HAWKEYE's Season Finale Finally Revealed The Show's Big Bad, But There Was A Major Twist - SPOILERS

HAWKEYE's Season Finale Finally Revealed The Show's Big Bad, But There Was A Major Twist - SPOILERS

The "Big Guy" was finally revealed in today's episode of Hawkeye, but things definitely didn't play out the way we expected. Find out exactly what went down in the action-packed finale after the jump...

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By JoshWilding - Dec 22, 2021 04:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Hawkeye

Marvel Studios finally brought The Kingpin into the Marvel Cinematic Universe with today's episode of Hawkeye, and those of you hoping for a comic accurate take on the villain were unlikely to be disappointed. After scenes with Eleanor Bishop, Kazi, and Maya Lopez, Wilson Fisk made his presence felt during the final act for a battle with Kate Bishop. 

Clearly a little larger than how he was portrayed in Daredevil, this Kingpin was every bit as strong as his comic book counterpart, tearing a door off a car with ease, shaking off being shot with an arrow, hit by a car, and even blown up! His battle with Kate was excellent, though Fisk managed to escape before the authorities could make him answer for what happened at Rockefeller Center.

Much to his relief, Maya - who he'd ordered Kazi to kill - showed up to seemingly take him to safety. However, she knows he set her father up to die at the hands of Ronin and takes revenge by appearing to shoot The Kingpin in the head. The camera pans up before we can see too much, though the flash/sound of the gunshot and what sounds like him falling to the floor were hard to miss. 

Has Marvel Studios already killed off the Kingpin of Crime, one week after his MCU debut?

If so, they might want to prepare for "Trevor" in Iron Man 3 levels of backlash. However, the comic books may provide some clues. When Maya discovered that Fisk had killed her father, she shot him in the face and blinded the villain. He lost his criminal empire and fled to Europe alone and broken before receiving an eye transplant. When he returned, The Kingpin set his sights on both Daredevil and Maya, so perhaps this is the direction Echo will take the story in? 

Unfortunately, we'll have to wait and see for now. Aside from this moment of ambiguity/potential disappointment, the Hawkeye finale definitely delivered a satisfying conclusion to this Christmas caper.
 

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TanukiTrooper
TanukiTrooper - 12/22/2021, 4:33 AM
Yeah, figured. I hadn't read any of the comics with Echo before, so I didn't know the comic version of what happened, but cutaway deaths of popular characters are rarely ever deaths.
The1st
The1st - 12/22/2021, 11:10 AM
@TanukiTrooper - He took an arrow, he can take a bullet.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 12/22/2021, 1:22 PM
@TanukiTrooper - But I think I shouldn't have to, in order to get it.
Deklipz
Deklipz - 12/22/2021, 1:56 PM
@dagenspear - You don't have to. For the non-comic reading audience it's meant to be a surprise tag at the end. The confusion is intended. For the comic reading audience it's a hint as to what may be to come based on the comics. Nobody 'has to' read the comic to understand at all.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 12/22/2021, 7:14 PM
@Deklipz - But I think they may have to to have garner a satisfying emotional resolution to the situation.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 12/22/2021, 8:18 PM
@Deklipz - well put
Deklipz
Deklipz - 12/23/2021, 1:18 PM
@dagenspear - for the non-comic reader maya getting her shot at him in the post credits is a solid resolution. It also propels her towards her own series on a new journey.
Deklipz
Deklipz - 12/23/2021, 1:18 PM
@McMurdo - thank you!
dagenspear
dagenspear - 12/23/2021, 8:41 PM
@Deklipz - But the audience may not just made up of non comic fans and comic fans. Even so, that wouldn't change it. I'm not a real comic fan, but I know about this character and have watched him in stuff and to see it end this way, even if it's not the actually, with no developed reveal of him not being dead, I don't like and see as lame to not have. There can be viewers of the Daredevil show that this appeals to and are watching in connection this and seeing the character die could be seen as a cheap thing to do.
Deklipz
Deklipz - 12/23/2021, 10:41 PM
@dagenspear - Could you maybe type that out in some coherent sentences? I’m a fan of the character and Dinifrios portrayal as well but the credit scene doesn’t diminish either of those things. I have 0 comic knowledge of Echo other than what I’ve read here and the scene didn’t come off as cheap or dismissive of the kingpins character at all to me. It was a fitting conclusion to Mayas arc in the series. As such I’m looking forward to where they go. Even if it means he’s dead.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 12/24/2021, 3:11 AM
@Deklipz - Why isn't it coherent?

