AVENGERS: THE KANG DYNASTY Rumored Plot Details May Reveal Marvel's Pre-DOOMSDAY Plans

AVENGERS: THE KANG DYNASTY Rumored Plot Details May Reveal Marvel's Pre-DOOMSDAY Plans

Some rumored details for the movie that would have been Avengers: The Kang Dynasty may reveal Marvel Studios' plans prior to Jonathan Majors' firing...

By MarkCassidy - Aug 04, 2024 09:08 AM EST

Marvel Studios announced Avengers: Doomsday at San Diego Comic-Con last weekend, with Robert Downey Jr. set to make his MCU return as the villainous Doctor Doom. As we know, this next Avengers movie - previously titled "The Kang Dynasty" - was shaping up to be a very different film prior to Kang actor Jonathan Majors' firing, and we may now have a better idea of what the story would have focused on.

We've already heard that both Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man and Hugh Jackman's Wolverine were going to play a major role, and scooper MTTSH has now shared some more details.

According to this breakdown, all three Spideys would have been revealed to be the Anchor Beings of their respective universes along with Logan and several others, including Nicolas Cage's Ghost Rider. 

"In this film, the TVA began gathering Anchor Beings from across the Multiverse, believing they are the only ones powerful enough to defeat the Council of Kangs. Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield were the Anchors for their respective realities, while Tom Holland’s Spider-Man served as the Anchor for Earth-616. The movie was intended to be smaller in scope compared to SECRET WARS, focusing more on Holland's Peter Parker, Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield, Hugh Jackman's Wolverine, and other Anchors like Nic Cage's Ghost Rider. The plan was for all of them to ultimately fail, leading to the collapse of the Multiverse and Kang’s creation of Battleworld. This would then set the stage for SECRET WARS, where other MCU characters and additional Multiverse figures would converge on Battleworld."

Some of this does match with previous rumors, and we have heard that the current iteration of Earth's Mightiest Heroes weren't going to have a significant part to play until Secret Wars.

It remains to be seen how much of this story was changed after Majors' firing. There's always a chance Kang was simply switched out for Doom, and the basic premise will stay the same (Battleworld is still expected to feature, at the very least). However, with Joe and Anthony Russo boarding the project and new writers working on the script, we'd say the movie being almost completely reworked is a more likely scenario.

Avengers: Doomsday arrives in theaters on May 1, 2026, followed by Avengers: Secret Wars on May 7, 2027. Both films will be directed by the Russo brothers, who also make their MCU return after helming Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Captain America: Civil War, Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame.

"Being able to create stories and explore characters within the Marvel Universe fulfilled a life-long dream of ours, and we discovered a powerful connection with audiences in each film that we made. We’re thrilled to collaborate once again with Kevin, Lou and the entire Marvel team to bring this epic adventure in storytelling to new and surprising places for both the fans and ourselves”, said The Russos in a statement after the SDCC panel.

Have another look at some photos Downey Jr. shared to Instagram after the big reveal below.

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thewanderer
thewanderer - 8/4/2024, 9:34 AM
I think you can still do much of that same plot idea, just with Doom instead of Kang.

And I still think you have Doom brutally kill Kang to start the film.
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 8/4/2024, 9:38 AM
@thewanderer - That would just be a repeat of what Thanos did to Loki only this time it would leave zero impact as the general audience don't give a sh1t about the Kang at this point the way they did with Loki.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 8/4/2024, 9:39 AM
@thewanderer - the Kang to Doom pivot still bothers me but oh well , I’m gonna have to get over it

However , him killing the council is the best way because it also establishes Doom as a threat rather then just ignoring them all together
thewanderer
thewanderer - 8/4/2024, 9:45 AM
@HashTagSwagg - it’s also extremely effective.
EskimoJ
EskimoJ - 8/4/2024, 11:39 AM
@thewanderer - Becomes less effective everytime you go back to that well.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 8/4/2024, 12:10 PM
@thewanderer - it legit sounds like Infinity War. Hope they can make it stand apart so it doesn't feel like a retread.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 8/4/2024, 12:11 PM
@HashTagSwagg - at this point it's going to be hard for the writer to make this film not just feel like Infinity War 2.0. they need to find a good route of differentiating themselves story-wise.
SheepishOne
SheepishOne - 8/4/2024, 1:02 PM
@thewanderer - start the movie with each of the “anchors” getting pulled into Battleworld, and Kang steps forward, only to reveal he too was brought to Battleworld, just before Doom pulls his spine out.
thewanderer
thewanderer - 8/4/2024, 1:24 PM
@SheepishOne - that works.
MatteMan
MatteMan - 8/4/2024, 5:08 PM
@SheepishOne - For me the best what Marvel can do is not to even use the word "Kang". Leave it for Reboot.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 8/4/2024, 9:44 AM
Even thought MTTS has become more unreliable , I do buy this rumor atleast moreso then some others (though it’s weird to call it Avengers then but we also don’t have them in the MCU too right now).

