Was Forgetting What Made The Franchise Great Where ANT-MAN AND THE WASP: QUANTUMANIA Went Wrong?

Was Forgetting What Made The Franchise Great Where ANT-MAN AND THE WASP: QUANTUMANIA Went Wrong?

There's a lot to like about Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania, but perhaps the reason we don't love the movie is because Marvel Studios forgot what made this franchise so darn great in the first place...

By JoshWilding - Feb 20, 2023 11:02 AM EST

Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania is nowhere near as bad as its Rotten Tomatoes score suggests. Far from the worst movie released by Marvel Studios, it isn't without its issues, but you'll know from our review that there's fun to be had with this trip into the Quantum Realm. 

Despite a disappointing "B" CinemaScore (yes, that's considered bad), the threequel's Audience Score is vastly higher than the one generated from reviews. A recent poll right here on ComicBookMovie.com - there's still time to cast your vote - also suggests that the vast majority of you enjoyed the movie. However, we can surely all agree that Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania was lacking a certain spark, and that might just be found by looking back at 2015's Ant-Man

Originally developed by Edgar Wright and Joe Cornish, the movie was handed to Peyton Reed relatively late into pre-production. The script did go through some rewrites, but many of the duo's ideas remained, and that could explain the particularly inventive scenes related to Ant-Man's size-changing abilities. 

Whether it was the hero finding himself awed by the dust particles floating around him while standing in an empty bathtub or the final battle that took place mid-air inside a briefcase, Ant-Man was a movie that did a phenomenal job of portraying this character's powers on screen. 

2018's Ant-Man and The Wasp wasn't quite as thrilling in that respect, though the size-swapping car chase and Hank Pym's lab being made out of everything from LEGO bricks to paper clips was very clever. It's also worth noting that both movies featured quite a lot of ants, and that's something else Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania is lacking. 

Despite Scott's abilities being key in retrieving what Kang the Conqueror needs, the movie is light on any real inventive or visually exciting displays of the hero's powers. He gets small, he gets big, and that's about it. Giant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania may well have been a more fitting title, while that lack of ants is, frankly, perplexing. After a brief glimpse inside an ant farm in the movie's opening, they don't return until the movie's final act. There, they help beat Kang, but remain superfluous to Ant-Man's fighting style and everything he goes through beforehand. It would be like removing Spider-Man's webs and Spider-Sense; he'd be able to pull off some fun moves, but would be just another superhero kicking and punching people. 

Throw in the fact that this movie missed the opportunity to deliver what could have been a compelling heist story with Kang at its core, and it's easy enough to come to the conclusion that where this story went wrong is by lacking the charm of its predecessors. Somewhere along the line, Ant-Man has just become a hero who shrinks and grows, and the Quantum Realm is definitely somewhere we could and should have been wowed by that.

Perhaps The Avengers movies, where there wasn't really time to show the world from Scott's unique perspective, are to blame. Alternatively, it may be down to how much more experienced he is as a hero. Maybe the VFX needed to create ants he can communicate with to help save the day is too expensive. Whatever the case may be, Marvel Studios needs to go back to the drawing board to discover what made this franchise so great if they hope to get us to return for Ant-Man 4. A new director would be a good starting point, as would remembering that, if they want us to believe Scott hugging Cassie feels like hugging Godzilla, they need to make the audience feel that as well. 

