WANDAVISION Head Writer Breaks Silence On Scarlet Witch's Divisive Story Arc In DOCTOR STRANGE Sequel

WANDAVISION Head Writer Breaks Silence On Scarlet Witch's Divisive Story Arc In DOCTOR STRANGE Sequel

WandaVision and Agatha All Along Head Writer Jac Schaeffer has broken her silence on the Scarlet Witch's divisive story arc in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness thanks to writer Michael Waldron.

By JoshWilding - Sep 21, 2024 08:09 AM EST
Filed Under: WandaVision
Source: Radio Times

For a time, it looked like Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige was putting all his eggs in a Rick & Morty-shaped basket. He tapped a number of writers from that series to work on the Multiverse Saga, including Jeff Loveness and Michael Waldron.

The former penned Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania before being hired for Avengers: The Kang Dynasty, while Waldron was Head Writer on Loki before writing Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and Avengers: Secret Wars

Feige had so much faith in Waldron that he teamed with him for a Star Wars movie that never happened and even got him to replace Loveness on The Kang Dynasty. However, things have since changed and Waldron's time in the MCU appears to be over. 

Despite Loki receiving widespread critical acclaim, it's believed season 2 Head Writer Eric Martin played a much bigger role in that first batch of episodes than originally reported. Meanwhile, fans turned on Waldron for how he portrayed the Scarlet Witch in the Doctor Strange sequel.

Elizabeth Olsen has previously confirmed that Waldron "had not seen" WandaVision and now the show's lead creative has shared her thoughts on the Scarlet Witch's descent into villainy while promoting Agatha All Along

Talking to Radio Times, Jac Schaeffer said, "I love Wanda and I love all the characters that I’ve had the privilege of working with; Natasha [in Black Widow], Carol Danvers [in Captain Marvel], everybody. But one of the agreements of being part of the MCU is you're kind of borrowing characters and storylines for a time."

"You get your experience with them, and then things continue, which is one of the wonderful, special things about the MCU. A lot of my friends and colleagues were on that film," she added. "I feel grateful for my time with [Wanda] and just hopeful for more of her in any way that that might happen. And really just more of Lizzie [Olsen] in anything, she’s so spectacular."

Interestingly enough, Olsen appeared to take a shot at Waldron while discussing the Scarlet Witch's possible MCU return.

"I think so. I assume as much," she said when asked if the Avenger is still alive. "Yeah, and there was a red light of explosive energy. I think I'm dead. I would beg to leave a window open. I had so much fun doing these movies. I would like to figure out how to cleverly be undead."

"We need to find the smartest writers to figure out how to make this all make sense. I'm open to ideas," she noted.

Rumour has it Schaeffer will write the Scarlet Witch movie, though we're not expecting that to be released until after Vision and Avengers: Secret Wars are released (so likely in the next Saga which, if the fan theories are accurate, will be the "Mutant Saga").

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DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 9/21/2024, 8:14 AM
With all due respect, there was never anything "divisive" about Wanda's arc, neither in her own show, nor in Strange's sequel. In the former we saw her descent through tragedy into villainy, and in the latter she acted appropriately as such; a villain.

The only thing that can be seen as "divisive" was Monica's nonsensical, baseless, and outright stupid attempt to justify her actions in Westview:

"They'll never know what you sacrificed..."

MY ASSS!

Remove that stupid line, and it all flows like water in a creek.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/21/2024, 8:18 AM
@DrReedRichards - I mean I get Monica’s perspective since she was empathizing with Wanda a bit too much perhaps given her own grief with her mothers passing and not being there for it.

I understood it to an extent from that perspective but yeah , maybe not the best line for it
EZBeast
EZBeast - 9/21/2024, 8:37 AM
@DrReedRichards - think they will try to redeem her or go the "vatient" style path and start again? Her path to becoming a villian seemed to work well enough but I just don't see marvel sticking with it.
DTor91
DTor91 - 9/21/2024, 9:09 AM
@DrReedRichards - There was and still is TONS of divisiveness over Madness.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 9/21/2024, 10:03 AM
@DTor91 -

By those who whined mostly about America's parents, coincidentally enough. And by coincidentally I mean predictably. And by predictably I mean pattern-wise. And by pattern I mean--

I'm sure you can put two and two together.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 9/21/2024, 10:06 AM
@DrReedRichards - Disagree.. respectfully.

WandaVision dabbled with her ethics in holding the town captive and so on, for her to then see the error of her ways by the end and then puts things right...so she redeemed herself in a way.

By the time we get to MoM she no longer cares about who gets hurt.

Some will say it was the dark hold, but I think they tried to say it wasn't...but anyway she killed a bunch of people and then she redeemed herself again in the end.... it didn't line up and just repeated some sorry beats.

