THE ACOLYTE Showrunner On Whether [SPOILER] Really Died In Latest Episode And What The Sith Are Really Up To

THE ACOLYTE Showrunner On Whether [SPOILER] Really Died In Latest Episode And What The Sith Are Really Up To

The Acolyte showrunner Leslye Headland has talked more about the show's latest episode, explaining whether Indara meant to kill Mae and Osha's coven and what the Sith are really after at this point...

By JoshWilding - Jul 12, 2024 01:07 PM EST
Filed Under: Star Wars
Source: Collider (via SFFGazette.com)

It's become clear in recent weeks that The Acolyte, while not the disaster some hoped, has made some missteps. A second season is far from guaranteed as we write this and it's starting to feel like the show will leave us with a long list of unanswered questions, many of which will no doubt be addressed in future books and comics.

In that sense, it feels like the sequels all over again; now, though, showrunner Leslye Headland has finally elaborated on what The Acolyte's mysterious Sith villains want during this High Republic Era.

"As we started to break it out and started to think about, 'If I'm a Sith living in hiding during this period,' and what I know about Sith from watching the prequels, as well as the sequels, what is the holy grail for the Sith?" she told Collider (via SFFGazete.com). "Not what do they quote want because I think that differs from Sith to Sith, but at this point in time, what would they be desperate for?"

"And I think it's the ability to create life. They're desperate for that. It's their ticket to being able to have a power that the Jedi we know do not have. They are looking for the atomic bomb," Headland continued. "[Mae and Osha] are not the Manhattan Project, but they're probably those early tests or lectures that were happening. That's where that power is right now. Theoretically, this could work."

The Stranger has said he seeks an "Acolyte," but these comments suggest the villain and his Master have grander plans for Mae and Osha. Presumably, the Sith do eventually figure out how to create life, explaining Anakin Skywalker's birth in the prequels. 

Elsewhere in the interview, Headland was asked whether Indara intentionally killed the witches on Brendok when she freed Kelnacca from their control.

"They're dead," she confirmed. "I would leave it up to interpretation in terms of whether Indara knocked them out and then they were part of the larger fire or disaster that occurred to them...In my opinion, it's a very risky decision because she's messing with something she doesn't understand."

When the interviewer put it to Headland that she felt the Jedi killed them without realising what she was doing, she added, "They are dead, but I would say it's up to interpretation. My personal thing is that I felt that it tracked that, exactly what you said."

Many fans have also been critical of the latest episode's explanation for why Torbin chose to take The Barash Vow before willingly killing himself when Mae confronted him. To that, the showrunner said it boils down to the Jedi being "so guilt-ridden."

"He made a really stupid mistake, and it was a mistake with horrible consequences. He really was the match that lit that entire thing," Headland continued. "I think that it's a natural thing for him to take the Barash Vow and say, 'I’ve just got to atone for this thing. If the decision is that we're not going to get right with the council, then I gotta do something.' And that's the thing, all three of them do something."

It's never good when so much of a movie or TV series needs to be explained after the fact in interviews like these and there are clearly some gaps in the writing. Still, the show will either live or die on how things play out in the season finale. 

The final episode of The Acolyte arrives on Disney+ next Tuesday. 

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AnthonyVonGeek
AnthonyVonGeek - 7/12/2024, 1:34 PM
I stopped watching this show with episode 5. It’s basically a really badly written fan fiction by someone that’s never watched or liked Star Wars. Thankfully I’ve been watching it for free cause if I paid I’d be mad at the joke of a show that Harvey Weinsteins assistant has made.
TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 7/12/2024, 1:36 PM
Shows like this give me hope. Hope that I can write professionally one day, if THIS is the quality of product they accept in the business, I honestly think I could do at least as horrible a job as these hacks.
Origame
Origame - 7/12/2024, 1:36 PM
First of all, wow Josh. Can't even admit this series is a disaster? Even grace Randolph said this series was awful after the last episode.

Second, oh my God. I just realized how this series is gonna end. She calls the twins the "first experiment" in her explanation for why anakin is stronger, implying anakin is the final experiment. The darth maul witch is basically confirmed to still be alive. And the mother predicted the fall of the jedi. So I predict the darth maul witch ends up meeting qimir, tells him about how the witches were created, and they basically State they're gonna create anakin to destroy the jedi.

Tl;dr, it'll be revealed the creation of anakin, and by extension the events of all of the movies, is the result of the last witch trying to get revenge. Ffs.
philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 7/12/2024, 1:38 PM
@Origame - holy shit!!!! Grace Randolph?!?!?!??

