VENOM: LET THERE BE CARNAGE VFX Supervisor Reveals Carnage Inspiration And Scene That Had To Be Toned Down

VENOM: LET THERE BE CARNAGE VFX Supervisor Reveals Carnage Inspiration And Scene That Had To Be Toned Down

Venom: Let There Be Carnage VFX Supervisor Sheena Duggal has spoken about what inspired Carnage's movements in the sequel, while also revealing which scene had to be toned down because it was too violent.

By JoshWilding - Oct 05, 2021 01:10 PM EST
Source: Variety

Venom: Let There Be Carnage is PG-13, and while it certainly pushes the boundaries of that rating, the sequel isn't exactly the gore-fest some comic book fans were hoping for. One key scene sees Cletus Kasady use his symbiote to murder a prison guard...by sticking his tongue down the guy's throat!

It's a brutal moment, but one that actually ended up being toned down for the finished product according to VFX Supervisor Sheena Duggal. 

"We had to tone that back a bit," she tells Variety"He does it with a tentacle [in the comics], but I thought it would be fun to have him use his tongue to add that extra gruesome element." Interestingly, the trade notes that the sequel was ultimately "toned down considerably" for the big screen; here's hoping theories about an R-Rated extended cut of the movie prove to be correct, eh?

In the same interview, Duggal explained her approach to portraying the tentacles Carnage uses, revealing a surprising source of inspiration. "The way a scorpion moves its tail behind its head and moves it forward in this threatening way, I thought, ‘Let’s do that with Carnage.’"

The VFX head also confirmed one key difference between Venom and Carnage that could be key in the latter returning to the franchise somewhere down the line. "He’s just a host inside him," Duggan revealed. "Carnage is birthed inside of Cletus, and they share the same DNA."

Something tells us we haven't seen the last of Carnage, and it's definitely interesting to get these insights into how he was brought to life on the big screen. The full interview is well worth checking out, but make sure you come back here tomorrow as we're finally able to share out chat with director Andy Serkis.

Venom: Let There Be Carnage is now playing in theaters.

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abd00bie
abd00bie - 10/5/2021, 1:08 PM
Bloodless Carnage.. Sadge
UncleHarm1
UncleHarm1 - 10/5/2021, 3:21 PM
@abd00bie - Why are you guys so obsessed with blood?? The only good reason to make it R rated would be to explore darker themes, like Logan did. But Logan only made money because it was made cheaply, not enough budget to make an alien symbiote with CGI. If they made an R rated Venom it would be a guy in a padded suit, or it would be so expensive it would flop and they'd never make another one.
ComicBookPsycho
ComicBookPsycho - 10/5/2021, 3:25 PM
@UncleHarm1 - Because it looks awkward and weird when he just pushes people around.
UncleHarm1
UncleHarm1 - 10/5/2021, 3:29 PM
@ComicBookPsycho - It does, but it's the only way we're getting a live action Venom it's just business. Unless HBO buys the rights and makes a tv show
UncleHarm1
UncleHarm1 - 10/5/2021, 3:39 PM
@ComicBookPsycho - Everyone wants a proper Venom/Spiderman origin, they want it to be bloody, but what studio would ever make an R-rated Spiderman movie? Look what happened with Joker, people were boycotting the movie because it was "promoting violence" and their kids wanted to see it, and that was without Batman even being in it.
noahthegrand
noahthegrand - 10/5/2021, 4:44 PM
@Waddles - I assume the carnage is there, just off screen
KWilly
KWilly - 10/5/2021, 1:19 PM
It's funny... Spider-Man 1's final battle with Goblin was way more brutal than anything Venom 2 had.
PapaSpank54
PapaSpank54 - 10/5/2021, 1:21 PM
@KWilly - aw man, what a choice fight. Spider-Man is still my favorite of the Raimi trilogy and one of my favorite CBMs.
PapaSpank54
PapaSpank54 - 10/5/2021, 1:20 PM
Man I'm still irritated Carnage has a tongue. It's not a huge stretch or anything but... Carnage doesn't have a [frick]ing tongue, man. Come on.
Still hoping to catch this in the theater but it's still pretty heavily sold out most times I'd be available. Something is wrong with this state, I swear.
MahN166A
MahN166A - 10/5/2021, 1:23 PM
There was actually an extended version of the Carnage jail break seen that she failed to mention.

AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 10/5/2021, 1:38 PM
Carnage looked terrible. His CGI was dated AF. Venom looked great though.




Ha1frican
Ha1frican - 10/5/2021, 2:00 PM
@AmazingFILMporg - I think some shots looked great and then some had that really obvious low light to hide what it looked like like the prison escape scene
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 10/5/2021, 1:49 PM
So Carnage is part of Cletus, yet they can't really work together? Odd
MCUKnight11
MCUKnight11 - 10/5/2021, 1:57 PM
You know what I just realized. As much of a bummer it is that this Venom may be in the MCU I did think of one benefit. More Kevin Feige memes!
dragon316
dragon316 - 10/5/2021, 2:21 PM
@MCUKnight11 - that’s meme looks like gif
Menks123
Menks123 - 10/5/2021, 3:17 PM
I think a lot of CBMs can get away a lot with PG-13, majority actually.

But it's just so weird seeing a Carnage not rated R given his backstory and what kind of person Cletus is.
UncleHarm1
UncleHarm1 - 10/5/2021, 3:26 PM
@Menks123 - R-rated movies don't make nearly as much money, 13-17 year olds are by far the biggest market for comic book movies. As an adult who likes CBM's I would like to see more adult-oriented content but it's not made for me. Just go watch The Boys and hope someday Disney+ decides to go that route someday since it's cheaper to make.
Menks123
Menks123 - 10/5/2021, 3:36 PM
@UncleHarm1 - No I totally get that, but still feel like this would have done well even if it was rated R. Since the original did well, so people would still go.

Like I said, not everything needs to be hyper violent and shit for a CBM just for shock value, PG-13 can get away with A LOT and be adult oriented. I also think, at least in the US, we are so damn prude to sexual stuff and cussing lol.
UncleHarm1
UncleHarm1 - 10/5/2021, 3:43 PM
@Menks123 - Veeeery prudish lol. I totally agree it would be better if they had the flexibility to make it darker and more violent, I just think it's silly that everyone focuses only on the rating. It would also be better if it was just written better. MCU Hulk murders people but nobody complains that there isn't enough blood, he should be squashing folks left and right
noahthegrand
noahthegrand - 10/5/2021, 4:46 PM
I thought this was way better than the first one, and I really enjoyed it. I saw it twice with friends
ThorArms
ThorArms - 10/5/2021, 5:48 PM
The Carnage look was good, but they wasted him and the cgi felt fake and hollow
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