Why the original First Class could not be used in the new movie

Why the original First Class could not be used in the new movie

I would like to address the biggest complaint I have heard about the new X-Men:First Class movie...that the original ‘First Class’ was not used. I would like to make the point that the original class of Cylcops, Jean Grey, Beast, Angel and Iceman could not be used, as the original comic book continuity no longer works.

Editorial Opinion
By Gandalf - Jun 11, 2011 09:06 PM EST
Filed Under: X-Men

For the sake of argument, let assume that the comic book continuity was not already ruined in the first movie by having Angel and Iceman being students rather than established members of the team. I am going to focus on one continuity problem at a time.

I have read on many message boards before the movie was released, ‘this movie is going to suck, why couldn’t they use the ‘real’ first class?’ And afterwards...all the complaints “the movie was good but not having the real first class ruined it for me.’ I am going to argue that there would be even more complaints if the original characters showed up in the new movie. I can hear it now, “how can these characters be in their 30’s in 2001 when they were in their 20’s in 1962!! How does that work??”

Simple...it doesn’t. The continuity from the comic books does not work and had to be changed to make a believable movie timeline.

All of the comic books that are currently being adapted to the big screen were written a long time ago with specific origins for their characters. When updating them to modern day movies, changes have to be made in order for the origins to make sense. Iron Man’s origin was changed from being a prisoner in Vietnam to being a prisoner held by terrorists. This made sense for the movie because if you stuck to ‘cannon’ you would have a very old Tony Stark in 2008. I did not hear many complaints about changing this aspect of the story from fanboys.

Unfortunately, the year of a character’s origin cannot always be so easily changed. For most characters this is not a problem; however, it is essential that Magneto begin his story in a WW2 prison camp. His experience here drives many of the underlying themes in X-Men; segregation, inequality, repression and fear. Also, as very well documented in the movie, this experience forms a large part of Magneto’s motivation for many of his actions and played a huge part in his development into the prominent villain in the X-Men universe. If you started the X-Men saga at any other time it would rob the greatest comic book villain of all-time of his rich and meaningful back-story. As a result, it is essential that the story of Magneto begins in WW2.

There is actually a fairly good continuity between these two ‘sets’ of movies. They may not be faithful to the comics (as I feel it is impossible) but they are reasonably faithful to each other. All of the characters featured in this movie and the original trilogy are reasonable based on the timeline. Magneto starts as a young teen in the late 1940’s and appears in his late twenties/early 30’s in the new movie. The math works for this: 12-15 yrs old + ~15 years = 27-30ish, approximately his age in this movie. You then add another 40 years to bring us to the start of the first X-Men movie and it puts Magneto in his 60’s when this movie takes place, which is reasonable based on his appearance and the age of the actor playing him. The math works here too: 27-30ish + ~40 years = 67-70ish, which could very well be his age in the movie. Xavier, his best friend, is also about the same age and his aging also works from movie to movie.

The other 3 characters appearing in both ‘sets’ of movies, Beast, Mystique and Wolverine, are also chronologically reasonable. Beast appears younger than both Xavier and Magneto in First Class; approximately 5-7 years I am guessing. When he shows up in X3, he is old and retired from being an X-Man and could very easily be in his 60’s based on his appearance and the actor playing him. Mystique’s slower aging process is clearly explained in the movie. Based on this, her age in the original trilogy compared to the prequel is quite reasonable. Wolverine obviously doesn’t age and appears the same in the 60’s as he does in the 2000’s. So the aging of all of the characters who carry across these movies (I have purposely not included Emma Frost, as the Wolverine debacle is for another article) works from a timeline standpoint.

Had the original 5 been introduced as Xavier’s first class of students, this would have presented some major issues within the timeline of the films. The first X-Men movie would not have been very good had it been a team of senior citizens trying to stop Magneto. These characters work best at the age they were presented, a well developed team in their prime. Had they been in First Class and appeared in the first movie as they did, there would have had to be a lot of explanations as to why none of them have aged over the last 40 years. The explanations presented for the characters included in both make sense in relation their powers (i.e. Wolverine and Mystique) but if you had tried to come up with something for everyone it would have got ridiculous.

