EDITORIAL: Why Batman Begins is Better Than The Dark Knight

EDITORIAL: Why Batman Begins is Better Than The Dark Knight

Why I thought Batman Begins was better than The Dark Knight.

Editorial Opinion
By Ashes2Phoenix - Apr 20, 2012 07:04 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman

Before I start I would just like to say, I like both films but I think Batman Begins is the better movie here is why:

Caught off guard:

After that disaster known as Batman and Robin, my faith in any other Batman films had diminished. Batman Begins was released and I decided not to go to the cinema to see it. Months later it was released on DVD and it was my day off, so I decided to sit down and watch it. Four words: IT BLEW ME AWAY ! This film completely surprised me, I was speechless. I couldn't believe that someone had managed to make, such a great Batman film. From that point, I was fully on board with any other films that would be released involving this series.

The Origin Story:



Most people complain when it comes to an origin story but to be honest, the origins are always my favourite. A good origin tale always displays character development and growth. When you see a character grow before your eyes, I feel you become more emotionally invested. You care about the character's outcome. The first quarter of the film focuses on Bruce and his hunger to battle injustice. We see him as a child, watch his parents lives slip away and I feel that when most human beings watch a tragedy on this scale, we want our protagonist to claim his much deserved justice because we have become emotionally involved. Once he becomes Batman nothing is more satisfying when he goes after Falcone. Falcone asks "What are you?" to which Bruce responds "I'm Batman".

The Symbolism:



Whilst symbolism has been featured in both films, Batman Begins contained more than The Dark Knight. One of my favourite themes in Batman Begins, is the concept of fear and how it can cripple a man. When Bruce is training with the league of shadows and has to confront his fears, It literally brought a chill down my spine. We are all afraid of something and to see someone overcome their fears, is inspirational.

What I found even more compelling, was the fact that Batman, has to go head to head, with someone that uses the concept of fear as an advantage against his enemies. This of course was Scarecrow, played by the phenomenally talented and under-rated actor Cillian Murphy. The thing that intrigues me the most when these two collide is that they are very similar to each other. Batman uses fear, to psychologically take control of the situation, just as Scarecrow does.

The Batcave:



When going in to The Dark Knight, I was expecting to see a new version of the batcave. Unfortunately it was not featured in the film because Wayne Manor was still being constructed at the time. For me, the batcave is apart of the character and I could not help but feel disappointed. It brings that dark brooding atmosphere that is expected of Batman. In The Dark Knight, his equivalent of the batcave was practically an empty room and the worst part of it for me, was the fact, it was bright. It just felt a bit off in my opinion and made it feel less like a Batman film.

More Of A Batman Film:


The tone of Batman Begins is considerably different, to The Dark Knight. Even though The Dark Knight was darker in story, it wasn't visually in my opinion. Seeing Batman in Begins, scramble through the narrows really brought home the gritty feel of Batman. The narrows is a dark, brooding place and really fits in well, with the overall tone of the movie. I found it more visually, striking than the visuals in The Dark Knight.

Also the addition of Arkham Asylum immediately gives Begins the edge, in my opinion. The Asylum is a key location, in the majority of the Batman mythos, so it was great to see it. Instead of going for the gothic look, like the previous series, this Asylum was depicted as gritty, rotting and harrowing.

Ra's Al Ghul:



Ra's Al Ghul has been one of my favourite villains in the series so far. The reason for this is because he is the reflection of Batman. They both have the same goals, with one significant difference. Ra's, is willing to kill in the name of justice whilst Batman refuses to.

Now this is the interesting bit. Bruce would have most likely ended up the same as Ra's if he had not had Rachel to tell him the difference between revenge and justice. Ra's, wife was killed and in a way it almost appears that he seeks to revenge her death, by taking it out on society. Batman on the other hand, decides to go the opposite direction. Instead he seeks justice, whilst remaining in the boundaries of society. Rather than destroying society he decides to help it.

Both men have suffered tragedies in their life and both men want the same thing, just from different ends of the spectrum. The conflict between these two characters, was my favourite dynamic of the movie.

Conclusion: Both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are excellent films, there is no point trying to deny it. I do prefer Batman Begins over The Dark Knight because to me it feels like more of a Batman movie. The Dark Knight had some great moments in it but I preferred the overall pacing tone of Begins.

