Problems with X-men: First Class/X-men Films in General

Problems with X-men: First Class/X-men Films in General

Issues I have with the X-men films in general...

Editorial Opinion
By AvariForlorn - Feb 10, 2011 09:02 PM EST
Filed Under: X-Men
Source: popcultjust.blogspot.com

Any fan of the X-men should immediately notice that nothing about this film makes any sense. Especially the age of the characters. The only two characters that look the appropriate age are Charles Xavier and Magneto. Pixie should not be there! She was under the tutelage of Rahne Sinclair, a former member of the New Mutants (who were definitely not around during the founding of the original X-men). Also, why does Emma Frost look older than she did in X-men Origins: Wolverine (I can't even whisper the name of that movie without shuddering) even though this movie takes place decades before? Not to mention almost every member of the X-men seems to be there as adults. So by that logic they are only slightly younger than Magneto and Professor X...

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Wadey09
Wadey09 - 2/10/2011, 9:35 PM
you're comparing this with the continuity of the comics. but this is not the comics. this is a movie. and the film makers have taken a creative license with their own continuity to introduce some new characters the audiences have not seen.
if you're gonna complain about the continuity problems, complain about the continuity between the films not the films and comics. they are entirely separate universes.
Spilox
Spilox - 2/10/2011, 9:36 PM
It's not pixie, it's angel Salvadore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_Salvadore
TDK21
TDK21 - 2/10/2011, 10:45 PM
People have got to learn to separate the films from the comics, I personally see the films as their own universe
TDK21
TDK21 - 2/10/2011, 10:54 PM
People have got to learn to separate the films from the comics, I personally see the films as their own universe
SanDevil77
SanDevil77 - 2/11/2011, 12:19 AM
@tdk21 totally agree just like the raimiverse and nolanverse. it is its own world and story.
Orphix
Orphix - 2/11/2011, 1:54 AM
Absolutely! The X-men Comic Universe and The X-men Movie Universe are seperate things.

Tis so simple.
bgharcourt
bgharcourt - 2/11/2011, 3:52 AM
The Xmen movies are based in earth 10005, where most comics are based in earth 616
SmokinIndo
SmokinIndo - 2/11/2011, 6:07 AM
@Gaston

I don't even think it's necessary to completely disregard Wolverine. The only thing out of continuity in that movie is Emma Frost, and even then all that Fox has to do is say "Oh that's a completely different person." She was never referred to as "Emma Frost" and she looked nothing like her comic book counterpart.
ROBBEATZZZ
ROBBEATZZZ - 2/11/2011, 7:23 AM
yeah she was silver fox's sister..emma/diamond girl..prolly just a nodd of one of the real emma's powers
ROBBEATZZZ
ROBBEATZZZ - 2/11/2011, 7:24 AM
MY SON AND I WILL SEE THIS THO..IN BETWEEN THE OTHER FLICKS WE REALLY WANNA SEE..HEY ITS STILL XMEN!!..THATS HOW I SEE IT
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 2/11/2011, 7:47 AM
like Spilox said, its Angel Salvatore, not Pixie.

He is right though, the continuity in this movie doesn't match the previous x-films.

marvel72
marvel72 - 2/11/2011, 7:55 AM
@ indoraptor12

she was reffered to as emma frost,check this out.

Denn1s
Denn1s - 2/11/2011, 8:57 AM
GUYS FOX STATED THAT EMMA IN ORIGINS IS EMMA'S MOTHER IN FIRST CLASS (AND SUBSEQUENTLY KAYLA'S MOTHER AND WOLVERINE'S MOTHER-IN-LAW).
Exiles
Exiles - 2/11/2011, 9:18 AM
this movies a prequel to singers x-men movie so any other x-men related movie is not valid, so this whole emma frost thing is stupid. The major movie continuity problem is the fact that beast looks normal in X2 but it looks like he mutates in first class now i know beast has used those holo watch things in the comic but i doubt that
Exiles
Exiles - 2/11/2011, 9:35 AM
my biggest problem with this movie is the title and the fact that we'll probably never see the original 5 but if any of you actually expected this movie to have the original 5 then your deluded because the movies line up is different. Plus this is more about the proto x-men and xavier and magneto's origins. You might hate singer and fox but there the ones that started this "superhero" comic book movie renaissance of sorts, now studios are going crazy over super hero movies. Now some of you might be thinking no Blade started well the movie was action flick not a super hero flick(good movie though). After the string of crappy batman movies in the 90's the x-men movie was nice change of things. So hated as much as you want, and god do they deserve the hate but you can't deny the fact that it made major studios takes comic book movies much more seriously.
Denn1s
Denn1s - 2/11/2011, 10:47 AM
guys get real. XMOW is IN continuity. hugh jackman and patrick stewart were in it. it can't be out of continuity.
GarthRanzz
GarthRanzz - 2/11/2011, 12:11 PM
What comic book movie do they get right?

You have Ras Al Ghoul training Batman?

You have Jack Napier killing the Waynes!

