Director Of Fox's Worst X-MEN Movie Has Some Advice For Marvel Studios Ahead Of Planned Reboot

Director Of Fox's Worst X-MEN Movie Has Some Advice For Marvel Studios Ahead Of Planned Reboot

Well, this should give Kevin Feige a laugh! Simon Kinberg, the writer of X-Men: The Last Stand and director of Dark Phoenix, believes he has some advice for Marvel Studios ahead of their planned reboot...

By JoshWilding - Oct 25, 2023 05:10 AM EST
Filed Under: X-Men
Source: Slash Film

Simon Kinberg has an interesting history with Marvel properties. He wrote X-Men: The Last Stand for Brett Ratner, dropping the ball on two comic book storylines - "The Dark Phoenix Saga" and "The Cure" - in a single movie. 

He later penned X-Men: Days of Future Past for Bryan Singer and, while that movie wasn't exactly comic-accurate, it was well-received. However, he'd follow it with X-Men: Apocalypse and then stepped behind the camera to direct Dark Phoenix, the franchise's worst-reviewed movie. 

Oh, and he was in charge of the disastrous reshoots which doomed Fantastic Four in 2015. 

Does any of that make you think Kinberg should be dishing out advice to Marvel Studios for its planned X-Men reboot? 

"If I had one piece of advice, honestly, it is a very cliché thing, but it just is true: The strength of the 'X-Men' is the characters," the writer recently told Slash Film. "As much as there's great storytelling and great plot and incredible action sequences and all of those things are going to be required of the movies, as they are in the comics, what sets, for me, the 'X-Men' apart is that they are the richest collection of characters in any comic book ever."

The irony here is that Kinberg repeatedly failed the franchise's characters, failing to do the likes of Cyclops, Jean Grey, and Mystique justice on screen. Magneto, for example, flipped back and forth between hero and villain, changing allegiances simply to suit whatever story was being told. 

Regardless, he'd go on to say, "It's really about the characters that will get you the best actors. Those actors will bring those characters to life in a whole new way that honestly I cannot wait to see. I really am such a fan of what Marvel does and I'm obviously a massive, massive fan of the 'X-Men.'"

"Like the 'Star Wars' movies. I read two comics when I was growing up religiously. I read others, but the religious ones were for me, 'Batman' and 'X-Men.'"

Kinberg also revealed that Feige was the one tasked with calling him when X-Men: The Last Stand needed a new writer. While he describes the upcoming reboot as a "full circle" moment, something tells us the phone won't be ringing again now Marvel Studios is searching for a scribe to reinvent these characters. 

Do you think Kinberg has earned the right to share his X-Men advice with Marvel Studios?

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Polaris
Polaris - 10/25/2023, 5:54 AM
Lmao what a brilliant headline
RolandD
RolandD - 10/25/2023, 5:55 AM
Thank goodness he was at least kept away from his other favorite, Batman.
Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 10/25/2023, 6:20 AM
its his first name noshit and second sherlock?
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 10/25/2023, 6:22 AM
Ah yea, loved how much of a character Jean and Scott and Storm were in the films he was involved in.
Fogs
Fogs - 10/25/2023, 6:38 AM
@WakandanQueen - Exactly. A classic "do as I say, not as I do" situation.
TheDpool
TheDpool - 10/25/2023, 6:34 AM
My advice would be, don't listen to this guy.

Give us as close to the original line up as you can, make Cyclops the leader and central character. Don't fill the school with students, don't go down the Magneto and Wolverine centered storylines every movie.
Origame
Origame - 10/25/2023, 9:26 AM
@TheDpool - ...so you're saying don't focus on the characters?
Goldboink
Goldboink - 10/25/2023, 11:49 AM
@TheDpool - Nobody has been given more chances to suck than Kinberg, who is a true hack. Some of the worst movies that could be made.
TheDpool
TheDpool - 10/25/2023, 4:52 PM
@Origame - when did I say that?
Origame
Origame - 10/25/2023, 7:19 PM
@TheDpool - ...when you said don't listen to him, because he said in the article to focus on the characters.
TheDpool
TheDpool - 10/26/2023, 6:16 AM
@Origame - haha, and considering each movie focuses on like three characters and let the rest flay about.
Origame
Origame - 10/26/2023, 6:49 AM
@TheDpool - I mean, this is just moving the goal post. First it was don't listen to him, now it's he isn't following his own advice.
99OPTIMISTPRIME
99OPTIMISTPRIME - 10/25/2023, 6:42 AM
I wonder if he was the one who wrote the fake Storm script, that was sent to Halle Berry.
Tasmaniac
Tasmaniac - 10/25/2023, 6:42 AM
This guy ruined the X-Men movies. Tell him to piss off.
micvalpro
micvalpro - 10/25/2023, 6:47 AM
As a first time director I think he did a great job. The movie wasn’t a good X-men movie but if it was something else, I’d be fine to say it was a decent movie. That train fight at the end was a last minute reshoot and it’s pretty good for something shot last minute.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 10/25/2023, 8:11 AM
@micvalpro - I agree with you here buddy. I'll even go a step further and say the Dark Pheonix movie was more of an Xmen movie that Apocalypse ended up being.

He had a tough time right from the beginning, and also had to get the actors back through renegotiations, budget approvals as first time director and all the mess with the third act.

I think if everything went as originally planned it would have been better recieved. The score was also the best of the xmen movies in my opinion..