Cage’s GR being there is interesting but makes sense , I hope we still get him in some capacity…

Have him show up with Carter Slade GR (modeled after Sam Elliot’s version) and Robbie Reyes so we can just recreate this moment with the latter’s car there too!!.

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Apophis71
Apophis71 - 8/4/2024, 10:20 AM
@TheVisionary25 - BIG reason why I don't buy it, why was there a fight between Marvel and Sony to have all three Spider-men in SM4 if they were already doing all three in Kang Dynasty.

That and also most the reporting was always Kang Dynasty would be a 616 Avengers team with a multiverse team being kept back for Secret Wars.

There is also the fact it goes against all the setup of Cap4, Thunderbolts and all the rest of the MCU films leading up to it that there was no mention of anyone other than Spider-man in Kang Dynasty from 616 when at the time of the legal issues over Majors there was still questions as to if Sony and Marvel would continue to collaborate at all after No Way Home.

It may have been what Sony wanted for the next Spider-man solo film, I do not see it being what Marvel were planning and deffo not what would have formed the Avengers team for Kang Dynasty.

It is possible I guess but also very easy for any so called scooper to throw out their own headcanon theory of what was going to be as near impossible to prove that wasn't the original plan. Just that you expect at least a couple of the Avengers to have had their own film in that phase or at least the phase prior. No Way home was phase four, and still no confirmed slot for the next Spider-man solo prior to the phase six 'Doomsday' film as it is now and there is also the question mark of including Wolverine but not deadpool considering the film we currently have in theatres.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 8/4/2024, 10:26 AM
@Apophis71 - that’s certainly fair and could just be someone just throwing out their own headcanon theory as fact which wouldn’t be surprising

It felt more plausible to me because atleast some of the seeds had been planted for it

I’m assuming the fight between Sony and Marvel (if there was even one) was because they get nothing from the 3 Spidey’s being in Kang Dynasty. While SM 4 they would get the profits from it
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 8/4/2024, 10:40 AM
@TheVisionary25 - Read below screen Caps from MTTSH...


...seems this plot they are now saying was going to be Kang Dynasty is near identical to what they claimed to be the plot of Deadpool 3. It sounds like trying to save face for being SO very wrong about the current film by recycling something for another film which we know has had a rewrite.

Certainly not saying the idea they put forth for a film isn't interesting, could have been great, but smells of fanfic to me.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 8/4/2024, 10:44 AM
@Apophis71 -interesting , I mean could certainly buy that too

I mean this does sound fun for the character interactions alone but idk about great since we don’t know enough or as you said , even if it’s true or not

To me , I was thinking about this but the Multiverse Saga is almost Marvel being like “let’s have some fun” and ending off previous Marvel cinematic universes so they can ultimately forge ahead with a new-ish one post SW which I like
Tidaltree
Tidaltree - 8/4/2024, 2:21 PM
@Apophis71 - Iirc, the fight broke out after the Kang-Storyline fell through. It might have been a "we don't get the three together in Kang's Dynassty, so where to get them together then"-itch from Sonys side. Its a rumor about a film long since scrapped, after all.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 8/4/2024, 5:23 PM
@Tidaltree - You sure? It was confirmed Spider-man 4 was in active development December 2022 after initial starting preproduction of it way back in 2019 at the same time they were developing No Way Home.

Antman 3 wasn't released until Feb 23 and the Majors incident wasn't until the end of March 2023 and not much in the way of details known about it until may.

The trial wasn't until November last year and not fired till December which hardly fits into the notion that the idea of three spider-men in Kang Dynasty was scrapped prior to the dispute over them being in SM4 when you also factor in last years strikes meaning the dispute and rewriting wouldn't have been occuring between may and sept 23'.

I get the point but Sony would fight for the trinity for a No Way Home type box office in the film they get a decent cut of with BO returns. I doubt if they were also to be in Kang dynasty or not would make much difference either way to them pushing for that and if anything if ditching the idea of them in Avengers 5 Marvel may have been more open to it not less. Unsure of specifics of when the dispute was occuring, reporting of it was likely after the fact, but would have thought it would have been before may last year and decent chance it was resolved by the time it was officialy announced as in production end of 22' with the original plans for Avengers 5 likely not thrown out and work on the new story until after the strikes ended in sept 23'.
Tidaltree
Tidaltree - 8/5/2024, 1:12 AM
@Apophis71 - No, I'm not sure. My memory tells me that the fight for the Trinity was reported during Trial-times.

