AVENGERS: ENDGAME Directors Joe & Anthony Russo On Why They Don't Buy Into Superhero Fatigue Claims

AVENGERS: ENDGAME Directors Joe & Anthony Russo On Why They Don't Buy Into Superhero Fatigue Claims

Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Avengers: Endgame directors Joe and Anthony Russo have shared their thoughts on superhero fatigue, explaining why they don't necessarily buy into those claims...

By JoshWilding - Apr 27, 2024 04:04 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Endgame
Source: Total Film

There was a time when Marvel Studios could do no wrong, but that changed when Eternals became the first MCU movie to earn a "Rotten" score on Rotten Tomatoes. 

The brand is no longer critic-proof, and the likes of Secret Invasion and Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania are proof of that. The superhero genre's haters have wasted no time embracing the narrative of "superhero fatigue," but Avengers: Endgame directors Joe and Anthony Russo disagree. 

"I think it's a reflection of the current state of everything," Joe said of Marvel Studios' recent struggles. "It's difficult right now, it's an interesting time. I think we're in a transitional period and people don't know quite yet how they're going to receive stories moving forward, or what kinds of stories they're going to want."

"There's a big generational divide about how you consume media. There's a generation that's used to appointment viewing and going to a theater on a certain date to see something, but it's ageing out," he continued, sharing his take on the current state of Hollywood. "Meanwhile the new generation are 'I want it now, I want to process it now’, then moving onto the next thing, which they process whilst doing two other things at the same time."

"You know, it's a very different moment in time than it's ever been. And so I think everyone, including Marvel, is experiencing the same thing, this transition. And I think that really is probably what's at play more than anything else."

Anthony then chimed in to share his belief that complaints of "superhero fatigue" have long been made, only for the genre to prove its detractors wrong by reinventing itself.

The post-COVID era has been defined by the MCU's expansion on streaming, and while it would be wrong to call it a failed experiment, Marvel Studios has struggled. Now, though, a creative overhaul is taking place in the studio which has sent everything from Daredevil: Born Again to Avengers 5 back to the drawing board. 

"I think it’s fatigue in general," the filmmaker pointed out, taking the heat off comic book adaptations. "The superhero fatigue question was around long before the work we were doing. So, it's sort of an eternal complaint, like we always used to cite this back in our early days with superhero work."

"People used to complain about westerns in the same way but they lasted for decades and decades and decades. They were continually reinvented and brought to new heights as they went on."

With a DCU relaunch also on the horizon, it does feel like we're entering a new era for superhero movies. Once Marvel Studios gets through the Multiverse Saga, the X-Men will be in play and that alone should be a game-changer.

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LSHF
LSHF - 4/27/2024, 4:11 AM
Looking forward (if it happens) to the Russos returning to the MCU.
Gambito
Gambito - 4/27/2024, 4:25 AM
They better come back their career needs them to, all of their non superhero movies suck balls
kazuma
kazuma - 4/27/2024, 11:11 AM
@Gambito - rdj just won an Oscar
Gambito
Gambito - 4/27/2024, 1:46 PM
@kazuma - so cool, well deserved. Never ever gonna happen for the Russos tho
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/27/2024, 4:52 AM
Idk if i fully buy their comments but i get where they are coming from…

I felt that movies nowadays had to feel like “events” in some ways to really get the masses going into droves to the theater such as “Barbenheimer” or Dune 2 but then we had the successes of Kung Fu Panda 4 and GxK which are 2 of the highest grossing films of the year…

No disrespect to either of them but both didn’t feel like events atleast to me leading up to release so that seemed to throw a curveball to my theory.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/27/2024, 4:53 AM
Granted , both of those are family films (the screening i went to for GxK had a lot of kids) so parents likely due to insistence from their kids took them to see those…

Otherwise , things are expensive in the U.S atleast right now and alot of people feel like why go out and pay money when they could just watch it from the comfort of their home on digital or streaming sooner rather then later (my own family members were surprised that both Dune 2 and Monkey Man were out already)

However , i do feel like audience tastes have changed somewhat from the deluge of superhero movies to other genres as of now which means we might get less of those moving forward but they’ll still be around like the westerns.

Ultimately it’s a multitude of factors I think such as inflated prices , movies being on digital or streaming sooner then later and audiences tastes having changed to an extent etc.
Se4M4NSt4ine
Se4M4NSt4ine - 4/27/2024, 4:53 AM
It’s not so much superhero fatigue - it’s more the lack of quality and high rate of releasing them that’s hurting them.

I thoroughly believe Marvel shouldve took a 2 year hiatus after Endgame. Just give everyone a chance to breathe after the 10 year buildup. Including Feige. This race to get all this content out there has proved it’s a bad business investment.

The quality has dipped because of it. It made sense in the buildup to Endgame for their to be all this content because they knew where they were going with it. I’ve not been entirely convinced Marvel or even now this new DCU know where they’re going with their respective universes as a result.