Well, F***, that changes everything.
Origame
Origame - 7/12/2024, 1:39 PM
Also, wait, why was that risky for trinity to do when freeing the wookie? How's she supposed to guess that freeing him from mind control will kill all the witches participating? Wasn't it risky for the witches to collectively pull a move that can kill them all if the jedi do the obvious course of action?
Origame
Origame - 7/12/2024, 1:40 PM
@philinterrupted - I mean, kinda does. She's been shilling everything associated with disney star wars. The fact she had to admit it was bad, and even used the term awful to describe it, says a lot.
AnthonyVonGeek
AnthonyVonGeek - 7/12/2024, 1:44 PM
@Origame - me when I hear Grace Randolph’s shrieking voice.
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Origame
Origame - 7/12/2024, 1:53 PM
@AnthonyVonGeek - yes, she is awful.
philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 7/12/2024, 1:36 PM
Who’s “we”, Josh? You’re the one writing the article. Nobody else is listed as the writer.
MrDandy
MrDandy - 7/12/2024, 1:39 PM
All the reveals in episode 7 were exceptionally stupid and most fan theories had come up with better ideas for what happened.
Origame
Origame - 7/12/2024, 1:43 PM
@MrDandy - I liked how everyone thought there had to be something else going on with the fire, because obviously stone can't catch on fire. But then the episode came out and all that was different is Mae did it by accident. Yeah, no deeper mystery there. The witches just apparently made their whole fortress with stone more flammable than wood. 🤣
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 7/12/2024, 1:48 PM
@MrDandy - this SHOW and WRITER/DRIECTOR is exceptionally stupid. Any SW fan could of written a better show than this. What a huge f*cking letdown and a joke. Making SW look worse and worse. Oooof
AlexGSpeaks
AlexGSpeaks - 7/12/2024, 4:36 PM
@Origame - It was clearly an electrical fire since we literally saw the sparks inside the door control panel. Electrical fires spread in both directions which makes them spread fast and difficult to put out. The fire spread through the wiring running through the entire structure hence the explosion Indara saw on her way in. The exterior of the stone was on fire as well as the interior.
Origame
Origame - 7/12/2024, 4:41 PM
@AlexGSpeaks - does it also make stone catch on fire? 🤣
AlexGSpeaks
AlexGSpeaks - 7/12/2024, 4:52 PM
@Origame - per the fire department: Stone suffers under the effects of fire and is prone to disintegration when suddenly cooled. Based on the specific type of stone, the exothermic reactions can vary greatly. For example, granite explodes when exposed to heat – and therefore requires extensive risk management when used as a construction material.

Also this is an alien planet with a completely different ecosphere, so what makes you think this is earth-based stone?
Origame
Origame - 7/12/2024, 4:58 PM
@AlexGSpeaks - 1) no one is talking about stone suddenly being cooled. We're talking about stone catching on fire, which is required for this to make sense.

2) doesn't matter if it's an alien planet. For stuff like this to make sense we have to use some level of knowledge from the real world. So either it's basically stone or they're idiots for building their whole fortress out of a flammable substance.

3) this is basically earth dude.
AlexGSpeaks
AlexGSpeaks - 7/12/2024, 7:46 PM
@Origame - A: point is certain stones can catch fire depending on what it's mineral composition is made out of. Also stone can melt or fracture in cases of high heat which a fire is.

B: us human build our homes out of wood and 1000 other flammable materials and then lit fires inside them everyday in our kitchens and fireplaces. Guess we are idiots for building our homes out of a flammable substance.

C: and man, why are watching this show if you hate it so much?
Origame
Origame - 7/12/2024, 8:40 PM
@AlexGSpeaks - A: yeah, but we don't make buildings out of those kind of stones for obvious reasons. Are you saying the witches are idiots? I can accept that.

As for high heats, that's certainly not gonna be to the level of a lamp designed for light specifically.

B: Yeah, but we have several fire safety protocols in place so it's not just gonna instantly catch on fire like it did here from a girl setting a book on fire. Not to mention the stone equivalents we most likely use for building houses are brick and concrete, which require at least a temperature of 1200 degrees F to break, not catch fire (because that doesn't happen)

C: I don't. I'm never giving Disney my money again.
AlexGSpeaks
AlexGSpeaks - 7/13/2024, 12:16 AM
@Origame - oh, so your opinion holds zero weight since you don't actually watch the show. Instead you just regurgitate narratives made by others and pretend you came to those conclusions yourself. Good to know.
Origame
Origame - 7/13/2024, 7:40 AM
@AlexGSpeaks - I don't need to watch the show to tell you stone doesn't spread fire my dude 🤣
AlexGSpeaks
AlexGSpeaks - 7/13/2024, 11:41 AM
@Origame - how would you know how the fire spread? You didn't even watch the show. Stop pretending you know the intricacies and details of a scene you didn't even bother to watch. Either stop being a phony and develop your own firsthand opinion or stick to media you actually watch. I'm done with you on this.
Origame
Origame - 7/13/2024, 12:44 PM
@AlexGSpeaks - the videos I watched provided unedited clips. That's how.

