Could The Dark Knight Rises be the next Spider-Man 3?

Could The Dark Knight Rises be the next Spider-Man 3?

These are just some thoughts I've been having, drawing similarities to both Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy and Nolan's Batman saga.

Editorial Opinion
By PaulRom - Feb 17, 2011 02:02 PM EST
Filed Under: Batman

As of right now, The Dark Knight Rises is probably the most anticipated comic book movie (rivaled only by The Avengers and The Amazing Spider-Man, but even those probably aren't as anticipated) after the phenomenon that was The Dark Knight (now considered perhaps the best CBM ever). Spider-Man 3 was also hotly anticipated at its time (after the success of the second Spidey movie), but now it's considered one of the weakest CBM's ever made. So what am I bringing up here? Keep reading....


Both Spider-Man (2002) and Batman Begins are commonly considered among fans to be the movies that have raised the bar of comic book movies the most (along with classics such as Iron Man and Superman [1978]). Spider-Man was, until The Dark Knight's release, the highest grossing movie of its genre, and it is still considered a masterpiece among many. Batman Begins was one of the first to take on a serious, much more realistic feel to a comic book movie, and many things about it are more believable than those in previous CBMs.

Both Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight (much more so the latter) are considered some of the greatest CBMs ever created (and some of the best movies ever, period). Spider-Man 2 continued the adventures of Peter Parker as he struggles to balance his relationship with Mary Jane and his duties as Spider-Man, all while taking on Alfred Molina's priceless version of Doc Ock. The Dark Knight, as stated before, is the most financially successful CBM ever, and probably even more so with the critics (it deserved Rotten Tomatoes' 94% approval rating). It also gave us perhaps the greatest villain portrayal to date (RIP Heath Ledger).

As said before, Spider-Man 3 was extremely anticipated following 2's success. With the promises of the black suit, Sandman, and even Venom for this movie, fanboys went through the roof. Then after its release, nearly everyone dissed it as a failure. From emo Peter Parker scenes to too little Venom (even to the casting of Topher Grace as Eddie Brock, and I personally didn't care for his performance), negative statements flew across the world. And as mentioned in a recent article someone wrote about SM3, part of the reason why most people didn't like it was likely because their expectations were too high.

The Dark Knight Rises finds itself in a similar position that Spider-Man 3 was in. With rumor after rumor, confirmation of Bane and Catwoman/Selina Kyle to be featured in this movie, and the fact that Warren Pfister read the script and said it topped TDK, fanboys are probably at Jupiter when it comes to anticipation. But the thing is, after Spider-Man 3 (please remember I did enjoy SM3, just not as much as its predecessors), should we really have our anticipations rocket-high? And with the likelihood that we won't get as strong performances as Heath Ledger's Joker (unless Anne Hathaway would own as Catwoman, which I think is highly possible), will TDKR will best its predecessor?

I'm not questioning whether or not TDKR will be good in the slightest. After all, Nolan said that he wouldn't even do a third movie unless the script would be as good as (if not better than) TDK; he even asked once how many third movies in a series are good.

Which brings me to my next question - can TDKR survive the 'threequel curse'? The curse that befell series such as Spider-Man, X-Men, Superman, and even the original Batman series. Rarely does a CBM series go without the third movie being spat on far more than the rest of the trilogy. With the exception of Superman, the second movie in all these series' is considered the strongest (same definitely goes for TDK unless TDKR beats it).

So in conclusion, the question that should ring out is: Can The Dark Knight Rises defy threequelitis and establish the franchise as the strongest in comic book history, or could it fall victim to the curse and face ridicule like Spider-Man 3? Guess we shall see on July 20th, 2012.

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TheNameIsBetty
TheNameIsBetty - 2/17/2011, 2:39 PM
Good point. Very good point.

