EDITORIAL: Are We In For A Politically Charged Plot With THE DARK KNIGHT RISES?

EDITORIAL: Are We In For A Politically Charged Plot With THE DARK KNIGHT RISES?

I believe the new trailer posted earlier gives us a pretty big clue as to one of the themes that will be running through Christopher Nolan's final Bat-flick. Click for my thoughts, and see if you agree..

Editorial Opinion
By MarkCassidy - Dec 19, 2011 02:12 PM EST
Filed Under: Batman

In a red carpet interview a good while back Christopher Nolan was asked what the theme of TDKR would be. The question was put to him with the suggestion that Batman Begins was all about fear, while TDK focused more on escalation. The director simply smiled and said something along the lines of: "You will have to wait and see".

Well with the official release of the full theatrical trailer for TDKR we may have our first clue. It's clear that fear does play a big part in the plot of Batman Begins, and escalation along with the notion that good does not always triumph over evil is an underlying theme of TDK. There is much more to them too of course, but there is no doubt that Christopher Nolan likes to mix in something else for audiences to chew on aside from the usual CBM staples. This time it could well be a more political slant we in store for.



Nolan may have debunked the rumor that he would be shooting scenes at Occupy Wall St but that doesn't mean one of his characters won't be sharing that movement's ideals. It can't be ignored that Anne Hathaway's Selena Kyle (Catwoman) gets the largest chunk of dialog in the new trailer, and said dialog tells us more about her, and possibly the movie's plot, than anything else we have seen/heard thus far. While dancing with Bruce Wayne (for those unaware of his secret, a 1%er is ever there was one) she is heard to whisper (hiss?): “You think this is gonna last? There’s a storm coming Mr. Wayne. You and your friends better batten down the hatches because when it hits, you are all going to wonder how you ever thought how you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us.”. Sounds like Miss Kyle may have been spending a bit of time down at Wall St herself. This dialog is accompanied by shots of what appears to be the ransacking of a wealthy homestead. We also see the brutish Bane commit an act of terror while being joined by a chanting mob of prisoners. Are these antagonists to be driven by the usual comic book villain plans or will their motivations and goals resonate with what many people are feeling in today's climate? Add to that the singing of The Star Spangled Banner at the beginning and the talk of Jim Gordon (Gary Oldman) being a "War hero in peace time" and I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume that there will at least be a political undercurrent to the story, if not a major theme.

So if this is the case, how would that go down with fans? I know here on CBM it's pretty much a minefield whenever a political subject is broached. Many feel that movies should just be entertainment and not platforms for those wishing to express an opinion. Others welcome it, believing it gives a bit of weight to a story even if they don't necessarily agree with the ideas/opinions being put across. Do you guys agree with this assessment of the trailer? And if so what are your thoughts on it?




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Joker11
Joker11 - 12/19/2011, 3:02 PM
^^^ Exactly.
Dynamo
Dynamo - 12/19/2011, 3:13 PM
Definitely. But TDK also had some political undertones.
BabyGroot
BabyGroot - 12/19/2011, 3:18 PM
i agree with Dynamo. TDK has definitely had a politically charged plot but can't really say the same for TDKR.
Fuckyoutrolls
Fuckyoutrolls - 12/19/2011, 3:19 PM
I wonder that in the trailer when Bane is doing his "die after gotham burns to ashes" speech that he may actually be talking to Gordon rather than Bats. The trailer makes it look like its to bats but then again, they squeeze so much in and the audio might not match the visual. just a thought.
headlopper
headlopper - 12/19/2011, 3:21 PM
Hunh. Curious.

But Nolan's British; why would he care to influence U.S.politics?

Well, in any case we all know that rich people are superior to poor people... that's why their poor.

The almighty dollar FTW!
shadyginzo
shadyginzo - 12/19/2011, 3:22 PM
spot on Dynamo, TDK had it's own political themes, perhaps not this overtly but they were there and I think they also spoke a (very) little bit about the state of the world in 2008, joker referenced soldiers, political appethy/dissatisfaction was a theme, and of course the "cruel world" references throughout. I could go on but before I do I shall remind myself I am talking about a CBM.

So perhaps Nolan is attempting to take that further and make a film which reaches beyond it's genre a little and properly resonates?
HKFanatic
HKFanatic - 12/19/2011, 3:23 PM
I never really bought into Rha's motivation in the first movie - I mean, why single out Gotham out of every city in the whole world, unless he's just *that* perturbed by the city's crime rate. I think this movie is actually going to give a more relatable drive for the League of Assassins and Bane...it will definitely tap into current political turmoil, but no more so than TDKR. Remember that that film was all about the war on terror and surveillance, right around the time of the CIA wire-tapping scandal.
ISleepNow
ISleepNow - 12/19/2011, 3:23 PM
@MrEko
Burton's Batman seems pretty dated to me
Greengo
Greengo - 12/19/2011, 3:26 PM
I [frick]IN NEW THIS WAS COMING RORMACHINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 12/19/2011, 3:27 PM
TDK had political undertones (a lot of movies do nowadays), this trailer makes TDKR look like they will be overtones! I'm sure the movie won't be completely swanped in it, but I think this trailer is definitely putting that across.
QB7
QB7 - 12/19/2011, 3:30 PM
The trailer sucks!!! Reboot Batman and get the Justice League going. Batman Begins was good...The Dark Knight was amazing and TDKR looks unwatchable
Greengo
Greengo - 12/19/2011, 3:30 PM
Lmao!