To me, moreso the lack of a post credits scene, for the character, to show it, I think for little reason.

I didn't say they couldn't have Maya shoot him. That doesn't mean they couldn't have had a post credits scene showing him alive and such. He could've been anyone, if all he was there to do is die for Maya's arc.
Deklipz
Deklipz - 12/24/2021, 11:17 AM
@dagenspear - and for the general non comic book audience him being just the generic crime boss at the end of this story alone is fine. If/when he shows up they’ll have a nice surprise.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 12/24/2021, 8:21 PM
@Deklipz - But it's not a surprise, for them, that really matters to not have as a post credits scene here. What's the point in not having it in this?

But the audience may not just made up of non comic fans and comic fans. There can be viewers of the Daredevil show that aren't comic fans that this appeals to and are watching in connection to this and seeing the character die, without a reveal that he's alive, could be seen as a cheap, lame and/or weak thing to do.
alibaba3317
alibaba3317 - 12/22/2021, 4:39 AM
This was a terrible show. So much cringe nonsense and silly plotting. Boring characters, awfully shot action and annoyingly unbalanced, I don't want to complain about power levels but that shit is getting ridiculous, it's hard to give a shit when everyone either has plot armor on them or fighting somebody with it.
SnideCut
SnideCut - 12/22/2021, 4:51 AM
@alibaba3317 - eh, agree to disagree. I thoroughly enjoyed myself.
Spagett
Spagett - 12/22/2021, 4:52 AM
@alibaba3317 - I don't have too many problems with it, I think they leant all little too much on the larpers, other than that it was pretty good IMO. I think this episode was the weakest for me, and the weakest finale of the Disney+ shows so far.
Cap1
Cap1 - 12/22/2021, 5:17 AM
@alibaba3317 - I liked the show but I agree the action was poorly shot. Either badly edited or badly choreographed, or both. I’m not Shang-Chi’s biggest fan but the combat there was just so much better
heisei24
heisei24 - 12/22/2021, 6:18 AM
@Cap1 - The action in D+ shows are generally poorly shot, Loki was probably the biggest offender.
SerKurtWagner
SerKurtWagner - 12/22/2021, 7:17 AM
@alibaba3317 - Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.
TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 12/22/2021, 10:07 AM
@alibaba3317 - The bros weren’t half bad but the larpers… I couldn’t stand them from day 1 and they stayed to day 6 (5? Whatever) so corny
Kurban
Kurban - 12/22/2021, 1:27 PM
@alibaba3317 - I agree with all of it and still generally enjoyed the show for what it was. They really started to grind on me with Kingpin getting his ass kicked by the end though. I get if Spider-Man could beat him, but really, Kate Bishop?
JDL
JDL - 12/22/2021, 3:12 PM
@TheWalkingCuban - You need a sense of humour. Try Amazon.
TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 12/22/2021, 3:25 PM
@JDL - Amazon prime? I forgot my password, what’s yours? They sucked. Now if they were larpers played by say, the cast of Reno 911, then they would’ve been hilarious no matter what they said… but they would’ve probably said funny stuff. You’d hope
Curlyhairfro
Curlyhairfro - 12/23/2021, 10:11 AM
@alibaba3317 - there used to be comedic relief, now every character is a comedian. Hard to take anything serious when a dude with a gun trying to kill someone decides that's a good time to talk about seeing maroon 5.
LongMayHeReign
LongMayHeReign - 12/22/2021, 4:47 AM
Me after seeing that ending knowing that the salt was about to flow.



