LOKI's Season 2 Premiere Teases Kang/He Who Remains' Secret Connection With [SPOILER]

LOKI's Season 2 Premiere Teases Kang/He Who Remains' Secret Connection With [SPOILER]

Loki's season 2 premiere sets the stage for what looks to be an exciting six weeks of MCU television, but the episode also drops some hints about the secret history between He Who Remains and [SPOILER]...

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By JoshWilding - Oct 05, 2023 09:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Loki

In Loki's season 1 finale, Ravonna Renslayer left the TVA in order to discover the secrets behind an organisation she believed was ruled by the Time-Keepers. Like the rest of its agents, the former Judge is a Variant and has no memory of the period Kang openly ruled over them.

Similar to Kang, Ravonna's comic book counterpart has taken on quite a few personas across different time periods and seems inextricably linked to the Conqueror. Whether Loki season 2 will explore their romance remains to be seen, though today's premiere definitely offers some intriguing hints about what's to come.

When the God of Mischief finds himself in the past version of the TVA, he encounters a recording of a conversation between Kang/He Who Remains and the Judge he later clashed with.

"For us. For All Time," Kang says before Ravonna responds, "Always."

"Ravonna Renslayer, You are quite a Marvel," the time-traveller adds. "I will be proud to lead with you. You made a difference in this war. Thank you for being on my team."

There certainly appears to be some romantic tension there but an even bigger takeaway is the fact that Ravonna played a crucial role in helping Kang end the Multiversal War before establishing TVA. He planned for them to lead it together, so what changed and why did he turn his back on her?

We're hoping that question will be answered in the weeks ahead, but there's a secret history here which could be crucial to both this series and the wider Multiverse Saga. If Ravonna falls for another Kang Variant, there's a very real risk it will only make the villain more dangerous.

Either way, we're intrigued, and she's still out there somewhere with Miss Minutes at her side so a reunion may be imminent.

Loki season 2 will pick up in the aftermath of the shocking season finale when Loki finds himself in a battle for the soul of the Time Variance Authority. Along with Mobius, Hunter B-15 and a team of new and returning characters, Loki navigates an ever-expanding and increasingly dangerous multiverse in search of Sylvie, Judge Renslayer, Miss Minutes and the truth of what it means to possess free will and glorious purpose.

The series stars Tom Hiddleston, Sophia Di Martino, Gugu Mbatha-Raw, Wunmi Mosaku, Eugene Cordero, Rafael Casal, Tara Strong, Kate Dickie, Liz Carr, Neil Ellice, with Jonathan Majors, Ke Huy Quan and Owen Wilson.

Justin Benson & Aaron Moorhead, Dan Deleeuw and Kasra Farahani direct episodes. The Head Writer is Eric Martin.

Loki season 2 begins streaming on October 5, exclusively on Disney+.

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MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 10/5/2023, 9:49 PM
Didn't get a chance to watch yet and i havent went through the threads on here. What did you guys think?
GhostDog
GhostDog - 10/5/2023, 9:58 PM
Premiere was pretty good. I’m locked in. Cool to be back in this world, which doesn’t feel like the MCU; that’s a plus.
ShellHead
ShellHead - 10/5/2023, 10:04 PM
I Loved the pacing of this episode. So much forward momentum! It feels like after three years of setup, we're finally getting payoffs on the Multiverse arc
JDL
JDL - 10/5/2023, 10:42 PM
I thought it was pretty good.
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 10/5/2023, 11:21 PM
Very confusing and didn’t make a whole lot of sense.
They seem to be trying too hard to be cryptic and mysterious.

They already violated their own time travel rules that they set in Endgame.
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 10/6/2023, 12:21 AM
@TyrantBossMedia - Which rule? And how did they violate it?
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 10/6/2023, 7:54 AM
@SpiderParker - You can’t change the future by going to the past because when you go to the past the present you leave becomes the past.

How do you guys not even remember the rules written for convenience for a marvel movie as big as Endgame?
Evansly
Evansly - 10/6/2023, 8:16 AM
@TyrantBossMedia - "Time works differently in the TVA"
marvel72
marvel72 - 10/6/2023, 9:25 AM
@TyrantBossMedia - Have seen the spoiler reviews on YouTube? Chris Gore has seen the first 4 episodes and it doesn't sound good.
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 10/6/2023, 10:06 AM
@TyrantBossMedia - Oh, I remember it. By the way, you stated the rule, you didn't answer how it violated it. Let me explain to you, Avengers couldn't change their own Timeline events cause when they left their present, it became the past. But did they or did they not return to their past? So, does that not mean they traveled back in time? You guys give too much attention to the rule, its just an explanation for multiple realities, they never time traveled to be honest, it was always reality hopping.

