Why Quicksilver Has No Business Appearing In AVENGERS 2

100% agree bro

At this rate, more keen for DOFP than AVENGERS 2 if Joss still uses this pair.

Waste of [frick]ing time ffs

Honestly how does being a mutant define Quicksilver as a character any more than, say being an Inhuman.

Magneto is another story, Pietro either trying to live up to his father's expectations or trying to make up for his fathers sins can be argued as a defining character arc but the mutant thing has me shaking my head.

I just don't want Scarlet Witch in the MCU before Doctor Strange.

I want him to be the first introduction to magic in this universe, properly speaking.

Quicksilver and Scarlet will be "actors"

Now keep in mind, DOFP, could easily be a soft reboot for the franchise. That means that the twins could be the FIRST public mutants in the MCU.

If by chance what I said is true, and since we know Marvel and Sony are willing to work TOGETHER, not give the rights back, we could see Spider Man and Wolverine as Avengers in the next ten years. Can you imagine how much money a movie with Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Wolverine and Spidey would actually make if they were all together? It could reinvigorate the franchise if they could accomplish this. Make REAL history.

I wholeheartedly disagree with this editorial. First off:

Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch can still be mutants in the MCU, Marvel just can't use the word "mutants(s)".

Secondly:

You argue that being a mutant is crucial to Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch's characters. While that is true, him and Scarlet Witch being Avengers are even more crucial to their characters, considering they've been Avengers for 48 years. They've only ever been Brotherhood members for one year, and have only guest-starred in mainstream X-Men titles since then.

Thirdly:

Yes, Magneto is their father. And? While it is extremely cool, it ultimately has little impact as to who these characters are. Even when the twins do find out that Mags is their father, they're like, "Okay, cool. Moving on."

In conclusion:

You're assertion that Marvel is going to "rape" these characters is completely asinine.

To me, they are both just weak characters. (I don't mean weak powers, I mean they're just meh characters) neither one is really that popular at least Hawkeye and Widow had somewhat of a fan base, neither of these really do. And for good reason, they are just uninteresting IMO.

IMO, they should skip these two and move on the much better characters that Marvel studios has possession of.

@Khan
And if you read anything with QS and SW, you'd know that said impact is quite minimal.

Either way, bitching about it is pointless. Just because they don't mention it, it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

And like I said, they can still be mutants, they just can't use the word "mutants". And if not, they can just go with the Ultimate Universe explanation and refer to them as off-shoots of the Super Soldier program.

Marvel wants Black Panther and Ms Marvel to debut in their own films in Phase 3 and 4 (if they get to Phase 4). I'd much rather see QS and SW anyway, they're much more interesting. They've got a unique brother/sister dynamic, and they're rough around the edges. They're the wild cards.

Pietro and Wanda are a large part of Avengers history. They represent a portiion of a huge arc involving the public learning to trust the Avengers and the team members therein. Compared to the impact they have on The Avengers, their lineage is secondary and not defing of the characters.

While they are indeed connected to the X-men by birth, they are first and foremost Avengers.

So let me get this straight, you want Wolverine as an Avenger....but I thought he was a mutant? Lol you guys are against your own argument, you don't want one thing but at the same time you do. And Spider-Man does not belong as an avenger...plain and simple. Atleast QS and SW are actually Avenger members, the other two aren't.

^^This guy knows what he's talking about :)

Correction:^^THESE GUYS know what they're taking about!

@Batmaniac

As much as I disagree, I love that GIF!

You really are kind of dull. But don't take that personally, you obviously are not alone there.

There's all these characters - Black Panther, Ms Marvel, Hank and Janet, that APPARENTLY Marvel's just missing out on... so why on Earth would Joss Whedon be so adamant that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch be involved?

Here's to not-so-hilariously missing the point.

He could have used quite a few characters, certainly not just the popular ones I listed, (although that would guarantee the same reaction from people like yourself) but he didn't. Why is that?


Could it BE that Joss actually LIKES the dynamic between these two characters and sees a boatload of possibilities with their interaction and dialogue with the other Avengers? Perhaps he actually REALLY likes these characters and has quite a few ideas on how to use them. With that in mind, do you really think he's going to NOT develop these characters, and demote them to extras?

Now, we're not done THINKING here.

What does Fox have a longstanding history of doing with their X-Men characters? I enjoy the movies, and I'm not ANGRY like some people claim to be that many many characters didn't have but a couple minutes (some, only a few seconds) to shine. But they have a huge cast already. Forget the whole X-Men, mutant, superheroes business for a second and consider this to be just a cast in any movie.

Ian McKellen, Michael Fassbender (don't think of these as younger/older versions playing the same character), Patrick Stewart, James McAvoy, Hugh Jackman, Anna Paquin, Shawn Ashmore, Ellen Page, Jennifer Lawrence, Nicholas Hoult, Halle Berry, Fan Bingbing, Daniel Cudmore, Peter Dinklage, and Luke Evans have been confirmed to star, and only ONE role from these actors hasn't been revealed (Dinklage).

That's 15 actors. Now we go back to looking at it as a CBM (which it hopefully VERY will be), and you'll find that 14 of those actors have confirmed roles as mutants.

I don't know how on Earth these characters won't go through the minimizing process. I just don't.

Look at the Avengers: Samuel L Jackson, Tom Hiddleston, Colbie Smulders, Clark Gregg, Jeremy Renner, Chris Evans, Scarlett Johansson, Mark Ruffalo, Robert Downey Jr, Chris Hemsworth, and Gwenyth Paltrow star, although the last actor's part was negligible (as it should have been).

11 stars, with all but ONE of them playing a character who had already appeared in a Marvel movie.

What's your concern again?

@Khan Cyclops and Wolverine absolutely need to be mutants because they have specific character defining arcs which revolve around their place in the mutant community.

Wolverine is the product of government experimentation on mutants. That's significant.

Cyclops is the leader of the X-men with a long history of contemplating his place in the mutant community and how best to protect that community. That's significant.

Quicksilver, though, is a completely different situation. I've just never read a story where Quicksilver had something interesting to say about his mutant heritage or his place in the mutant world. If someone can prove me wrong, then great, but until then I don't see the conflict with Quicksilver (and I'm talking about Quicksilver specifically, not Scarlet Witch)

Magneto's a fair argument though but you don't have to change that relationship you just don't mention it, which is comic book accurate.

Biggest issue I have with Quicksilver being used in DOFP is I keep hearing that Singer needs him for "a specific scene", which makes me feel like Singer just a needs a speedster and won't use Quicksilver as a important character, just as way to show "Ooh, a mutant with super-speed". And I think it could be more enjoyable to see Whedon's snappy banter used by Pietro and Wanda.

I can't wait to see tomorrow's Quicksilver editorial!