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TheLobster
TheLobster - 2/20/2023, 11:32 AM
This decline honestly started with Ant Man and The Wasp. Without Edgar Wright’s influence, Peyton Reed was at the wheel, and he clearly isn’t the one who should be driving lol
bobevanz
bobevanz - 2/20/2023, 11:38 AM
@TheLobster - it's crazy because they still kept the majority of Edgar's script for the first one. And he casted Paul Rudd, Marvel doesn't want top notch directors. They want seat fillers to do what they ask
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 2/20/2023, 11:51 AM
@bobevanz - Ryan coogler disrespect will never be tolerated.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 2/20/2023, 11:53 AM
@MyCoolYoung - taika to an extent too but as we saw that could also backfire if not reigned in it’s a balancing act
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 2/20/2023, 11:56 AM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - definitely taika. I liked love and thunder, but other people didn't and that's cool. But we can't act like he didn't have super successful movies and was considered an outstanding director before that movie. That's one thing I hate about the people around here
mountainman
mountainman - 2/20/2023, 12:01 PM
@MyCoolYoung - Yes Marvel gets some great directors like Coogler. Despite the problems with The Eternals, Chloe Zhao is a great director too. But it can’t be denied that they bring in a lot of yes-men.
TheLobster
TheLobster - 2/20/2023, 12:02 PM
@MyCoolYoung - Taika has made some phenomenal films and L&T made an ass ton of money because the MCU is a machine at this point and that machine is printing money..
TheLobster
TheLobster - 2/20/2023, 12:04 PM
@MyCoolYoung - however, Love and Thunder is total ass and effectively ruined Thor acting giving giving him so much needed life between Ragnarok and the Infinity Saga. L&T was so bad that it undermined all of that AND ruined Bale’s return to the comic book world. Think about that.. how embarrassing.

Batman & Robin made an ass ton of cash too and it was still so bad that it stopped that universe for a while. If Marvel doesn’t wise up, that can eventually happen to them someday.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 2/20/2023, 12:09 PM
@mountainman - I mean sam raimi a yes man? You just named Chloe, Destin, and taika? Phase 4 was filled with directors, who had critical acclaim and were successful in their own right.

Hell, even the Russos aren't looking like yes men at this point and they directed 4 movies. Not sure this point can't be denied. James Gunn, Scott Derrickson, Taika, and Ryan all were in phase 3

Yall can say yall don't like the directors but can't no one on this site act like they know what's going on within those walls
mountainman
mountainman - 2/20/2023, 12:18 PM
@MyCoolYoung - Oh I forgot Raimi. He certainly did his own thing with Dr Strange 2. And I will never say anything bad about the Russsos. They directed 3 of my favorite MCU movies. Reed certainly applies though.
VictorAlonzo
VictorAlonzo - 2/20/2023, 12:21 PM
@MyCoolYoung - He avg 30 pts a game in the regular season. Went 5-60 in 4 playoff games. 🤨

See the problem?

Riddle me this: What good is power if you don't utilize it when you need it most?

You got one good movie in you? Cool. Make THAT movie. Don't fan fumes, package it in a sequel, and call me wrong for not liking it, when we both know it's a hot bag of ass (didn't I use that already? 🤔 I digress...). Make it great, keep striving for new peaks. It worked in comics for DECADES. Why should it fail now?
Kurban
Kurban - 2/20/2023, 12:33 PM
@MyCoolYoung - Raimi came in late to production. DS2 was never “his movie,” he just accepted the job.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 2/20/2023, 12:39 PM
@Kurban - Raimis fingerprints is all over that movie
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 2/20/2023, 12:43 PM
@VictorAlonzo - it wasn't hot garbage to me, but to each theory own. I'm not here to argue anyone's opinion of a movie. We all like what we like.

We'd like everyone to push the envelope every time out, but it's not possible. That's what make the movies that do great in thr first place. No player shooting 100%. In actuality, most of the greatest players are high in the worst categories like missed shots and turnovers. That's something that's glossed over in greatness
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 2/20/2023, 12:44 PM
@TheLobster - batman and Robin didn't make a whole lot relative to its budget. I liked love and thunder, but I'm not mad at anyone who didn't
BrotherQStark
BrotherQStark - 2/20/2023, 2:51 PM
@MyCoolYoung - well he killed T’Challa so…
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 2/20/2023, 3:08 PM
@BrotherQStark - and I agree with the decision
supermanrex
supermanrex - 2/20/2023, 11:35 AM
alot of people. probably the vast majority dont think there was a problem with the last antman. but i understand clicks and controversy have to be generated to make things interesting.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 2/20/2023, 11:37 AM
@supermanrex - ah yes if it's bad, there must be some secret agenda lmao
thewanderer
thewanderer - 2/20/2023, 12:06 PM
@supermanrex - even better, this isn't even labeled as "Opinion". It's labeled as "News".
LukeCage2155
LukeCage2155 - 2/20/2023, 12:23 PM
@supermanrex - Preach.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 2/20/2023, 11:36 AM
It's not to figure what the problem is with phase 4 and this one, ITS THE WRITING! Either they don't have time to write a competent story, or they're filling in the blanks from all the pre vis scenes they make. That's it. Stop giving mediocre movies a pass or they'll keep making them.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 2/20/2023, 11:50 AM
@bobevanz - the previz approach is such a weird one. It helps with mapping spaces and camera angles, but it's only really necessary for the amount of VFX that is used. Even if it's just background.