Marvels content has been bang average since Endgame - and you now have a new universe in the DCU solely relying on this new Superman to be a giant success - otherwise if it’s just another bang average film - what’s the point?
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/27/2024, 5:06 AM
@Se4M4NSt4ine - technically they did think a year hiatus since their next projects after FFH didn’t come out till 2021 (granted , that was due to the pandemic but still).

Ultimately , Chapeks rush to fill D+ with as much content as possible did hurt them to an extent aswell as the pandemic

They are still feeling the effects of the pandemic so it’s gonna be a bit until we feel the effects of the creative overhaul aswell i think
marvel72
marvel72 - 4/27/2024, 8:25 AM
@Se4M4NSt4ine - I believe a lot of people jumped off after Avengers:Endgame. They killed of Iron Man and defeated Thanos, the perfect ending after devoting 10 years of your life to the story.
Se4M4NSt4ine
Se4M4NSt4ine - 4/27/2024, 9:25 AM
@TheVisionary25 - I mean, even during Endgame they were in pre-production for a lot of stuff. I’m meaning completely shutting down the MCU for 2 years. Just let everyone have a breather. Feige is this horse that’s just being beat and beat by Disney to produce the goods.

The man’s only human!
Se4M4NSt4ine
Se4M4NSt4ine - 4/27/2024, 9:27 AM
@marvel72 - yeah I fully agree with people jumping off after Endgame.

But that’s why my point stands, let people jump off - and entice them back after a 2 year break with some real good quality shows/movies.

Rather than get to the peak of the mountain, just to fall off with the bare minimum in terms of quality,
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/27/2024, 10:26 AM
@Se4M4NSt4ine - I get ya but I feel that’s unrealistic…

People have jobs at Marvel Studios so if they shut down completely and not be working on anything , they won’t be getting paid to support themselves or their families
Se4M4NSt4ine
Se4M4NSt4ine - 4/27/2024, 10:55 AM
@TheVisionary25 - Sure logistically it doesn’t sound realistic but if we’re talking about production and crew based - they’re on a contract per film anyway. Just like any film, they wrap and walk away to a new film, new studio, no production the next month. Admin side of things sure, there’s always gonna be a team on the clock - but I’m talking about the production side alone…
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/27/2024, 11:30 AM
@Se4M4NSt4ine - yes sure but I was thinking about the ones that work at Marvel Studios ..

Not necessarily the execs but just the regular folks.

However it’s a moot point now , all we can hope for is improvement from now on and they seem to be actively trying to do that which is good

P.S:Love the Treasure Planet avatar (underrated movie).
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 4/27/2024, 11:46 AM
@Se4M4NSt4ine - I don't disagree with anything you said but I would like to add that Marvel went woke and the stories have sucked since then. Here's an article from 2018 titled "Kevin Feige Says More Female Superheroes Will Come to the MCU
“I would make a great queen because I am stubborn - if that’s what I wanted.” "
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/06/26/kevin-feige-says-more-female-superheroes-will-come-to-the-mcu

And here's a quote from the big guy himself...Feige - "But, as the plan goes forward I think frankly we'll be ... you know, eventually I think we're going to reach a time where it's not just ... listen, it would be amazing to see all of our female characters the way we have seen ... most, never all male, but primarily male. I think we're getting to the point soon where we have so many great female characters that those are just our heroes as opposed to when are they all female, all male. It's just the Marvel heroes, more than half of which will be women."

And here's a snippet from another article of Mark Ruffalo in 2020 doing an interview...

""When we did the first Avengers, Kevin Feige told me, 'Listen, I might not be here tomorrow'," he said. "And he's like, 'Ike (Perlmutter, Disney's largest shareholder at that point) does not believe that anyone will go to a female-starring super movie. So if I am still here tomorrow you will know that I won that battle.'"

Of course, Feige did win the battle and continued in his role, with several female-led Marvel movies now in the works after Captain Marvel was released in 2019.

And Ruffalo credits Feige with making a big change to the superhero movie landscape.

"That was the turning point for Marvel," he said. "Because Kevin wanted black superheroes, women superheroes, LGBT superheroes. He changed the whole Marvel universe.

"We now have gay superheroes, we have black superheroes, we have female superheroes – Scarlett Johansson has her movie coming out, we have Captain Marvel, they are doing She Hulk next. No other studio is being that forwardly inclusive on that level.

"They have to, though. This is the f**king world. The culture is way ahead of the politics."