Since, in TVA, time works differently, many things doesn't work in TVA and TVA is a fixed point as in there can be no branch reality for TVA, alternate realities can not be created or they would have been fighting among themselves for ages. So, any changes to their timeline affects their own timeline only not a branch. Is there a possibility in future, this can somehow be applied to Sacred Timeline too? Yes, perhaps Kang has discovered a way to Time Travel in the truest of sense which is why only he or his kingdom works like that.
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 10/6/2023, 10:51 AM
@marvel72 - I heard part of that last night. It sure does not sound goid
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 10/6/2023, 10:54 AM
@SpiderParker - That’s the cop out written for convenience. They never explain why time works differently in the TVA. They just state it knowing that many of the loyalists in the audience will accept it without question.

Loki is time traveling in the same timeline..he meets younger OB and interacts with him and older OB remembers meeting him and their interactions.
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 10/6/2023, 10:56 AM
@Evansly - Yeah, A line written out of convenience without explanation because they know too many of the loyalists will just accept that without question.
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 10/6/2023, 12:39 PM
@TyrantBossMedia - That's not a cop out, people looking for problems will always find them even if it doesn't justify itself. I just explained to you how Loki is time traveling in the same timeline is affecting or rather is not affecting the events of the present and future as it was always supposed to happen like that cause TVA can't have branch realities as it is outside of the multiverse.

So, by this logic, there can only be two ways time traveling can go in this situation.
1) Any time traveling will probably result in no change to future as it was always meant to happen in that way anyway.
2) Any time traveling can alter and change the future without creating branch reality.

And I'm pretty certain it's a combination of the two as Loki went to the future and the writers have already said they will loop back into that in the future. So, the change was always supposed to happen and it will always lead to the same future unless they find a way to break the loop. It was already hinted in the episode that it was always supposed to happen like that. It's not that farfetched to think all of this rules can co-exist.
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 10/6/2023, 1:01 PM
@SpiderParker - "Loki is time traveling in the same timeline is affecting or rather is not affecting the events of the present and future as it was always supposed to happen like that cause TVA can't have branch realities as it is outside of the multiverse."

When you have to fan fiction a story it isn't written well.

And what you wrote totally changes the rules they put in place in Endgame.
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 10/6/2023, 2:52 PM
@TyrantBossMedia - It doesn't change any rules. Bruce and Tony never figured out time travel, they figured out a way to create branch realities at different points of time. They are in no way experts. And even those rules apply only within the Multiverse. TVA is outside the multiverse.

Just stop for a second and think, what would happen if you tried to time travel outside the multiverse? You would create a loop which changes nothing while changing something. If you actually stopped to think, you would understand how time travel works differently in TVA where multiverse is not a factor. If they had shown a TVA with a different reality than the one they had, it would have caused more problem as that would mean, there are many different variants of TVA itself not just the characters. Which would indicate, 2 variants of the same TVA agents fighting among themselves to preserve their own "different" Sacred Timeline. It would be chaos. Would be funny if they end up breaking the loop and creating variants of TVA hence creating TVA multiverse.

In anyway, it makes sense if you have some sense about time travel and multiverse which is why most people hate this saga cause its beyond their grasp and comprehension. People would rather have a simple story like the early days of MCU than have a complex story and force themselves into thinking. I'm no defender of MCU after Infinity War, I think Endgame is very overrated and there are some hit and miss (mostly) after that but I won't say their time travel and Multiverse doesn't makes sense cause it absolutely does. Loki does it nicely and builds up after Endgame without contradicting it.
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 10/6/2023, 3:04 PM
@SpiderParker - Guy, You are fan fictioning the hell out of this all to do what? Justify and explain away the bad writing of Marvel.
EskimoJ
EskimoJ - 10/6/2023, 4:36 PM
@TyrantBossMedia - How do these rules apply when you're outside of time, as has already been established on this very show?
EskimoJ
EskimoJ - 10/6/2023, 4:37 PM
@SpiderParker - Don't bother, he was never going to like what they did with this show.

It'll be something different next time.

(And just wait until The Marvels releases!) 😁
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 10/6/2023, 4:52 PM
@TyrantBossMedia - You are the one fan fictioning by saying something that is outside of Multiverse should stick to multiverse rules. Either you are a die hard hater or slow.
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 10/6/2023, 5:15 PM
@EskimoJ - Yeah, I figured that from the very beginning. Sometimes it's intriguing to know if someone who lacks the ability to understand logic by their own, is presented with reason and explanation, would they choose to still argue pointlessly or try to understand it instead.