Instead I just wanna see more practical location and stunt stuff again. One of the few great things about Eternals is it's look imo.
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 2/20/2023, 11:56 AM
@bobevanz - Like
I’ve been saying, writing just to fill in the space to get to the next big action set piece.
IMCOOLURNOT
IMCOOLURNOT - 2/20/2023, 11:57 AM
@bobevanz - I wonder. Do they give Oscars for this? Looks like they've done all the work for the director.
mountainman
mountainman - 2/20/2023, 12:02 PM
@TyrantBossMedia - Most of the praise i’ve heard for Ant Man 3 is how well it sets up Phases 5/6. The same thing most people criticized about Age of Ultron.
VictorAlonzo
VictorAlonzo - 2/20/2023, 12:22 PM
@bobevanz - THIS
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 2/20/2023, 11:38 AM
Might just be me, but I had a hard time figuring out what the title is trying to say.

Anyway, I hope Scott get's to be Kang Dynasty's lead, which was already knew was gonna be the case thanks to that ''scoop'' yesterday

mountainman
mountainman - 2/20/2023, 12:03 PM
@bkmeijer1 - OK this comment wins. Great job.
Steel86
Steel86 - 2/20/2023, 11:41 AM
This was a good movie. Marvel's become a victim of its own success. Now fans are wanting every movie to be amazing. But forgetting Thor 1-2, Captain America, Ironman 2-3, Antman 1-2 and Avengers 2 etc were all just ok. I only didn't like the ending but they also left room for doubt so ok.
LukeCage2155
LukeCage2155 - 2/20/2023, 11:54 AM
@Steel86 - Thank you.
TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 2/20/2023, 12:27 PM
@Steel86 - Thor 1, Captain America 1, Ant-Man 1 were all handled well. All the other ones suffered from terrible writing and studio interference. If I'm correct a lot of Thor 2 was chopped. Age of Ultron didn't have the same writing that the first film had. I don't think it's wrong for wanting a movie you're going to see to be amazing? Why should we as fans set our expectations low when it's the studios job to make sure they're pushing out good work?
Steel86
Steel86 - 2/20/2023, 12:36 PM
@TheRationalNerd - I actually love Thor 1 but most don't and put it in the ok realm. And you should absolutely want a amazing movie. Problem is unlike The Whale or Elvis, were you're going to see a great movie but mind is open, see a Marvel movie most people are automatically comparing to the entire franchise of movies instead of judging from the actual movie. Antman 3 was by far the best Antman movie.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 2/20/2023, 12:59 PM
@Steel86 - you're right, mediocre movies are the norm in the MCU, they just arent getting the soft reviews falling their way anymore.
MrDandy
MrDandy - 2/20/2023, 1:36 PM
@Steel86 - I’d watch every movie you listed over Quantumania.

Also Cap 1?? Wtf?
Steel86
Steel86 - 2/20/2023, 1:59 PM
@MrDandy - Um yeah. Cap 1 was very ok. No real hand to hand battle. Montage action scenes. And his greatest villain in his gallery and they barely touched. Imo Cap 1 is by far the weakest Phase 1 movie.
marvel72
marvel72 - 2/20/2023, 2:43 PM
@Steel86 - All of those movies you just mentioned are better than most of Phase 4 and the start of phase 5.
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