So now to ask you: Which film did you prefer ?
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EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 4/20/2012, 8:20 AM
I would like to say that in my opinion Batman is the most interesting and (in my opinion) only good character DC has. I'm in no way trying to bash DC, but I feel part of the reason Batman has had more success at the cinemas is because the characters and the stories are the most interesting.

Now, as far as which film I perfer between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight that is a close one. Batman Begins is more of a superhero film while The Dark Knight is more of a crime/drama film. For me, asking that question is like asking which one of my eyeballs is my favorite. It's impossible. Great write up.
BlueMex
BlueMex - 4/20/2012, 9:22 AM
I aswell have a tie between begins and TDK , i for one am not a fan of CBM's origin films sitting in the theater waiting untill they put the custome on...but in this case for begins i wasnt waiting for that i totally was into the film as he trained as bruce wayne and didnt care when he was going to put the suit on like wise Ironman 1.
Ashes2Phoenix
Ashes2Phoenix - 4/20/2012, 9:27 AM
@GhostRiderfan1: Which one of your eye balls is your favourite ? Mines, my left personally ! Lol. I agree it can be a difficult choice. I just preferred Batman Begins to The Dark Knight. I can watch it multiple times without boredom setting in.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 4/20/2012, 10:02 AM
@Ashes2Phoenix
This never happens, heh. I agree on all points. Except me being a sucker for Batman, gave it a chance in the theater. I convinced an extremely skeptical friend of mine to go see it with me again.

Batman Begins just offers so much more. Ra's is the best villain of the series by far, not just because of Liam Neeson, but as you said, he is a dark reflection of Batman - the cautionary tale of the misuse of that power and rage.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 4/20/2012, 10:21 AM
I totally agree that Begins was better, simply because TDK had some parts that felt unfinished, and just plain silly.

1. Joker crashes Wayne's party, throws Rachel out the window, Batman jumps out saves her, and they crash down onto a car with nothing slow their fall, both totally unscathed. In this realistic take, that should not have happened. And i mean really, how hard would it have been to show batman use his grapnel to latch onto the side of the building and slow their fall?

2. After that, the scene ends. However, Joker is still up in the penthouse at the party, all of his henchman are unconscious courtesy of a Bat-Knuckle Sammitch. Joker gets away, and this could have only happened one of two ways.

1) He walks out while the entire party of people stands there and watches. They could have easily stomped a mud-hole in has ass, but didn't. 2) Batman didn't even bother going back up to capture Joker. They were on the penthouse of a friggin' skyscraper, INSIDE Bruce's own building, yet he doesn't feel its necessary to go up and scoop up the Joker? We'll never know what happened because Nolan ended the scene without any kind of explanation. Don't get me wrong, I like Nolan a lot, but choosing to end the scene unresolved like that was pure amateur hour.

3. Cheesy lines, like when the police are arresting all those mob bosses, and as one of the officers is putting a guy in the back of a police car he says, "Have a nice trip, seeya next fall." Really? Horrible.

4. When Two-Face makes that car crash and walks away with no injuries whatsoever, yet the other guys in the car died.

My point is that Begins didn't have any of that stuff.

Don't get me wrong, I like them both, I just feel that Begins is better
SmellofDuty
SmellofDuty - 4/20/2012, 10:37 AM
I say TDK. Well, maybe not. Idk man I can't choose. Haha And I'm trying my absolute hardest to avoid the TDKR Spoiler, I just don't know if I can resist. Haha
headlopper
headlopper - 4/20/2012, 11:11 AM
Good editorial. Well argued.

I heard a number of people say the same.
You right- they do have a different tone.