The fire started in the corner next to a metal door and a stone wall while on a stone floor with no carpet. There's no way it could've completely spread all over the door, much less the entire fortress.
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 7/12/2024, 2:10 PM
"It's become clear in recent weeks that The Acolyte, while not the disaster some hoped, has made some missteps."

Come on @JoshWilding... This is written so poorly, the events are so contrived, the misuse of flashbacks ...again, the lack of any character growth or arc in this series. Its basically a retelling on one historical event surrounded by filler.

When the interviewer put it to Headland that she felt the Jedi killed them without realising what she was doing, she added, "They are dead, but I would say it's up to interpretation. My personal thing is that I felt that it tracked that, exactly what you said."

Is she kidding me? It's open to interpretation? The witches united and mind raped the wookie who then attacked the Jedi. How is Indara at fault? She was breaking the witches control because the witches are EVIL.

"I would leave it up to interpretation in terms of whether Indara knocked them out and then they were part of the larger fire or disaster that occurred to them...In my opinion, it's a very risky decision because she's messing with something she doesn't understand."

FN idiot, they were being attacked. She wasn't messing with something she doesn't understand. The entire Coven attacked the Jedi. Including both mothers.

1) If Mother Aniseya was going to hand over Osha, why does she turn into a spectre monsters
2) Why does she (assumingly) start turning Mae into mist?
3) Why do the Jedi immedietly resort to lying?
4) How does Indara know what happened when she wasn't there but on the ship already?
5) How come an x-wing can find signs of life and detect systems but an entire Jedi team is wandering around a planet not know about a huge freaking occupied base (which is also a mining facility?
6) Why can't a Jedi master hold up 2 parts of a bridge or better yet, why didnt he just force grab 2, 40 pound girls instead of letting one die?
7) If the girls aren't twins but are one person split, why do the young girls look different?
8) Why is Sol so attached to Osha?

The lying to the counsil, lying to Osha and this 16 year guilt trip is contrived because the point of the show is to make the Jedi guilty but this idiot writer isn't clever enough to do it. Shes too preoccupied with shirtless, contrived romance while flipping character motivations on a dime. Seven episodes in and we dont know a thing about any of these characters.

What is this writers obsession with making the Sith sympathetic? She shows now examples of them being oppressed and the writer basically makes the Jedi justified by saying:

"And I think it's the ability to create life. They're desperate for that. It's their ticket to being able to have a power that the Jedi we know do not have. They are looking for the atomic bomb," Headland continued. "[Mae and Osha] are not the Manhattan Project, but they're probably those early tests or lectures that were happening.

1) Why are they looking to create life?
2) Why is that so important?
3) Given the plot, how would this give them an advantage over the Jedi or help them achieve their goals?

Thats right, they have no god damn goals. They are just victims. This show is RIDICULOUS.
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 7/12/2024, 2:37 PM
@CreateNowSlpL8r -

1) If Mother Aniseya was going to hand over Osha, why does she turn into a spectre monsters
Since Koril used it to escape, Aniseya was probably trying to doing the same thing.

2) Why does she (assumingly) start turning Mae into mist?
Presumably to help her escape, too.

3) Why do the Jedi immedietly resort to lying?
It felt a lot like a Vietnam-war narrative to me, like My Lai. A group of warriors, stuck, isolated, going a little crazy (as Torbin clearly is.) Things get out of hand, they end up taking out an entire village of people, and they resolve to lie about it to cover everyone's asses out of a sense of esprit de corps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre#Investigation_and_cover-up

4) How does Indara know what happened when she wasn't there but on the ship already?
The screen goes black between Sol saving Osha and cutting to the ship in hyperspace. Time passed. They might have talked about it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

5) How come an x-wing can find signs of life and detect systems but an entire Jedi team is wandering around a planet not know about a huge freaking occupied base (which is also a mining facility?
This is 130 years BBY. Technology can improve during that time. Also, why would they be looking for sentient populations on a planet that had been, until recently, completely devoid of life?

6) Why can't a Jedi master hold up 2 parts of a bridge or better yet, why didnt he just force grab 2, 40 pound girls instead of letting one die?
Using the force to lift heavy objects requires extreme concentration, which is hard when everything's on fire and blowing up and rocks are falling all over the place. Also, I kinda got the impression that he let Mae fall on purpose. I suspect there's more to Sol than we've seen so far.