You have Nick Fury go from brown haired white guy to Mace Windu?

You have Captain America being the first Avenger when he wasn't even an original.

You have Spiderman with ingrown webshooters.

You have David Banner.

I thought Daredevil was pretty true. Yet, most people pan the film.
loum410
loum410 - 2/11/2011, 3:10 PM
@Garthranzz they based nick fury off of the ultimates version and captain america IS an original avenger
AvariForlorn
AvariForlorn - 2/11/2011, 9:05 PM
More than anything else, I appreciate everyone taking the time to read it. I understand that most will dissagree with me, but thats okay. However, I stand by my point of view. Doesn't anyone WANT to see CBMs stay true to the characters and worlds they love? Movies like Batman Begins did make some changes, but they were improvements. I guess I should have made that more clear. Batman's origin (as well as that of most DC characters) has been rebooted many times. Fox's efforts just reek of not giving a crap. @pointman I think Iron Man is a great example of a movie that makes necessary changes, but still makes sense and feels like it had some thought put into it. I just think fans should expect more.

Also, I made the point that The X-men movies are just terrible in general, regardless of what universe they belong to. How can anyone deny that they were bad?
Denn1s
Denn1s - 2/12/2011, 4:41 AM
pointman@ in the comics tony was captured in korea, not afghanistan and obadiah killed himself, he wasn't killed by tony. EVERY comicbook movie had changes except for sin city.
AvariForlorn
AvariForlorn - 2/13/2011, 2:45 PM
Responding to someone on Blogspot about me mentioning Scott Pilgrim:

All I can say about Scott Pilgrim is that it never would been finished as soon as it was if Edgar did not encourage and actually give Mr. O'Malley some of his ideas. Lisa was mentioned, the Twins were different because they were the only Japanese twins that fit the part that could be found, but they couldn't speak any English. In my opinion, the changes were improvements. In the books the characters did way too many things that didn't fit, and the plot was so all over the place by the end. Bryan Lee O'Malley is very creative, but it was obvious that he didn't know how to structure a story. I mean that it was flawlessly adapted because it cut out what was not essential to the main story about Scott fighting Ramona's x's. None of the characters did anything that contradicted what they would have done in the books, unlike something like Dave getting together with Katie in Kick-Ass, which was in direct contrast with the original story.

I personally thought the fights involving Roxy and The Twins were much more interesting in the movie. As well as with Gideon. I don't see how anyone would have preferred a giant robot and Gideon all DBZed out.

Lisa and Knives dad are always mentioned when it comes to complaints. Where would they have fit in?! What purpose did they have in the overall story. Same thing with pointless and upsetting things like Ramona cheating on Scott with Roxy. It made all of Scott's efforts seem pointless and the fact that he cheated on her feel much less wrong.
AvariForlorn
AvariForlorn - 2/13/2011, 2:47 PM
They are anonymous but I think it was someone from here...

Anyways, yes I was a little ranty, and out of my mind. It's okay if you guys disagree, I just think adaptations should be compared and contrasted to the source material, and any "alternate universe" excuses are bs. Comparing things to what they are based on is a must, whether or not people agree.
AvariForlorn
AvariForlorn - 2/13/2011, 2:54 PM
@Denn1s yes there are always changes, but in good movies like Iron Man, in my opinion, the changes are done for a constructive purposes that makes sense. Unlike throwing in a bunch of characters in the X-men that are not supposed to be there or in certain circumstances not even being born. Also, even though this is supposed to be a reboot, it's from the same studio, so they have no excuse to have not tried to get it right from from the beginning.
AvariForlorn
AvariForlorn - 2/13/2011, 2:57 PM
Oh well, I've obsessed about it enough. Thanks for the feedback! I'll be sure to right something a bit more positive next time...

Remember my post about Cap? That wasn't so bad.

A nerd just has to vent some times...
GarthRanzz
GarthRanzz - 2/14/2011, 11:31 AM
@loum410....I actually own the early Avengers issues. Cap didn't join until issue 4. You may as well say Green Arrow is an original JLAer. The original Avengers are Wasp, Thor, Iron Man, Ant Man, Hulk and Rick Jones. To claim Cap is first means he would've been apart of the team before these.

And why would they base Nick Fury of an alternate universe version? By that logic, then there should be no reason to complain about the X-men membership.
DaJonny
DaJonny - 10/24/2011, 3:56 PM
A. I don't remember either Pixie or Angel being able to spit fireball.

B. Denn1s I think you have that backwards about the Emma Frost situation

C. What about the fact that they had Cyclops's younger brother in it.

Movies don't always fallow the comics there based off of which sometimes works out. for instanced where was saber tooth in the second and third x-men movies, that bolt of lightning would not have killed him because he has almost the same level regeneration abilities as wolverine, and those two where always fighting, every time Logan turned the corner saber tooth was there. Lets also not forget night crawler who was one of Logan's best friends and sparing partners, only had a small part in X-men 2. And im not even going to start on the so called Gambit they had In Wolverine's revenge.
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