Other steps being taken in the Marvel world to improve representation include the featuring of an on-screen LGBTQ+ kiss in upcoming film The Eternals and the decision to make Natalie Portman the female Thor in Thor: Love and Thunder."
https://news.yahoo.com/mark-ruffalo-just-explained-reason-162900730.html
bobevanz
bobevanz - 4/27/2024, 11:47 AM
@TheVisionary25 typical L take. Nobody is expecting event movies. We just want movies that aren't phoned in or it's simply content for the app. Nobody can deny that the quality is down because it is. You can tell how much effort and time was put into Infinty War and Endgame, why tf can't we expect that for everything? Turning the hamster wheel just because they need to isn't logical and it wasn't sustainable. Do better. '97 is a huge leap above everything else from this phase, it's so refreshing to see love and care instilled from the first episode and they keep getting better! Bring back Mayo, fire Feige. His job isn't that hard, it's unnecessary to do it alone
bobevanz
bobevanz - 4/27/2024, 11:48 AM
@WarMonkey - I stopped reading at Woke
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 4/27/2024, 3:53 PM
@bobevanz - That's what the ignorant and foolish do, they avoid information that might hurt their "truth". You can read Feige's own words and what his plan was, it's up to you.
marvel72
marvel72 - 4/27/2024, 4:13 PM
@bobevanz -

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ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 4/27/2024, 5:16 AM
People are just tired of phoned in superhero projects. If studios would put out consistent quality superhero projects this wouldn't even be an issue.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 4/27/2024, 8:31 AM
@ModHaterSLADE - RIGHT! Imagine comics stopping after Crisis on Infinite Earths, or The Phoenix Saga.

Keep writing good material. Keep winning.
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 4/27/2024, 1:16 PM
@KennKathleen - Exactly, I think almost every genre has had its period of decline before better things got better.
eagc1995
eagc1995 - 4/28/2024, 1:54 PM
@ModHaterSLADE - Yeah everything has their dark period, but eventually they rebound. I mean its not comic book related, but lets look at Disney, after Walt died, those were dark ages and their films weren't hitting it as the old classics with Walt, but then comes the 90s and they are back in their feet, they start having issues again, but by 2007 they are back again on their feet, we are potentially seeing the start of another dark age as films like Strange World and Wish aren't doing it, but they can rebound if history has shown us

Even the comic book genre has had their dark ages, like the 80s-90s were bad times for the genre outside of films like the Burton Batman movies, but come Blade X-Men and Spiderman and that ushers a new era.....then we hit the dark ages of the mid-2000s, but then Iron Man and The Dark Knight breathe new life and ushers the golden age of comic book movies that we can agree ended in 2019. the genre is struggling right now, but like anything, they can rebound.
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 4/28/2024, 3:28 PM
@eagc1995 - Exactly, just takes the right talent.
Mugens
Mugens - 4/27/2024, 5:21 AM
An interesting take by the Directors. Some of which I can certainly agree with, some not as much. I do believe that there has been a concerted effort by some well known haters of the genre to promote this narrative of super hero fatigue. Wonder what these haters will say when the next Deadpool film easily breaks the Billion dollar mark this summer and as one who is not as crazy for Deadpool as a lot of people, I'll be happy to see it as a "F" you to all those haters.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 4/27/2024, 5:31 AM
@Mugens - I think DP will be a big success, since it will feel like a big FU to the studio mold, by letting the story be self aware and be on the audience’s side.

Plus people love Ryan and Hugh.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 4/27/2024, 5:27 AM
It’s never been superhero fatigue nor a general fatigue. It’s been a string of bad writing, uncreative decisions, & oversight issues.

Fatigue is a cop out from taking responsibility for the lack of audience interest.

We know this most clearly when good or fun movies come out and audiences show up in droves.
dragon316
dragon316 - 4/27/2024, 7:22 AM
@JustAWaffle - can’t comment on writing I’m no writer it’s marvel pushing out as much stuff as they can hope they can get lucky I’m glad marvel is going down slowly they have been cocky big ego making stuff every month, every other month before avengers end game there doing same thing again with characters no one likes boring movies
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 4/27/2024, 11:47 AM
@dragon316 - my sweet sweet dragon. I had a literal stroke last week and I think it helped me finally understand what you write.

But please use punctuation like . , ‘
It will help me from having another stroke.
CAPTAINPINKEYE
CAPTAINPINKEYE - 4/27/2024, 6:14 AM
I’m tired of shit movies.
Fogs
Fogs - 4/27/2024, 7:30 AM
All the russos said is correct.

But as everyone above pointed out, it's a quality issue. I see the russos won't spit in the industry's face and they'll avoid mentioning it like the plague cause they have their interests, but it is what it is.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 4/27/2024, 11:50 AM
@Fogs - they want to come back for Secret Wars and change the game once again lol
Fogs
Fogs - 4/27/2024, 12:13 PM
@bobevanz - well I remember they said bat in 2019 the one project that would bring them back would be SW so... I wouldn't be surprised. Happy af, but not surprised 😊
Fogs
Fogs - 4/27/2024, 12:13 PM
*back in 2019
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/27/2024, 7:37 AM
I think they're right. Watching movies is always changing and it is generational (Star Wars is a great example of that), but I also think it's really a case of mediocrity fatigue.

Video game adaptations will be the next big thing, and will go through the exact same cycle as CBMs, Westerns, Musicals, Animation, Epics, etc. Everything peaks, but won't go away.
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