GUESS WHO'S GONNA WIN?
headlopper
headlopper - 12/19/2011, 3:31 PM
Yeah well, Clint Eastwood for president!

AC1
AC1 - 12/19/2011, 3:32 PM
@headlopper actually Nolan's dual British/American, he spent half his childhood growing up in Chicago, and the other half in London. He now lives full time in America.
Moonwalker1991
Moonwalker1991 - 12/19/2011, 3:33 PM
I hate politics. But there's no need to worry. Nolan WILL deliver.
antman73
antman73 - 12/19/2011, 3:34 PM
Nolan always amaze me, a political twist could be interesting depending how he does it...
Given his previous movies I'd say could be a great movie.
I followed his footsteps since Memento and never let me down as a director.
For me he rocks


...anyway Avengers rules for me
headlopper
headlopper - 12/19/2011, 3:35 PM
@ACira- Fair enough...

Clint Eastwood for president!!!


Greengo
Greengo - 12/19/2011, 3:35 PM
The League of Shadows wanted to destroy Gotham in BB.

They tried economics, that didn't work.

Then they tried to gas everyone, that didn't work.

Now you're suggesting that The League of Shadows will possibly use class-warfare to divide the city and tear it apart.

Might work, were it not for The Dark Knight rising.
ManOfKrypton
ManOfKrypton - 12/19/2011, 3:35 PM
I trust Nolan in whatever he does :) The man can do no wrong in my books, he has delivered solid films again and again.... This is going to rock!
jcain3
jcain3 - 12/19/2011, 3:36 PM
Has it occurred to anyone that Ms. Kyle said this to Bruce Wayne the billionaire, and perhaps Bruce Wayne/Batman. Moreover, Wayne in these films does endeavor to give the impression that he is a flamboyant playboy who has lived very large indeed. When Kyle makes this comment, perhaps she is referring to the only thing she knows, which is Wayne publicy seems to be an obnoxious rich person. And, I'd like to add: if this were the case, it could mean that she ends up siding with Batman in the end because she discovers that while Bruce may be in the 99% by birth, he really is "more". If this were the case, it would certainly mirror Racheal's perception of Bruce, one from loathing to admiration. And it seems this film will mirror Batman Begins in some ways, so why not.
Ryden
Ryden - 12/19/2011, 3:38 PM
I think it's safe to assume now that the theme will be about mirrors. Bane mirrors the life of Bruce Wayne, it's parallel, the negative version if you will. There seems to be a lot of that going on in the movie.
jcain3
jcain3 - 12/19/2011, 3:38 PM
That first sentence is meant to say, "Has it occurred to anyone that Ms. Kyle said this to Bruce Wayne the billionaire, and not Bruce Wayne/Batman.
MovieMann
MovieMann - 12/19/2011, 3:39 PM
District 9 had political undertones.
Sanderman
Sanderman - 12/19/2011, 3:40 PM
I love how people r judging a movie from a 2 min trailer. Get real! Theres still 7 months til this movie is ready so hold your opinions until you..wait for it...actually SEE the movie!
headlopper
headlopper - 12/19/2011, 3:41 PM
@Mrecko- "...If anything TDKR is a continuation of ras al ghuls goals, in cleansing gotham of the rich and corrupt..."

I think you're right.
superotherside
superotherside - 12/19/2011, 3:43 PM
Perhaps Catwoman is working with Bane, to take out Gotham's rich (supposedly). But Bane starts destroying the whole city, and Catwoman turns to Batman's side.
Greengo
Greengo - 12/19/2011, 3:43 PM
I actually kinda like the political UNDERtones of the trailer : )

It may be a theme on some level but not an overriding one.

Despite OWS's slogan, they are the minority. Why would Nolan want to alienate the masses?

LAWLZY96
LAWLZY96 - 12/19/2011, 3:44 PM
@ JackRussoff
I've seen several comments of yours where you diss Nolan for using the same cast more than once. But great directors do this ALL THE TIME. Martin Scorsese has made eight films with Robert DeNiro, many of which are considered to be some of the greatest films of all time. George Lucas repeatedly cast Harrison Ford and the result was the original Star Wars trilogy and Indiana Jones. Tim Burton casts Johnny Depp and his wife every chance he gets. The Coen brothers often cast the same actors in multiple films. Its because the directors collaborate well with them. Why should that be a bad thing?
LAWLZY96
LAWLZY96 - 12/19/2011, 3:45 PM
P.S. Griff is never right.
BlindLemonShemp
BlindLemonShemp - 12/19/2011, 3:45 PM
lol @headlopper
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