginuwine, but when he couldnt' have is "daughter" he said [frick] this bitch kill her and all her people. Loved it.
RedFury
RedFury - 1/11/2024, 2:44 PM
@Origame - that's fair. I can understand that criticism. Sometimes these kind of sequences can feel like more of a dance, than an actual fight.

I still liked how they made DD move though, and how he just appeared was pretty cool. It's rare we get to see the heroes from the opposite side of the aisle.
Origame
Origame - 1/11/2024, 2:58 PM
@RedFury - I can get that too. And thanks for being so understanding. I'm seriously in an argument with someone telling me to shut up about my opinions. Glad to see someone who's able to just politely disagree.
Variant
Variant - 1/11/2024, 3:02 PM
@RedFury - Origame has also only seen the bad quality leaked footage. Either that or he's only repeating what others have said because he hasn't actually watched any of the show. For whatever reason he just likes to criticize anything and everything he can. Bizarre behavior...

At any rate, I agree with you and @HammerLegFoot that fight scene was executed really well. The subtle pauses also didn't feel like choreographed moments, they looked more like they were both being calculated fighters just how people in MMA fight in real life pause to assess their opponent.

Also, that delayed kick Maya did was sick af.
Variant
Variant - 1/11/2024, 3:05 PM
@Origame - "The sad thing is, so many have unironically praised that fight..."

Is THAT the sad thing? Or is the sad thing the minority of people that criticize that fight have to reach to find nitpicky things for the sole purpose of being negative?

Not sure why I have to point this out but it's not sad when "so many people" enjoy something.
CerealKiller1
CerealKiller1 - 1/11/2024, 3:06 PM
@Origame - No, you made an assumption on the amount based off of me saying you were wrong. You said ‘mostly’. I said not ‘mostly’. And that somehow meant you were right. Oh wow, would’ve been so hard for someone to guess there was a couple scenes from Hawkeye in the first episode to bridge the gap. So hard to have known

Also hilarious that in a comment further down you say you’re having an argument with a guy for ‘your opinion’ even though it’s literally somebody elses opinion 😂
HammerLegFoot
HammerLegFoot - 1/11/2024, 3:11 PM
@Origame - Bitch you commented under my shit.
HammerLegFoot
HammerLegFoot - 1/11/2024, 3:12 PM
@Variant - That kick was chefs kiss.
Origame
Origame - 1/11/2024, 3:14 PM
@Variant - Jesus christ dude. Scroll down. The guy who posted that clarified he liked it, and I said good for him.

The other guy asked my thoughts on why I didn't like it. And we got into a pleasant discussion where we politely disagreed but understood each other.

Why can't you act like this?
Origame
Origame - 1/11/2024, 3:15 PM
@HammerLegFoot - ...I literally said good for you. What more do you want?
HammerLegFoot
HammerLegFoot - 1/11/2024, 3:16 PM
@Origame - A cookie
Origame
Origame - 1/11/2024, 3:17 PM
@CerealKiller1 - ...if there wasn't any, why not just say it?

And who am I arguing with?
HammerLegFoot
HammerLegFoot - 1/11/2024, 3:18 PM
@Origame - Im just messing wit you bro no hard feelings
Origame
Origame - 1/11/2024, 3:18 PM
@HammerLegFoot - fine. Have a cookie. You like oreos?
Origame
Origame - 1/11/2024, 3:19 PM
@HammerLegFoot - ha. Figured that with the cookie line. You and @redfury are good people.
RedFury
RedFury - 1/11/2024, 3:22 PM
@Origame - I hear you man. While we may not agree on things, there's no need for us to hate eachother over what we like and don't like.

I like to know why people feel the way they do about things. Gives me a perspective I may not have thought of.
HammerLegFoot
HammerLegFoot - 1/11/2024, 3:23 PM
@Origame - Make it a double stuff and you got a deal
CerealKiller1
CerealKiller1 - 1/11/2024, 3:26 PM
@Origame - When did I say there wasn’t any? I literally reference that there is a couple in the comment you’re replying to. Dude your reading comprehension is abysmal. Actually look at the words in front of you. Stop commenting based on the random preconceived notions you seem to get. Or just don’t even bother replying, what’s the point when you’re not interested in any kind of actual conversation in reality
Origame
Origame - 1/11/2024, 3:29 PM
@RedFury - exactly. And I had a nice perspective on the matter from you.
Origame
Origame - 1/11/2024, 3:30 PM
@HammerLegFoot - really breaking my bank account on that one 🤣
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