I don't get Sony. Having the Trinity again in a Movie wouldn't have the same impact again. It's been done, shouldn't be done again. If they wanna have Maguire and Garfield together with Holland again, they should push for a series with the Storyline of Madame Web sending Spiderman to different Dimensions instead. That would make more sense and fit into their previous setup.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 8/5/2024, 5:05 AM
@Tidaltree - Don't get sony either, could have used the two others in any of their other films for HUGE added value to them, pocket ALL the extra money from doing so instead of sharing with Disney, without all the complications trying to force them into a multiverse saga arc a second time prior to Secret Wars which they easily could fit into.
dracula
dracula - 8/4/2024, 9:46 AM
if true, could have been cool to see Hugh, Tobey and even Nick together

if true, wonder who else

Michael Chiklis
Ben Affleck
Edward Norton
Armageddon26
Armageddon26 - 8/4/2024, 11:11 AM
@dracula - Probably Jessica Alba. No way they do a team with no women, and can’t toss any X-Men in once you establish Logan as anchor being. I could also see Captain Carter and Eric Bana Hulk
McMurdo
McMurdo - 8/4/2024, 12:12 PM
@dracula - Ben and Norton won't sign.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 8/4/2024, 12:27 PM
@McMurdo - also Mattfleck died offscreen.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 8/4/2024, 12:40 PM
@ObserverIO - that's right.
Yetiman
Yetiman - 8/4/2024, 2:33 PM
@dracula - Edward Norton wouldn’t make sense because his character is Mark Ruffalos version
bobevanz
bobevanz - 8/4/2024, 9:49 AM
More bullshit for the ultimate rumor grifter, why would they bring back spider bros AGAIN and why the [frick] would they pick Nic Cage.. dumbass
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 8/4/2024, 10:00 AM
@bobevanz - why would they bring back spider bros AGAIN

Yeah, no idea. Not like the last movie made any money 🙄
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 8/4/2024, 10:31 AM
@MarkCassidy - Bringing back all 3 Spiderman I could buy into, including Hugh's Wolverine without DP so soon after the current film and not including Cap or indeed any character Marvel Studios introduced other than Holland makes it dubious in the extreme for me.

The idea that they spend two and a half phase introducing new characters and legacy ones taking over the likes of Cap, Nat and BP only for them to not use any other than characters they didn't own till 2019 would be odd in the extreme.

The time we would expect all the pre-MCU characters to form part of a multiverse team would be Secret Wars after a 616 Avengers team failed to prevent the creation of Battleword in Kang Dynasty.
TrentCrimm
TrentCrimm - 8/4/2024, 11:51 AM
@MarkCassidy -

But you won't acknowledge the point about MTTS being a hack source. Out of 20 scoops for Deadpool & Wolverine, they got less than half right, you're still pretending they have reliable sources?
Ssturns19
Ssturns19 - 8/4/2024, 7:40 PM
@bobevanz - I mean the flash brought him back from a movie that never even came out and marvel brought gambit in the same way I don't see how that's crazy
bobevanz
bobevanz - 8/4/2024, 9:51 AM
tylerzero
tylerzero - 8/4/2024, 10:29 AM
@bobevanz -

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regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 8/4/2024, 9:58 AM
This sounds so fake lmao.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 8/4/2024, 11:35 AM
@regularmovieguy - It doesn't sound great, for sure. But let's not forget that we first heard about rumors about these "anchor" characters from their realities like months ago. Then Deadpool and Wolverine comes out last week and BOOM, it introduces the idea of anchor characters.

So yeah, I agree, this doesn't sound awesome lol. But signs are pointing to it being legit.
BabyLasagna
BabyLasagna - 8/4/2024, 10:00 AM
This sounds like a lazy fanfic lol
I mean...it's all cool with Tobey, Andrew etc but Id like if the Avengers movie Focus on the characters we have seen so far, give Shang chi, Ms. Marvel, Sam's cap, a chance to do something.
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 8/4/2024, 10:01 AM
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TheRogue
TheRogue - 8/4/2024, 10:05 AM
@regularmovieguy - MyTimetoshine when he enters a making up bs contest

https://x.com/SavinTheBees/status/1819631479867298081

(The video not the tweet)
heisei24
heisei24 - 8/4/2024, 10:11 AM
@regularmovieguy - lmao did he really just recycles these "scoops"
Ghoul
Ghoul - 8/4/2024, 10:26 AM
@regularmovieguy - all you need to do is just read this for the credibility to speak for itself. To the point of even dismissing people who actually got into right. Stop shilling for this moron their record doesn’t justify at this point.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 8/4/2024, 10:29 AM
@regularmovieguy - it has been bad for this guy/girl.

I remember all the scoops on nwh and mom being true.

Mightve been fired or something that the connections are not there anymore
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