And then me when the first twitter reaction I saw was a guy complaining that "Kate went toe to toe with Kingpin".
Roodi
Roodi - 12/22/2021, 5:10 AM
@LongMayHeReign - Holy shit I saw that idiot.
LongMayHeReign
LongMayHeReign - 12/22/2021, 10:16 AM
@Roodi - Yup dude was so butthurt he fabricated an entirely different end fight in his head Lol
TheBlueMorpho
TheBlueMorpho - 12/22/2021, 11:25 AM
@LongMayHeReign -

I can't see why they would think Kate getting beat up the entire time is going toe to toe. But their reasoning is probably since she didn't get flattened after the first hit its going toe to toe.
LongMayHeReign
LongMayHeReign - 12/22/2021, 11:31 AM
@TheBlueMorpho - Exactly, dude was probably thinking anyone except the actual Avengers themselves should automatically get the car door treatment.
Kurban
Kurban - 12/22/2021, 1:31 PM
@TheBlueMorpho - Kinda yeah. I mean think about it, he’s got such incredible strength now that one punt of his hand sends her flying across the room. Several times. Part of my problem with Kate in fights is they show her getting tossed around but then pretend like she can just get back up from it with no real damage. There’s no real stakes in her getting hit if she’s just fine afterwards, which is a problem.
BestAtWhatIDo
BestAtWhatIDo - 12/22/2021, 1:43 PM
@Kurban - That fall from 30 Rock should have broken both her ankles at least, that was ridiculous. Not to mention Clint into the tree. Help us suspend our disbelief A LITTLE.
Kurban
Kurban - 12/22/2021, 2:11 PM
@BestAtWhatIDo - It’s the same problem I have with the Black Widow movie, as well.
BestAtWhatIDo
BestAtWhatIDo - 12/22/2021, 2:14 PM
@Kurban - It's just lazy writing, throwing up your hands and saying "it's all fake anyway." Well then, where are the stakes? Do these human characters even need a strategy when wading into like 40 people? Really pissed me off in Falcon & Winter Soldier when Falcon was taking punches from superheroes like they were nothing.
TheBlueMorpho
TheBlueMorpho - 12/22/2021, 6:34 PM
@Kurban -

I'm not onboard with that.

Its a comic book show with hero's. It's not reality. The phrase "real stakes" is meaningless to me in CBM's. If she gets flattened after one hit then what's the point? Unless it's part of the story and its building to something. Kate not getting in any real offense in hand to hand and getting man handled the entire time was enough.

She doesn't need to be almost crippled from getting beat up. I don't need to take hero fights super seriously expecting real world consequences of the beatings they get.
Kurban
Kurban - 12/22/2021, 7:11 PM
@TheBlueMorpho - If there is no difference between superpowered and non-superpowered characters, then what is the point of superheroes? You're justifying lazy writing in having a non-super powered character get pummeled but still in fighting shape despite being a normal person. If Hawkeye got slammed by Thanos, I'd expect his ass to be gone, not writhing around in pain comedically for a moment before suddenly bouncing back because he's 'a hero.' That's bad writing.
TheBlueMorpho
TheBlueMorpho - 12/23/2021, 2:53 AM
@Kurban -

Non superpowered hero's in comics and movies are still not regular people. They can take and do more than the average person. Suspension of disbelief goes a long way in this genre.
SnideCut
SnideCut - 12/22/2021, 4:51 AM
Kingpin isn't dead. Read comics people. This is exactly what happens with Echo there. He gets blinded basically, not dead.
Spagett
Spagett - 12/22/2021, 4:56 AM
@SnideCut - Really? That sounds dumb. I was hoping the Echo show would open with the gun going off when it's hit with a billy club, and the thud we heard is revealed to be Daredevil landing in the alley.
SnideCut
SnideCut - 12/22/2021, 6:35 AM
@Spagett - no reason it couldn't honestly. Its not that dumb in the comics honestly. Plus it gives a new dynamic between DD and Kingpin.
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 12/22/2021, 8:31 AM
@Spagett - you sound dumb
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