7) If the girls aren't twins but are one person split, why do the young girls look different?
They likely couldn't find identical twins with the exact look they were looking for, so they got as close as they could. It has nothing to do with the plot. Since Mae and Osha are rarely in the same scene together as adults, they could easily use the same actress. With the younger versions, they're in almost every scene together. It would have been prohibitively expensive and time consuming to shoot every setup twice with a costume/makeup change.

8) Why is Sol so attached to Osha?
Can't wait to find out in the episode that's left!

1) Why are they looking to create life?
"They're desperate for that. It's their ticket to being able to have a power that the Jedi we know do not have."

2) Why is that so important?
"It's their ticket to being able to have a power that the Jedi we know do not have."

3) Given the plot, how would this give them an advantage over the Jedi or help them achieve their goals?
In Legends, Palpatine and Plageuis created Anakin to fulfill a Sith prophecy. Since Headland is pulling heavily from Legends, it probably has something to do with that.

Now I have a question: If you hate this show so much, why are you wasting hours of your life watching it every week and then complaining about it on the internet? I (or someone whose taste you trust) could recommend some other shows you might like.
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 7/12/2024, 2:41 PM
@CreateNowSlpL8r - Oops, missed one:

"What is this writers obsession with making the Sith sympathetic?"

She's trying to make it convincing that Osha could fall under the sway of someone who she just watched kill a bunch of her friends. Just like Palpatine lured Anakin in with kindness.
abd00bie
abd00bie - 7/12/2024, 2:56 PM
@clintthahamster - LMAOOOO I didn't even notice they are not played by twins or the same actress LMAOOO
Origame
Origame - 7/12/2024, 8:45 PM
@abd00bie - If you hear her reasoning, pretty worrisome. Like, Leslye apparently can't tell these black kids apart.
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 7/12/2024, 9:34 PM
@clintthahamster - "Now I have a question: If you hate this show so much, why are you wasting hours of your life watching it every week and then complaining about it on the internet? I (or someone whose taste you trust) could recommend some other shows you might like."

To counter the argument that you also tried to make screencapping posts that the show is actually good but everyone just hates it ...for reasons...

Your replies also make no sense. They make no sense because none of the answers you provided are based on the actual narrative. They are your opinion.

Vietnam? They didnt go crazy and take out anyone. The result of Indara forcing the witches out of the wookies head seemingly kills them. You omit the writers quote, which I included where she says its open to interpretation.

A Jedi master obsessed with the Twins now can't hold up metal? Ok, grab the twins directly. Why the hell does he dive bomb to physically grab Osha?

The entire Myst thing is contrived. If she was going to give up Osha, why would either of them have to escape? The Jedi aren't murderers and the witches clearly know enough about them to know that. She could have literally just stopped and told Sol that. Instead, the plot has to have this contrived scene to try and show Sol is wrong ...He's not.

"It's their ticket to being able to have a power that the Jedi we know do not have." Really, where did they cover that in the plot? Seems to me, its more two mothers protecting their uh, daughters. Its a good point though, glad you brought it up. Maybe instead of improperly using flashbacks, we could have gotten some backstory to confirm your theory.

1) Why do the witches think the galaxy doesn't like people "like them."
2) Do they mean Sith? Uh, yeah, because they are evil.
3) Maybe we could have shown, not tell these acts of oppression. If they were so oppressed, how did they escapa unnoticed and live a perfectly fine life without persecution?
4) They Jedi only seems concerned about the girls because they are a vergence. Its not like they came in, told the council they found them and wiped them out just because.

"In Legends, Palpatine and Plageuis created Anakin" Let me stop you right there. If you are confirming they shit on Anakin being special, I hate it just because of that. Second, if the audience has to read Legends which happen 100 years later or whatever to understand this story, the writing has failed."

I'll say it again. You can like it but the writing it objectively terrible. It follow no established storytelling framework. It fails to tell even the basics of a character arc. It reeks of an amateur. Amateur writers often tell a story like this.

this happens
then that happens
then this happens

They misuse things like prologs and flashbacks because they haven't learned the complex art of storytelling. This is why three act structure, the story circle, and heroes jounrney exist. This is why you learn how to tell dialog with multiple characters on-screen so you avoid headhopping. That way, you don't lost the POV of the main character. Thats how the story should unfold, you are seeing it from the POV of usually your protagonist but this idiot writer doesn't know who the protagonist is because they keep flipping motivations.

You get it now? Thats it. Thats the answer.
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 7/12/2024, 10:07 PM
@CreateNowSlpL8r - Not gonna read all that. I'll just keep on enjoying life! Enjoy watching shows you don't like!
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 7/12/2024, 11:49 PM
@clintthahamster - Of course you won't. You can stop @'ing me and I will stop clapping you.
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