MoM would have been better if we didn't already see her go through her arc in WandaVision.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 9/21/2024, 10:09 AM
@Conquistador -

I see what you mean about repeated story beats, but I saw it more as an escalation. In WV, she was like "oops, I messed up, time to hit the road". In Mom, she turned it up to "woah, I royally f#cked up, time to off myself".
Conquistador
Conquistador - 9/21/2024, 10:12 AM
@DrReedRichards - The thing is WV was needed to be seen because if you saw MoM straight after Endgame (her last movie appearance) it also didn't line up... so it contradicts itself in way...it was silly. If they ended WV with her being straight up evil it would have been a much better set up.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 9/21/2024, 10:18 AM
@Conquistador -

I don't disagree that WV was necessary material before MoM, but I also don't see how it's a negative. Same way someone couldn't watch Cap 3 without watching Avengers 2, which is the case with most MCU sequels.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 9/21/2024, 10:41 AM
@DrReedRichards - Ok I think you misunderstood what I meant..

It was needed in the way to see her journey...but that journey/arc already had her delve into madness, being shown her errors and eventual redemption...

MoM had her going into madness again off the jump, escalated into her being a murderer and then eventual redemption again.. so it was a missed opportunity to tell a different story from what we already saw.

I just hope if they bring her back it will be in a useful way...

For example a great way and a spin on the comics...instead of "no more mutants" she actually give birth (for lack of a better phrase) to them in the MCU on a wider scale.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 9/21/2024, 1:34 PM
@DrReedRichards - nah she was written to completely undo the resolution of her arc in Wandavision. Olsen is on point. Her story in Doc 2 was awful and I don't blame Derrickson for walking.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 9/21/2024, 2:09 PM
@McMurdo -
@DrReedRichards -

Not completely undo the resolution to me, because the resolution wasn't well done to me, but I do think it's inconsistent with what I think the ending was trying to do and did so in a cheap and non character based way.
Franshu
Franshu - 9/21/2024, 2:11 PM
@DrReedRichards - 100% agree. In fact, if they removed some of that (weak) attempt at redeeming her from the end of Wandavision, the whole arc would not only make perfect sense but also be incredibly tragic-- and possibly one of Marvel's best. A shame, really, that the screenwriters wouldn't just talk to avoid that single misstep that made the whole thing borderline stupid.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 9/21/2024, 4:53 PM
@McMurdo -

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"We need to find the smartest writers to figure out how to make this all make sense. I'm open to ideas,"



🙄😐🤔
Me: "OK Google

Who was the original writer for Dr. Strange MoM?"

Miller's Girl writer Jade [Halley Bartlett recently reflected on her year-long experience at Marvel Studios writing the original screenplay for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness.]

"There are two versions. There's the Raimi, Michael Waldron version, which is exquisite, and I love both of them. Then, I was with Scott Derrickson. We developed it for about a year in the room with Kevin [Feige] and Eric [Hauserman Carroll] and Lou [D'Esposito] and Richie [Palmer]," the screenwriter added. "It was Scott and it was really exciting and it was really fun. I still cannot believe I got that job. I don't know how I got that job. I did get the job. We had a whole draft, and then of course the pandemic happened, which was a nightmare."


I'm thinking they went for the "yes Man", instead of the best Man. 🪙 🪙
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 9/22/2024, 1:40 AM
@DrReedRichards - "They'll never know what you sacrificed..." Could easily be "We will keep this secret so nobody hates you." But people still remembers and still hate her. Wanda will be like The Punisher. Hated but respected for what they can and will do.
JobinJ
JobinJ - 9/21/2024, 8:28 AM
Leave her dead. She deserved it. Killed lots of people and heroes. Evil.

Unlike Bucky, she was aware of what she was doing.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 9/21/2024, 2:10 PM
@JobinJ - Only God decides who can be redeemed or not in real life.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 9/22/2024, 1:41 AM
@dagenspear - Right because a Christian God will decide what to do with a cosmic power from the first demon of Earth.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/21/2024, 8:47 AM
It’s a nice mindset to have since ultimately , Wanda is one of Marvel’s characters so they can do with her as they wish regardless of how people may feel about it so it makes no sense to have a sense of ownership & outrage over it.

Ultimately , I do have a bit of an issue with Wanda’s villain turn in MOM in that it felt like Wanda had atleast some regret for her actions at the end of WV so to have her already be a villain at the start of the movie was a bit jarring…

However ,. I do think it made sense to a degree aswell since she was still in a somewhat vulnerable mental state at the end of WV that made me buy her being more susceptible to the Darkhold’s corrupting influence.

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Anyway , I still liked MoM overall though!!.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 9/21/2024, 8:48 AM
I know this sounds like a really bad message but... it's okay to be a villain.
And by that I mean that it's okay for characters to be villains.