Usernametaken
Usernametaken - 10/25/2023, 8:26 AM
@micvalpro - I finally saw Dark Phoenix 3 weeks ago, I don't get the hate.

I watched all X-men movies from X-men to dark phoenix (with the exception of Wolverine Origins and New mutants) and honestly Dark Phoenix is in my top 5.

It's beautifully shot, the CGI and action are great, the story is good, and aesthetically it's the best looking X-men movie, no more Singer's leather and bright colors, and they finally nailed the blue skin tone of Mystique.








It's far superior to Apocalypse or Last Stand, and Xmen and X-2 have aged quite badly to be honest.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 10/25/2023, 8:39 AM
@Usernametaken - tbh they're all pretty mediocre, it's like the shiniest turd
FinnishDude
FinnishDude - 10/25/2023, 6:52 AM
Simon Kinberg is up there with the likes of Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci and Ehren Kruger as "99% of their work sucks, but for some reason studios keep giving them high-profile projects" type of writer.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 10/25/2023, 7:26 AM
but what about dr Michael Morbius?
RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 10/25/2023, 8:37 AM
Simon Kinberg Is literally a joke.
TheShape9859
TheShape9859 - 10/25/2023, 8:43 AM
His advice: "Don't do what I did"
JayTrell
JayTrell - 10/25/2023, 8:47 AM
This about to be a whole book but I won't fault him on everything and him only. We have to also place blame on the producers and exec's because they have the power let it happen or not. I do also think in the X-men situation, it was a different time and they were trying to do something different with superhero movies with marvel characters but there was also some licensing issues as well...hence why they were always in black stupid leather. From what I read once! I think X-men had MOMENTS that were very good. I actually diged X1. I felt certain characters were portrayed to be weaker than their actual comic and cartoon version and some power expression was not up to par, but the MORAL AND EMOTION of the story was there. I did like the relationship they created between Rogue and Wolverine in place of Wolverine and Jubilee. They did a pretty good job with that. I thought Cyclops was portrayed just like he was supposed to be and he was forthcoming as a leader. They didn't do a good job with giving Ororo the same focus as these three and that is where they messed up. You can't not piggy back off of Marvel's most popular individual characters and plus they are part of Marvel's biggest super hero team and one also leads the X-men and provided moral support to all the younger mutants at the mansion; hence Storm and Kitty, Storm and Jubilee, Storm and Ice-Man. Mystique is everything. Rebecca kills her so well.

X2...Nightcrawler was EVERYTHING. The highlight I feel that was one of the best introductions and fighting sequence out of all the X-men movies. What was missing in X1 and X2 i noticed is TEAM fighting. They did not have sequence where they were fighting together piggy backing off one another in a fast/slow sequence so we can see in depth. They continued to focus on power struggle. Though there were very good moments. We felt Jean's struggle with someonething being wrong with her and I'm sorry but Famke plays the hell out of Jean. Ororo's tornado plane fight was amazing for that moment. I also liked her disruption of the falso cerebro room when Professor was taken over. Hugh just does amazing as Wolverine and that was great. I also like the dynamic created between Rogue, Ice Man, Pyro. I was looking for them to go further with this and them doing more of things on their own together...add Jubilee to that list. Rogue needed her additional powers though. I didn't like them making Halle americanize Ororo and stray away from her African heritage...big fail on that.

X3--Just complete trash. Killing of Cyclops was stupid. Jumping to Dark Phoenix before hero Phoenix and didn't even do a good job with it was stupid but famke still does good as Jean/Phoenix. Storm had good moments of power but they couldn't get her flying right and that horrible haircut. Angel intro was not good at all. Rogue did not progress at all. Beast was cool. Nightcrawler just gone

X4--Didn't like it at all. All the X-men were just appeared as weak and couldn't life one finger against one sentinel and they had the nerve to have them fight 1000s. It was just stupid and the omega's like Magneto, Storm, Ice-Man powers were not portrayed accurately to do harm. I think Kitty should have went back instead of Wolverine like in comics but they made every X-men focused on him and they were his supporting characters...big mistake. Not to mention gave him like three solo movies. They had a major hard on for Hugh and they were all in cahoots with each other for sure.

Apocalypse-Dark Phoenix---NO
First Class in my open was just standard.

I think MCU should see the mistake that were made and not repeat it. I don't even know why they bring hugh/wolverine in with Deadpool and I hear some other X-men. This is just keeping that fox version alive which people had to put to bed because they want a total recast and new accurate story. Nevertheless, I hope they do a good job with the X-men.
JayTrell
JayTrell - 10/25/2023, 8:52 AM
@JayTrell - Excuse any typos
narrow290
narrow290 - 10/25/2023, 9:44 AM
He should be flipping burgers after Dark Phoenix
Goldboink
Goldboink - 10/25/2023, 11:54 AM
@narrow290 -
Managing a Jiffy Lube
WeaponXCII
WeaponXCII - 10/25/2023, 10:58 AM
And where was this thought process when he was making these movies?
Saga
Saga - 10/25/2023, 11:14 AM
Well he's right, regardless of his trackrecord i think it's pretty shotty journalism to trash a director just for sharing his harmless opinion.
narrow290
narrow290 - 10/25/2023, 12:04 PM
@Saga - Calling him a director is a stretch. That dude is an enemy to CBM's
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