I like them equally though because what one has ,the other doesn't, and vise versa.
TheMadman
TheMadman - 4/20/2012, 11:26 AM
I definitely think that begins is better - I fell asleep in TDK and I never fall asleep in a movie...
TheManWithBigEars
TheManWithBigEars - 4/20/2012, 11:43 AM
Completely agree with u, I like both films, but 'Begins' has the edge 4 me, just felt more like a Batman film, and personally speaking seemed more fun and tightly nit than 'The Dark Knight'

Im hoping they find that happy medium between the 2 4 'Rises,' big fan of Nolan's series, so would love 2 c him go out like a boss
Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 4/20/2012, 11:59 AM
TDK is by far suppiror to BB. It's funny that most people say that TDK is overated. Everyone says that BB is the greatest or one of the greatest cbm ever made and really that's not even close to the truth.
Alexandre
Alexandre - 4/20/2012, 12:37 PM
at least they were both made by the same dude so their really isn't a reason to ask which one was better.

the only difference between the two that i would say is the city. the city in bb seemed more created, more of a "traditional" gotham while the city in tdk was more real, it didnt feel like a fictional city like the first one did.

in that sense, tdk gotham can compete with marvel's city because they all take place in actual places not fictional cities like in dc comics.

either way, they're both really great films, the second one just portrayed the character in a more real environment than the first one did.

thats why i think Detroit would be the perfect place to shot a bat film. it has both elements to it, it feels like a fictional city and at the same time it feels like an actual city.
marvelguy
marvelguy - 4/20/2012, 1:19 PM
The penthouse party scene in TDK has always bothered me! The end battle with Joker is anticlimactic.
Wouldn't he rather have been a mark on Batman's conscience by freeing himself and falling to his death?
superbatspiderman
superbatspiderman - 4/20/2012, 2:24 PM
I would probably make this a tie for these movies because I love them way too much and I can't compare the two.
marvel72
marvel72 - 4/20/2012, 2:29 PM
both films are good the dark knight has its flaws as corndog pointed out.

batman begins had less throat cancer voice & the scarecrow but the dark knight had the better villain & two face.

i would score them both the same 3/5,good but that is all nothing more nothing less.
Denn1s
Denn1s - 4/20/2012, 4:14 PM
i agree with the article. batman begins was a batman film. tdk was a police drama with batman as a supporting character. both great films though...
Alexandre
Alexandre - 4/20/2012, 4:33 PM
i really dont understand how some ppl have problems with that penthouse scene when batman jumps out to save rachael.

what do you expect? for him to die? he's suppose to do impossible shit and get away wit it. you wanna know why? BECAUSE HE IS A FICTIONAL HERO!! you take that away from him then there is no film and no comics. is it really that hard to buy into that fiction?

when nolan said that his take was a more realistic take, he meant it by choosing a more realistic city to film in rather than a fictional city like in bb.

and also in the sense that batman has to use army technology rather than superpowers or a power suit. in the burton version we dont know where he gets his techs from. its just assumed that alfred and bruce makes it. realistic in the sense of techs and city not immortal and powerful.

why is it so [frick]ing hard to understand that for some people?? you guys must really be little kids who just like to make up excuses to continue this dumb war between marvel and batman. its funny, its not even dc vs marvel, its mostly just marvel vs batman.

if we're willing to bitch for that matter than here's my counter, how does tony stark survive all those hard falls inside his METAL HARD suit when the suit stops working. thats a lot of bumping and possible head concussions when he's inside that suit made of metal.

or when tony is doing the count off to test his suit and he just flies up and hits his head very hard. how does he survive that? then the scene just skips to another one of him continuing his work without even explaining how he survived it or if he even gained an injury.

pretty amateur as well huh?
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 4/20/2012, 8:30 PM
@Alexandre
You misunderstand. The criticism isn't even that they survived that plunge into the roof of the car. We're going to see a lot less realistic stunts in the Avengers.

The trouble is (and was detailed in CorndogBurglar's comment) that the scene ends there.

The Joker is up there in Bruce's penthouse. Unless he's going to rappel down the building or zip-line down to another adjacent highrise, the only exit is through the ground floor. No cops can catch him? Why don't the guests do anything, considering how incapacitated the Joker's goons are at that point? He's just free to walk on out.

Even assuming that there are multiple exits, and that perhaps the building that the Wayne penthouse is located in is connected to another - how would he get out of Bruce's penthouse in the first place?

