LOGAN Director James Mangold Criticizes PG Rating And Double Downs On Not Making Films "For 12 Year Olds"

LOGAN Director James Mangold Criticizes PG Rating And Double Downs On Not Making Films "For 12 Year Olds"

LOGAN director James Mangold has been vocal about his views on the current cinematic market and as we lead into the Academy Awards where LOGAN has been nominated, he further voices these beliefs.

By DumbQuixote - Feb 24, 2018 06:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Logan
Source: The Credits
James Mangold's Logan along with Deadpool have ushered in a new sense of what's possible and marketable in the superhero genre, what with both of those films taking a hard R rating approach to their characters. In the time since the former films release however Mangold seems determined to show that the rating for Logan wasn't just to allow justice to that specific character but also more a personal belief he holds when it comes to cinema.

In talking to The Credits Mangold continued this conversation this time revealing his critique of PG, mainstream accessible cinema particularly when it comes to the death toll in a film:

“I have a lot of misgivings about violence and PG ratings. A PG film might show hundreds of people dying, falling off buildings, getting mowed down by rapid fire guns, but you don’t feel the deaths because the ratings system dictates the amount of agony being played by the actor. In a weird way, that makes violence more palatable because when we excise the upsetting bits, we de-sensitize ourselves to death to the point where it’s almost like shooting ducks at a carnival."


The Academy Award Nominee also reiterated what drove Logan to have an R rating and the freedom that not having to adhere to the usual genre blockbuster machine allowed him:

"We wrote a movie about a character struggling with the PTSD from three lifetimes of mayhem and violence, so it was important to feel the toll all that bloodshed has taken on Logan’s soul... This movie could not legally be marketed to children, which means there’s no Happy Meals, no action figures, no advertising on Saturday morning cartoons,"

The Walk the Line director also then doubled down on earlier comments he made at a panel that many comic book movie fans had taken issue with in regards to making a film for grown-ups, stating:

"I don’t have to worry about the attention span of a 12-year old. I don’t have keep the story ‘up-cut’ to keep kids engaged. I only have to think about pleasing grown-ups. From writing onward through the directing, I had the freedom to make a more sophisticated movie.”

Sophisticated it was certainly seen as, Logan is currently in contest for the Best Adapted Screenplay award at the Oscars - nominated alongside the likes of James Ivory's Call Me By Your Name, Aaron Sorkin's Molly's Game and the surprise Awards hit Mudbound. While it is unlikely that particularly with those first two films as competition, that Mangold and co-writers Michael Green and Scott Frank will take home gold they are nevertheless the first superhero film to be nominated for the award.

But what do you think of Mangold's comments? Do you agree with his observations? What do you think LOGAN's chances are at the Oscars? Leave your thoughts below.
 

 

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IctyoSapien
IctyoSapien - 2/24/2018, 7:08 AM
B'okay
CapA
CapA - 2/24/2018, 7:09 AM
AS a grown-up, I'd have been pleased to see the Wolverine mask and costume and, you, M. Mangold, had at least 2 good reasons/opportunities to use it in your film.
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 2/24/2018, 7:11 AM
[...] "when we excise the upsetting bits, we de-sensitize ourselves to death to the point where it’s almost like shooting ducks at a carnival." Sometimes...yes,but not always.
Depends on how you play it.
I can find different examples in the same movie, like Black Panther.
Klaw's death compared to Killmonger's death.

They don't actually show Killmonger killing Klaw, the camera goes blank with the bang or something like that, but you get the point.
It's PG 13, sometimes they have to do this kinds of things, i get it, but i don't have to like it.
But Killmonger's death...you could feel it, even if there wasn't lotta blood.
So...yeah, it depends.
AstonishingArachnid
AstonishingArachnid - 2/24/2018, 7:19 AM
Ok Mangold is starting to seem more and more like an elitist snob. Your movie is not automatically better than others just because it’s got a mature rating. Logan still kills senselessly in your movie, at no point does he feel remorse for the droves of bad guys he carves through. Hell outside of the states Logan is a PG 15 so his point is kinda moot. There are way too many PG movies that deal with complex themes all while providing entertainment to all ages. If you just want to talk about comic book movies we’ll then look at The Dark Knight, The Winter Soldier, Civil War and Black Panther. Dude is just coming of as a guy who has his head so far up his own ass he can taste his throat. Rated R does not equal instant masterpiece. Don’t forget that your source material was made for those supposed 12 year olds with too short of an attention span.
Kumkani
Kumkani - 2/24/2018, 7:43 AM
“I have a lot of misgivings about violence and PG ratings. A PG film might show hundreds of people dying, falling off buildings, getting mowed down by rapid fire guns, but you don’t feel the deaths because the ratings system dictates the amount of agony being played by the actor. In a weird way, that makes violence more palatable because when we excise the upsetting bits, we de-sensitize ourselves to death to the point where it’s almost like shooting ducks at a carnival."