To summarize my two main points:

You have to keep Magneto’s origin in WW2; his and Charles friendship and polarizing viewpoints are at the centre of the entire X-Men universe, and their contrasting approaches to human/mutant relations are solidified by Magnetos time in a concentration camp.

You cannot make a modern day X-Men movie with all of the usual faces at retirement age. The original trilogy could not have been what it was without the characters that everyone recognised in their prime.

Conclusion: these two points are in total contrast with each other and are both very important to successfully bring the X-Men to the screen. You cannot have both; as a result, the original class that Charles founded had to be different in the movie than in the comic books. I felt the writers of the First Class movie created a new continuity that worked well chronologically with the existing franchise. They have also left many story possibilities open and hopefully in the next film or two we will more familiar faces joining the X-Men team.

Gandalf

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Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 6/11/2011, 11:15 PM
I know a way they could make the original team. Reboot.

I'm from the people who wanted reboot not for the original five, but because all the good characters(like cyclops) have been [frick]ed up
LuckyKyd
LuckyKyd - 6/11/2011, 11:46 PM
@MrSuper:
I hear you dude, they destroyed too many good things. The first two movies were good, but then they had to go kill the most neclected Comic book movie superhero, Cyclops, during the first 10 minutes. From that moment I stopped viewing X-movies as a comic book fan and just started watching them as and average movie goer.
And let me say, when you are by heart a fan of the comics, a little part of youself is lost when you watch movies like this. I saw X-men: First Class and loved, but I loved it as movie not as a CBM adaptation.

Sorry for that little rant. I held it in long enough, I thought it was time to let it go. Still if Fox are serious about their plans to make sequels to First Class and at the same time continue on from X3 with X4 and X5 and etc.... Then I'll play the card I always play. Base the X4 movie on the brilliant story that CBM's own TheHawk wrote.

Here is the page, unfortunately it won't let me link to it:
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ChroniclesofMoeniaArcis/news/?a=11116
Luis75
Luis75 - 6/12/2011, 4:00 AM
No it wouldn't be redundant, it would be freaking AWESOME if they introduced the original 5 not some D grade characters that nobody has heard of!!!
Hellsing
Hellsing - 6/12/2011, 5:38 AM
Sorry but I don't know who Iran Man is. But I do who Iron Man and some thing you might not know tony starks origin has always been updated, it went from vietnam to the gulf war and in the 2000's to Afghanistan so if they stuck to canon tony stark wouldn't be an old man. Its this thing called a floating time scale mate. Writers use it to update the time of the origin they don't change it. So you didn't hear fan boys complain because its sticking to source material and the fact that it makes sense and his origin was changed just the location and time period.

" When I was 17 I met a man called Erik Lensherr" yeah Pretty sure McAvoy wasn't playing a 17 year old. So whole article is kinda made redundent. I've heard a lot of people claiming that its only a prequel to the first 2 well not really. So people need stop saying it that it contains a good continuity with the first two movies when it doesn't.

Despite all that I thought it was a great movie, definitely enjoyable thanks to Mcavoy and Fassbender. But its getting hyped up on a ridiculous level.
marvel72
marvel72 - 6/12/2011, 9:04 AM
should of been a reboot featuring the original team members.

x-men first class (x-men the line up should of been cyclops,marvel girl,beast,iceman & angel vs magneto)

x-men first class 2 (x-men vs magneto & his brotherhood of evil mutants that included quicksilver,scarlett witch,mastermind,blob & toad.)

x-men first class 3 (x-men & brotherhood vs the sentinels)

it would leave it open to introduce additional characters & villains in say another trilogy of films.
Gandalf
Gandalf - 6/12/2011, 10:46 AM
I think it would have been great to have the original 5 in a First Class movie, however, the point I was trying to make above is, the Fisrt Class movie must be set in the 60's, because of Magneto. If you put the original 5 in a movie from the 60s you could not make a modern day X-Man movie because the original 5 would all be senior citizens.

As time passes, people age...
Gandalf
Gandalf - 6/12/2011, 11:08 AM
@firg

I agree, people do not look at comics and movies the same way...I am arguing it would be much more difficult for people to accept movie characters to remain the same age over a half century than it would in the comics, hence the need to change the continuity.