Truthfully, I feel that this scene was incomplete, and that had Heath Ledger been alive, Nolan would have tried to patch it up a bit with some retakes. Maybe hijacking the helicopter.
Alexandre
Alexandre - 4/21/2012, 12:17 AM
maybe he was strapped with bombs like when he met the mob for the first time. maybe thats how he got out without having any troubles with the guest or anyone else. or maybe his shotgun he was holding was enough to get him out.

there is alot of maybes but what i wanna ask is, is that scene really that much of problem? does it really bug some of you guys?

i can say the same for that tony stark scene when hes counting off to see if the flying device works. it just totally skips without explaining what happened to him after.

but i dont because i dont care. but for some dumb reason some of you people do care but only seem to share that opinion with tdk. so i call it bullshit. haters just hating. they have absolutely no reason to say why it sucked. yeah you can say you didnt like it but use excuses that stand alone. not excuses that backfire that can be used also on marvel films. that is my point.
wedontdie
wedontdie - 4/21/2012, 8:43 AM
I feel the same way. I just started thinking about how Batman begins reminded me more of a Batman film than the Dark Knight did. Batman Begins was darker than the Dark Knight and its the only film that actually showed bats. I want a Batman film that reminds me of Arkham Asylum and Batman Begins is definitely that film.
sweetalchemies
sweetalchemies - 4/21/2012, 9:03 AM
@CornDogBurglar

Two Face walks away because 1. he put on a seat belt before the car flipped and 2. he's probably in so much physical pain from his face in the first place that a few bumps and scrapes from a car crash aren't likely to effect him that much. Think about it. Would the pain of having half of your face burned off even compare a car crash? Not having been in either of those situations I can't really say. But I do have a friend who suffered a third degree burn and almost lost her arm, and who this past Christmas was in a serious car accident where she got a concussion and had to be kept under for a couple of days. She said the burn was much much worse.

As for the penthouse scene, I always just assumed that the Joker used his gun to escape. For me, it added to the mystique that he could just vanish like that.

I'm not really sure which one I prefer anymore. I lean more towards TDK though, honestly.
Zuriel
Zuriel - 4/21/2012, 9:10 AM
I was so scared that after reading this article I would scroll down and see a bunch of hate. Instead I am relieved that so many of us are on the same page. Batman Begins WAS a better film for all the reasons laid out in this article. The Dark Knight had it's problems, but was saved by some outstanding performances by Ledger's Joker and even Eckhart's Two Face! Batman Begins, however, had to be perfect and I think the real key was in the editing. The Dark Knight starts at point A in a time line and pushes it's audience kicking and screaming towards point B with no time to relax or notice all it's plot holes. Begins was not a linear story like Knight. It took place when Bruce was a child, when he was an angsty college grad, when he was wondering the world finding himself, when he was training with the League of Shadows and then present day as he tries to piece together his bat-tech and identity. The way the movie jumped around to slowly feed you the story was brilliantly done. I have always loved that the movie starts with Bruce at rock bottom, in a Chinese prison, needing to be saved himself. It didn't have to start that way. BRILLIANT EDITING.
RyzRorschach99
RyzRorschach99 - 4/21/2012, 11:23 AM
i've always thought BB was better than TDK. it actually felt like you were in Gotham City and Batman looked and acted like batman. in TDK, although a darker story, there were too many daytime scenes and it looked like chicago, not Gotham. i hated the temporary underground hideout for Batman.Bruce. the cave and mansion are essencial to the Batman Lore. Dont get me wrong, i loved TDK. it was very complex and story-driven but it waasnt a full-on "Batman Film" if that makes sense.
PeterParker1991
PeterParker1991 - 4/21/2012, 7:23 PM
Nice article. Batman Begins is just as good as TDK. There's really no comparison because they're both excellent and could easily pass as stand alone films. Characters are established by the conclusion of BB, leading into TDK. I think I prefer BB over TDK, even though I love both films. I enjoy Batman Begins more than TDK. That much I will admit. TDK is just too damn long and it often depends on the mood I'm in, if I have almost three hours to spare. The story for Batman Begins is better. TDK was complex because so many new characters were introduced into the plot, in addition to established characters, including Bruce/Batman, Lucius Fox, Rachel D., etc. Batman Begins was mainly about fear and overcoming it. TDK dealt with chaos and the fall of Gotham. TDKR should be about Batman's rise from darkness and becoming the hero he was always meant to be.I also admire the choices of villains used in this trilogy, especially Scarecrow because I honestly never thought he was that interesting, or popular of a villain to be featured in film. Ra's al Ghul was another pleasant surprise. Though the Joker was portrayed in 1989's Batman, I prefer Heath Ledger, even though it's impossible to compare him to Nicholson. Eckhart's Two Face is way better than the cheesy one from Batman Forever. Can hardly wait to see what Mr. Nolan does with his version of Catwoman and Bane.
marcuskiner
marcuskiner - 4/21/2012, 7:58 PM
While this is all opinion, I think some of the reasons in this article come to personal taste (cityscape/villain). Everything else is just nit picking, but to each their own!
LoudNoises
LoudNoises - 4/21/2012, 8:09 PM
TDK redefined what a Batman movie is and what a comicbook movie is capable of if taken seriously. Prior to TDK we all thought we knew exactly what to expect from a comicbook movie. Not very complex, not overly emotional, pretty standard formula. Then Nolan says F that and gives us something completely unexpected. A 2 and a half hour crime epic set in a real world version of Gotham. I get so tired of people who refer to TDK as a "Crime Drama" as if it's a bad thing. That it wasn't focused enough on Batman to be considered a "Batman movie". The movie undoubtedly expands on the scope of characters, but what made this work so well is that it gives us a variety of perspectives on how best to deal with the escalated problems facing Gotham. Is Batman even necessary? The story explores the ethical implications of Batman and makes us question whether he is really helping or making things worse. As the story progresses and the chaos ensues, it becomes clear that extreme measures may have to be taken in order to save Gotham. This allows Batman to become something more than a hero. He can be whatever Gotham needs him to be. Even if that means destroying the symbol he worked so hard to create. It's answers the question the movie set out to explore. Is Batman necessary? Absolutely! Greatest Batman movie and greatest CBM to date!
95
95 - 4/21/2012, 9:30 PM
Batman Begins is the "better" film- it changed Hollywood adaptations for the better (mostly). But The Dark Knight is more fun to watch. Thanks in part to The Joker and IMAX.
Supes17
Supes17 - 4/21/2012, 10:12 PM
NICE article.
When I read the title I said:
"Here we go, another TDK hater to talk shit."
But no, you actually elaborated on your opinion with some good points. Bravo
Alexandre
Alexandre - 4/22/2012, 12:59 AM
i really think that we have to stop seeing this as individual films and start coming to terms as it being a trilogy. nolan so far as given us all something to like.