The best villains are the ones we understand and are sympathetic towards, then seeing them go too far is all the more tragic, all the more compelling and a much stronger morality tale than just generic evil bad guy cackling like a lunatic.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 9/21/2024, 9:06 AM
@ObserverIO - Yup, I always tended to prefer the story arcs of characters who start out villain then move into the grey area or even full hero more than the boy scout who maybe gets tarnished at times like Captain America.

With those villains turned hero it also always makes logical sense they could end up on a path towards villain again and add in influences like brainwashing, or as here magic with the Darkhold or Chthon can easily go far darket than they were when they started out.

Assuming our Wanda does return (rather than recast/reboot with a Variant) there are ample ways she could remain a villain but be a more sympathetic one like how she started out in AoU or start on a path to full redemption regardless who/how many she killed (only need to reinforce and/or add to how much she was under the influence of an evil book/being).

It just remains to be seen how they handle it narratively and if they can satisfactoraly pull it off to the satisfaction of the majority of the GA.
DTor91
DTor91 - 9/21/2024, 9:16 AM
@ObserverIO - Yes, but the problem is and always has been that a lot of the plot points of Strange just feels redundant as a result, and a huge piece of the puzzle is missing. If you saw WandaVision, it expects you to infer what happened in between. A scene of her reading the Darkhold just isn’t enough. And more so, repeating the idea of Wanda being at fault for a fourth time…again redundant. Built up an entire series to justify “earning” the Scarlet Witch name and then straight on villain in an instant. If you’re someone who never saw WandaVision, all of a sudden the character you knew as mostly a hero is a full on villain out of nowhere. If there was a gradual slip into villainy in Strange, I’m certain it would have been far better received.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 9/21/2024, 9:19 AM
I just wish Strange got his OWN MOVIE, the fact that they made it a Wanda movie with him as a side character is just wrong. What was his purpose there? His story arc was meaningless, the movie was meaningless and tame af for being a "multiverse" movie. Mid
Typhoon20
Typhoon20 - 9/21/2024, 1:02 PM
@bobevanz - Every time someone mentions this im internally screaming PREACH BROTHER.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 9/21/2024, 1:37 PM
@bobevanz - not to mention they botched his character in Spidey 3 by having him break all of reality for a 12 year old.
HulkisHoly
HulkisHoly - 9/22/2024, 10:56 AM
@bobevanz -

Plain and simple—-Wanda shouldn’t have been the “villain” of strange 2. It wasn’t the original plan and the writing shows.
Fares
Fares - 9/21/2024, 9:58 AM
That's the right thing to say in his position regardless of what he truly thinks. Gotta be a team player.
elcapitan
elcapitan - 9/21/2024, 10:09 AM
Olsen herself said she’d be interested in a story based on House of M. Clearly, that would make the most sense for a Scarlet Witch movie taking place in the Mutant Saga.
NickScryer
NickScryer - 9/21/2024, 10:15 AM
Doctor Strange MoM script was so bad that even Raimi couldn't turn it into a good movie.
Razorface1
Razorface1 - 9/21/2024, 11:30 PM
@NickScryer - Oh yeah, because his movies are so good...
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 9/21/2024, 10:34 AM
i just want more lizzie olsen, plain and simple
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 9/21/2024, 12:07 PM
Wanda is absolutely reviled by an entire species in the comics after M-Day. At least in the MCU, it’s only a town and a few wizards. But it’s a canon event all the same. Fans literally asked for her descent into madness the moment she made her debut, and they got it.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 9/21/2024, 2:12 PM
@FireandBlood - It's not a descent into madness, to me, it's evil book make her evil and crazy.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 9/21/2024, 2:23 PM
@dagenspear - And what lead to her to taking up the Darkhold? Think. Here, I’ll even give you a clue…

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dagenspear
dagenspear - 9/21/2024, 8:19 PM
@FireandBlood - But that's not why she went bad. An evil book made her bad.
Typhoon20
Typhoon20 - 9/21/2024, 1:00 PM
Anyone else put off by her remarks? I was like YIKES reading them. She talks like she owns Disney lol and the way she shat on the previous writer, I mean I disliked that writer as well but you have to be more classy in how you pick your words. Pretty much insinuating that Waldron is a dumb writer is quite rude. This from a DS fan who REALLY hated DS2 and its script.

Wanda should NOT have hijacked Dr Stranges movie. She should have had her own solo movie, which she's going to anyway. So why F over Dr Strange like this.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 9/21/2024, 1:38 PM
@Typhoon20 - Waldron is a dumb writer. It's a breath of fresh air...she's being honest.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 9/21/2024, 1:39 PM

I want Ms. Olsen back. I want to see her all entangled in Secret Wars and dealing Mephisto and Dr. Strange in the future.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 9/21/2024, 2:05 PM
WandaVision kinda crippled the character to me, with what I think is, more than not, a protagonist centered morality story. But DS 2 basically just gave up on the character even really making sense to me, structure wise.
philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 9/21/2024, 6:16 PM
Olsen’s quote in no way sounded like she was “taking a shot”.
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