I... I can't disagree with this enough. I get that's his opinion which he's very well entitled to, but I just feel like he's trying to hard to tell people what to think and feel with this statement, and is really overselling his choice of using an R rating. I liked Logan and I liked that it was R rated, but acting like other movies and other superheroes movies that had PG-13 ratings are dumber and not as significant, or as emotional for people is just being an egotist and frankly not very mature. Movies like TDK and TWS are still shockingly violent, even if we don't see blood and guts everywhere.

Frankly his comment is also very insulting to acting itself. A good actor does not need make up and special effects to display agony. Those things only show just how much agony "realistically" and can help display it to the audience a different way. If an actor in a PG-13 movie cannot properly display agony or if the movie does not make the devastation and mass loss of life real, that's because that actor isn't good enough or is acting out a poorly written scene, or that movie is not written or directed well enough.

James Mangold is really making it seem like the R rating is what made Logan a good film, and it's not. It was well acted and well directed, with a good story behind it. The way this guy is just going on and on about this R rating makes it seem like he didn't even understand his own movie. He's really sounding like a pompous dick.
Kumkani
Kumkani - 2/24/2018, 7:44 AM
But I would be happy if Logan wins that Best Adapted Screenplay award. Would be good for the genre.
TexasAvenger
TexasAvenger - 2/24/2018, 8:12 AM
@BlindWedjat - I hope it doesn't win shit. I can't stand James Mangold.
ODanil
ODanil - 2/24/2018, 7:45 AM
"I only have to think about pleasing grown-ups."

poor choice of words right there.
auditore
auditore - 2/24/2018, 11:00 AM
@ODanil - He's into some kinky shit
Pathogen
Pathogen - 2/24/2018, 1:39 PM
@ODanil - At least he's not a boy toucher like Singer. AND he makes better X-Films!
knocturnalzen10
knocturnalzen10 - 2/24/2018, 9:11 AM
interesting POV
aflynn
aflynn - 2/24/2018, 9:40 AM
"What is wrong with pleasing twelve year olds"?

PantherKing
PantherKing - 2/24/2018, 10:11 AM
Wow this guy thinks he’s a master at film making now
auditore
auditore - 2/24/2018, 10:59 AM
THE EEEEEEDGGGGGGEEEEE
Antagonist
Antagonist - 2/24/2018, 11:42 AM
He directed Walk the Line, 3:10 to Yuma's remake, Cop Land, 'Girl, Interrupted' and Heavy.

He already has an impressive filmography, but with these comments he is coming off as a bit of a snob... I think his anger probably comes from his experience with the studios while making The Wolverine and 'Knight and Day'.

And...

"...but you don’t feel the deaths because the ratings system dictates the amount of agony being played by the actor."

That just depends on the script, director, the actor... You can still portray these things if these factors are strong enough.
marccampos
marccampos - 2/24/2018, 12:00 PM

for me this guy gets more and more an "adult" boring and highly pretentious snob
Kyos
Kyos - 2/24/2018, 3:35 PM
Snotzo
Snotzo - 2/26/2018, 2:27 AM
There were like 6 eight year olds at my Logan and Deadpool screenings.
rkshuttleworth
rkshuttleworth - 2/26/2018, 7:41 AM
It might depend on what kind of conscience someone has. Because I thought the Wolverine was very violent.
PapaLazarou
PapaLazarou - 2/26/2018, 8:58 AM
He told a simple story well. What kid can't follow this storyline? It's basically just 'get Laura from point A to point B. Kill bad guys along the way.' He's kidding himself if he thinks 12 year olds arent watching this.
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