I liked Topher Grace as Eddie Brock. Partly because I liked him as an actor, especially after 'That 70's Show', but I liked him.
I did an editorial a while back about Spider-Man 3 and Venom's portrayal...
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/NewsGhost/news/?a=27744

After Inception, I wholeheartedly trust Christopher Nolan. I know that's
probably as dangerous as going to hell saying "I won't be burned", but
I really do trust him now. Here's to hoping TDKR will pwn our minds
Jizuri2
Jizuri2 - 2/17/2011, 2:57 PM
The weak points of movies like xmen3 and spiderman were trying to make an entire universe fit into the movie. Why was sandman uncle bens real killer? I'm still not sure. If beast wasn't introduced in the first 2, was he really necessary in the third? Probably not.

The point is i think other cbms were frankly rushed to please fans but in the process lost the story that they were trying to tell. (how do we solve cyclops, Jean, wolverine love triangle? Kill one !)

I think if there's anything that chris Nolan is good at it's telling a story. On top of that he's a good visual story teller and has the patience to find a story worth telling. He ties off his lose ends and always, I mean always leaves me saying wow. Even if tdks is "worse" than the previous two i still think that they are going to make a perfect trilogy as a whole only because Nolan will be telling the end of his very own story.
yankeemanf
yankeemanf - 2/17/2011, 3:25 PM
not at all will it be the next spider man 3...batman begins and the dark knight r phenomenal movies as for spider man 1 and 2 they r ok movies and plus every other movie christopher nolan has made has been gold soo there is no reason y the dark knight rises would not be gold
golden123
golden123 - 2/17/2011, 6:15 PM
Spider-man 3 is only bad if you are a fan of Venom (which I am not) or/and you think that impressing girls through singing is stupid (despit the fact that people do it in real life and it works). So I'm not going to be dissapointed if it ends up like SM3.
ChrisW
ChrisW - 2/17/2011, 6:29 PM
Yeah there's no way Batman 3 isn't one of the best for several reasons. #1 the second act in any trilogy has the be the darkest of the three, so (check that). #2 the origin needs to set up act 2 so (check that) they did that. #3 the final episode needs to be triumphant like Return of the Jedi. Batman's on the run and has to overcome several obstacles in order to be Gothum's hero (check that). As long as they keep following the Star Wars 1980's version of trilogy they'll be fine and Batman will save the day like Luke Skywalker and he'll defeat public perception and bring down mobsters and rule the galaxy. Bane will act as Batman's fight with Lord Vader. Nolan is no Sam Rami. Spiderman sucks btw.
ChrisW
ChrisW - 2/17/2011, 6:59 PM
Another thing is if you re gonna draw comparisons you should compare those god awful Spiderman movies to the first Superman movies NOT to Nolan's Batman.
TheDetectiveComicRises
TheDetectiveComicRises - 2/17/2011, 7:06 PM
Time 2 get out of the past folks, The Dark Kinght Rises is another movie & Nolan will deliver again! Spider-man 3 was not the best of the Spider films but it did not suck and it did not fail. btw The Dark Knight and Spider-man 3 are the two biggest opening films on the opening weekend The Dark Knight at number 1 with $158 mil and Spider-man 3 number 2 at $153 mil if I am not mistaken, those films have proven themselves and The Dark Knight Rises will do just at well, "I believe that!"
IronicMan
IronicMan - 2/17/2011, 8:16 PM
Who's "Warren Pfister?" Has he replaced Wally as the DOP?
Havok89
Havok89 - 2/18/2011, 12:46 AM
TDKR will not only be better than both BB, and TDK combined but will probably become highest grossing film of all time!