I don't think it has anything to do with the younger generation hating old people...I just think it would be boing watching old people fight crime...plus you could not have extremly hot women playing all of the female characters.
randymongoose
randymongoose - 6/12/2011, 11:30 AM
people always seem to overlook the fact that Moira is in First Class, and she was also in Last Stand, and was the same age. I know she isn't the most important (or interesting) character but it just something that people always forget about.

I just think that the movies should be enjoyed as just another story about the same characters. I know it's annoying when it isn't completely from the comics, but I'm just happy that they're making movies about these characters and that I get to watch them. What happens in the movies wont effect what happens in the comics so we should just enjoy them as two seperate things that derive from one.
WhiteDragon66
WhiteDragon66 - 6/12/2011, 11:39 AM
so u say that havin the original 5 messes up continuity?Well they didnt really have to place this movie in the 60s this whole thing could have been set in the late 80s and it would have worked in my opinion because judgin from the age of the Xmen from the 1st film (wolvie excluded) they call would have been either in their early or late teens at that time as for xavier and magneto no change in chronological time is needed keep them the age they are.... thats my opinion on the matter
Kapoleon
Kapoleon - 6/12/2011, 1:12 PM
the movie was good as a movie but it should of just been about somebody else not the X-Men what people fail to see is that Fox is just using X-Men for the name and popularity they could give two sh?$4 about the movie or story line there not like Stan Lee creating a movie of there creation like George Lucas and Star Wars they just care about the money not pleasing fans or the creators of X-Men... Marvel just F'up by selling the rights to one of there biggest creations to Fox.... We'll just keep seeing more NBC show Hero's on the big screen maybe if Marvel ever gets the rights back well see some real X-Men action with Sentinels, Apocalypse,Sinister and so on not just tired ass Magneto
WhiteDragon66
WhiteDragon66 - 6/12/2011, 1:52 PM
That pisses me off too we have the TECH to pull off Transformers but not Sentinals which would be easier to Animate? SMH although i enjoyed 1st Class, it wasnt new or fresh it felt rehashed with a few new mutants thrown in.
We need new villians your absolutely right Kapoleon
jjmeylar
jjmeylar - 6/12/2011, 2:40 PM
All they would have had to do was reboot the franchise...
ironpool007
ironpool007 - 6/12/2011, 2:54 PM
@Gandalf: well nobody complains about the update of Iron Man's origin from Vietnam to Afghanistan because it stayed true to the origin and just put in our times and in a war torn area to make the story relevant to our generation. Also, a few years ago, Warren Ellis updated the origin story and had it take place in Afghanistan, so it's really not just a case of the film makers opting to change stuff.
bossimus
bossimus - 6/12/2011, 7:02 PM
think about magnetos origin though, it cant really be tampered with chronologically... big part of the story!
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 6/13/2011, 5:10 AM
they could have easily set the movie in the late 70's. OR, started it off in the 60's, but not recruit the team until the 70's. Thats the whole problem, the 60's setting.
Gigacrusher45
Gigacrusher45 - 6/13/2011, 6:52 AM
Well of course by movie continuity it's impossible. Cyclops and Jean wouldn't be born yet or old enough. Angel wasn't even a part of the team (kind of) until X3. Iceman CLEARLY wasn't born yet and wasn't officially an X-man till X3.

The only one, like you said, they could do is Beast. It shouldn't of been that complicated to explain.
Gandalf
Gandalf - 6/13/2011, 7:20 AM
@ randymongoose - I overlooked Moria; good point

@ WittySupername - yeah, but Beast was old in X3

@Gigacrusher45 - second paragraph "For the sake of argument, let assume that the comic book continuity was not already ruined in the first movie by having Angel and Iceman being students rather than established members of the team"

@ WhiteDragon66, CorndogBurglar - I guess they could have had Magento's and Xavier's ages' stay the same and just have them start recruiting the First Class later in their lives (70's or 80's). I really liked the 60's setting though and felt it added a lot to the film. They probably should have just called the movie something other than First Class.

I would love to see them make this a full reboot (or different timeline a la Star Trek), and add to the current team of Beast, Havok and Banshee over the next couple movies in a timeline that would make sense. Build this team over the decades to set up a new modern day movie with the orignal 5 as the team. -- My next article, where I would like to see the X-Men go from here...coming soon.

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