These are the kind of people who would understand a movie on their 3rd watch or want a 2h movie instead have a 4h cut, not for the substance, but so that they can be blinded by spectacle alot more and be able to ignore the lack of substance better.
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 10/6/2023, 5:44 PM
@SpiderParker - Ah, name calling and attempted insults. The tactics of those with no strength of argument.
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 10/6/2023, 5:51 PM
@EskimoJ - Then they should take the time to explain that. It doesn’t take much. The time travel rules have been established and they should apply across the board.
But if time “works differently here” as you say then why do any time rules apply?

They can literally open time doors so why not use those to correct what’s happening with Loki?

Iots called strong writing that’s required. Marvel just doesn’t have it.
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 10/6/2023, 6:56 PM
@TyrantBossMedia - Nah buddy, I'm only saying it like I see it. Either you don't wanna understand or you are slow at understanding. Either case is a you problem. If you think its a insult, then surely there is some truth to it. It's not very hard to understand a place outside of the multiverse can't create branch realities and any time travel that happens, already happened before it happened. So, while it appears as if it changed the future but it didn't as it never really changed the past. If you ever watched Interstellar, you would understand the causal loop.

Let me explain it by the same rules you are saying it violated.

As Hulk explained,
"Changing the past doesn't change the future"
"If you travel to the past, that past becomes your future and your former present becomes the past which can't now be changed by your new future."

First of all, all that means is, if the former present is changed then the person who changed the past can't change it since he no longer will be in the same former present where he left to change it. If I lose my leg, and I went to the past to save my leg, then my past's future has a leg so how can he travel back to time in order to save his leg? This is the paradox hulk explained. So, any changes to the timeline only works if it doesn't create a branch reality, for example, if I go back in time to kill Hitler, it will work cause Hitler was already dead before I time traveled to kill him who was always meant to be killed by my future self anyway, it's just that no one not even I knew that he died by me in my former present.

And, since TVA is outside of multiverse, any events caused was always meant to happen as it can't create branch reality, changing the past never changes his future. And since, Loki's present became his past, the moment he went to past, his past was never changed. Things were the same as when he left. And since his present was never changed, the future was also always going to be same. It's a causal loop.

So for the millionth time, his former present which is his past now didn't really change a bit from when he left it. So, it sticks to the rules.
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 10/6/2023, 7:58 PM
@SpiderParker - I’m not reading all of that slick.

But you go on creating fan fiction to make up for their bad writing
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 10/6/2023, 8:08 PM
@TyrantBossMedia - lol, for the millionth time I proved how they didn't break any rules set by Endgame and your counter is you are not gonna read?
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 10/6/2023, 11:01 PM
@SpiderParker - “the millionth time”

You didn’t prove anything guy. You wrote a fan fiction .
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 10/7/2023, 12:35 AM
@TyrantBossMedia - Not really, there's precedent for it in Steve Rogers' time travel shenanigans. The so called fanfiction are facts and rules that you are arguing Marvel didn't obey when in fact, you have failed from the very beginning to answer how that rule is violated when I asked you initially. You are the "Prove me why you are right so I can say you are wrong, but I won't prove you why I think I'm right cause I can't stress myself to think but I just wanna argue anyway" guy. Watch Nolan's Interstellar and instead of pretending to understand it, actually try to understand it.
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 10/7/2023, 2:55 AM
@SpiderParker - You are twisting the rules in any way imaginable in order to fit your implausible theory.
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 10/7/2023, 10:04 AM
@TyrantBossMedia - Again, you never understood the rules to begin with. Hulk always meant the former present can't be changed by your the upcoming future in your past or the changed past won't lead to the same former present. Meaning paradox. But as long as former present is left unchanged, any loop changing your apparent future is permitted as in causal loops aren't really chaging future but they start and end in themselves. Which is why, Old Cap in main timeline is very much a possibility and is how the writers pictured it as well.

I'm sure you won't understand the rule once again, so why don't you explain the rule? What does that rule mean? How about you stop quoting a dialogue when you have zero understanding behind its meaning. Improve your comprehension power before you say somthing or someone is not living up to their own set of words. Go read about paradox and tell me that rule is not talking about paradox. As long as that rule is about paradox, any time travel expert will tell you time travel that doesn't lead to paradox is well within the plausibility. So, prove it to me that rule is not about paradox. :)
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 10/7/2023, 6:52 PM
@SpiderParker - You’re eating both my time and yours. I’m not reading all of that.
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 10/5/2023, 11:43 PM
3 articles is really unnecessary, Wilding.
LukeCage2155
LukeCage2155 - 10/6/2023, 12:54 AM
Excellent premiere episode.
Spike101
Spike101 - 10/6/2023, 6:27 PM
Well I might be in a minority but I thought that was pretty boring to be honest. When is Loki going to start acting like the God of Mischief and not just some regular guy who has to run away to protect himself from even the slightest danger?
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