In Nolan I trust

PaulRom
PaulRom - 2/18/2011, 5:07 AM
@IronicMan He's the chief cinematographer, if I remember correctly.
@cbegin09 Yeah, Spidey 3 had the biggest opening of them all, and is currently the highest grossing Spidey movie worldwide. But the first two made more in North America.
@TheMan2009 I haven't seen any of the Superman movies, so I can't compare them. :P
And I'd like to say that I do trust Nolan to do a good job. Whether it can top TDK is not known right now, and whether or not it can survive the threequel curse we shall see. But after Inception, I think Nolan wouldn't screw up the grand finale his fans are expecting.
ChrisW
ChrisW - 2/18/2011, 7:13 AM
PaulRom - Spiderman takes heavily from the first Superman movies, Superman(1977) and SupermanII. It's not only that, but the whole Spiderman universe plagiarizes Superman comics. John Joana Jamison (Perry White) The Daily Bugle(The Daily Planet) in all reality Spiderman is Superboy and Mary Jane Watson is Lana Lang. Except in the Spiderman series he is raised by his Aunt and Uncle instead of being adopted and is instead bitten by a spider instead of falling to earth from Krypton. Even Spiderman's biggest nemesis Norman Osborn is a CEO of a vast company much like Superman's arch nemesis Lex Luthor. Hell if we want we could take it so far as to say Venom/Carnage is like Superman's clone Bizarro or Doc Ock is like Superman's Brainiac. Lex Luthor is even like Harry Osborne when you think about it. Lex Luthor and Harry both grew up with Superheroes they gradually began to hate. All in all Spiderman is nothing more then a Bizarro Superman, a plagiarism and a rip off both in cinema and in the comics. Watch the first two Superman movies and you'll see. F(*^ Spiderman.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 2/18/2011, 7:53 AM
Like I said too, no one had a bad word again st RAIMI till SPIDEY3...

Exactly the same like NOLAN...


I hope it don't bite though, looking forward to BATS 3...

Not into BANE nor CATWOMAN, so much better out there but fingers crossed we get a good movie! ; )

Nice write up dude!
Unionjack
Unionjack - 2/18/2011, 8:17 AM
Nice article - but you seem to forget that Spiderman 3 failed, because Rami was forced to include characters that he said hated!! - had venom not been included who knows what movie we would have had!!

Nolan has thus far a track record of producing great epic movies. Unlike the start to finish story telling format introduced in the dark knight, i think with TDKR he will return to the BB format nolan does best, with the story going back and forward and therefore you are able to get away with numerous characters
coderaven
coderaven - 2/18/2011, 8:36 AM
Your forgetting Spiderman 3 was a product of marketing. The studios had a direction they wanted to go ( Toys and Fanboys ) Rami had a different direction creativly. Instead of choosing one, they tried to merge the two.

Your all nuts if you think Nolan gives a shit what we say, or if WB hasn't learned to leave this franchise alone. ( it had already made that mistake with shumaker ).

I expect not only an great move from Nolan, but I expect this series to run quite a while with other like minded serious directors with little influence from Fanboys and Studios other than counting the cash coming in.

This may be Nolans third movie buts its not Batmans. They learned from their mistakes and thats why we can be grateful for Begins and TDK.

If this movie is a let down its becuase TDK set the bar so high. Spiderman 3 was a pathetic attempt at a movie.



Redhood88
Redhood88 - 2/18/2011, 9:00 AM
Over anticipation is not the reason SM3 failed. It was a slap-dash excuse of a film with no respect for the source material. The first two did and then all of a sudden Raimi felt he had developed Parker to a point where he could turn him into a pussy. For shame Sam. For shame.

Venom is a character that deserves full attention. There's so much to explore with him e.g. his stalking of Parker, ruining his personal life etc. Instead he was abused and wasted. Not to mention killed off in the most anti-climatic scene imaginable.
TheAwesome
TheAwesome - 2/18/2011, 4:33 PM
... I thought Nolan said he wasn't finished with the script.
CraniumCrusher
CraniumCrusher - 2/18/2011, 10:38 PM
Shut up! Sam Raimi is terrrible and I do like his Spidey films, but he was not able to focus on the stories more than Nolan has. Nolan is a more powerful director and I love his Inception film. He is just better. The film will work and will be successful. Just wait for it.
DocMartin09
DocMartin09 - 2/19/2011, 10:15 AM
Spiderman was made to feel like a comic book set in the real world. SM 1 and 2 were lucky that their stories would hold in print or on screen. SM 3 would have been a great comic book, over the top performances and cliches and all but it was too "comic-book-ish" for the big screen. The Batman films, however, were not intended to feel or even hint at a comic book. They were designed from the ground up with a realistic feeling. Because of this, I think Nolan and company will avoid the fate of SM3 and conclude their masterpiece perfectly.
Amazo
Amazo - 2/19/2011, 1:24 PM
Nonsense argument.Two different beasts entirely.I have no worries that Nolan will make a dud or that there's some kind of third movie curse.He's far too careful and methodical for that :)
PaulRom
PaulRom - 2/19/2011, 3:51 PM
@TheAwesome I assumed the script was finished when Pfister said he read it (it was in a previous news report on CBM.com), but then Michael Caine said it's not finished yet. *puzzled*
@Redhood88 I agree, Venom is a big character. They didn't include much of him at all for SM3. I wonder if they're still going with a spinoff...
@CraniumCrusher I agree that Nolan is a better director (heck, I haven't seen any of Raimi's stuff beyond Spiderman, so I can't have a real say on his overall style; I've seen Nolan's Batman films and Inception so I have a pretty good grasp on his own style), and that he's better at stories and such. Like I said in the teaser, this whole article was just a collection of thoughts, considering Dark Knight Rises had every ounce of anticipated that Spiderman 3 had (if not a lot more). I don't think we should have our anticipation beyond measure, because there's a possibility that it won't reach the expectations (Can't see why that's possible though).
@Amazo Adding to above, the threequel curse has affected nearly every major CBM franchise (with Iron Man 3 being in a similar position to that which X-Men 3 was in...might do something on that later). Unless Nolan knows precisely what he's doing (which I believe he will), it's possible that TDKR won't receive as positive results as its predecessors. But I guess we'll see when it comes out.

**EDIT**
I did some research and the Pfister guy is actually named Wally Pfister. Poor memory of mine. :P
And Nolan had a very long script when Pfister read it, and he's still in the process of shortening it.
fattieacid
fattieacid - 2/19/2011, 4:28 PM
THE DARK KNIGHT RISES WILL TBE THE GREATEST MOVIE IN COMICBOOK MOVIE HISTORY AND THIS BATMAN TRILOGY WILL BE THE GREATEST TRILOGY OUT THERE. PERIOD.
Devilhunter318
Devilhunter318 - 2/20/2011, 9:43 AM
the primary reason that spiderman 3 was so hated was because the entire spiderman trilogy was not to be taken seriously, and Raimi pushed the boundary of how far he could go with the overall silliness of it
NeoBaggins
NeoBaggins - 2/20/2011, 10:13 PM
If TDKR does recieve the Spider-man 3 treatment, it won't be because it was a bad film. Spider-man 3 wasn't a bad film, nor was X-MEN 3. Those films are considered bad because comicbook nerds have their own personal wishes as to what should happen. Since making movies is a business, a film company can't rely on elements that will please fans exclusively. Then there's the old fashion build up to tear down tactic people love so much. They root something on, build it up for a while, get bored, then tear it down. When Nolan completes his trilogy, people will do the same to him. Just like their doing now to Raimi.

I have no doubt TDKR will be a good film. Nolan makes quality films. Even though I would have liked to see the Riddler (a no-brainer), I know that he will make a good quality movie. Weather or not it gets the Spider-man 3 curse depends on how people want to act about it. It doesnt have any bearring on the movie itself. I watched Spider-man 3 the other night. Venom shoe-horned in, Spider-man can't keep his mask on for 2 seconds, Sandmans a Non-evil villian.... still, no comicbook movie matches the quality of acting, writing, directing and production values of the Spider-man trilogy. Raimi owns the MARVEL big budget film, just like Nolan owns the the DC big budget film with realism.
RyanLantern77
RyanLantern77 - 2/22/2011, 11:50 AM
Nolan has never made a bad movie.... Go ahead and try to find one, you will be on a wild goose chase. The man knows how to make a movie
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