the first one without a doubt was more pure to the traditions of batman. it was finally the adaption we were all waiting for. and it started with not so famous villains and it kicked ass.

tdk just changed things. it really leveled up. it added new things and it was just more complex and extremely fresh. it broke some traditions but they were fresh and really great, at least to me they were. im open to change especially when its as good as this.

tdkr really seems like its going to have a mix of the two. keeping with the traditions(the cave, mansion,etc) and plus some new fresh things as well.

and it seems for all those people who have issues with batman surviving that fall or anything else because "this is a realistic film", well it finally seems like all those injuries Bruce as acquired from both films will finally have an impact on him. (the trailer shows him with a cane)

finally a hero in a film that has him in a extreme weak point. has that ever happened? i really think after this one, then all three must be viewed as a whole rather than single handed.
Alexandre
Alexandre - 4/22/2012, 9:37 AM
@tea
how can i even comment back after that. you've distracted me, you play dirty, i like your style.

but yeah i get what you mean though. it just to me, everything really seems like its all going to sort of come together with tdkr.
IgnurRant
IgnurRant - 4/22/2012, 10:22 AM
Personally i really like both. The best way to look at it IMO is one complete story about Bruce Wayne with each movie serving as a separate act.
IgnurRant
IgnurRant - 4/22/2012, 10:24 AM
Great articleBTW.

BB - Best Comicbook origin story
TDK - best cbm sequel rivaled only by Superman 2 The Richard Donner Cut
TDKR - possibly best cbm trilogy ever
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 4/23/2012, 8:58 AM
@ Alexandre

First of all, I never ONCE mentioned the Iron Man movie. Did you see me mention it being a perfect movie? Nope, you sure didn't. So go ahead and keep comparing the two movies all you want. The bottom line is that we are comparing Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. Not TDK with IM. So I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up. Again, I never once said Iron Man was perfect. I will say that its a little bit less of a realistic movie though, so it can get away with a few more things. But, that is just my opinion.

And again, I explained that it would have been very easy for Nolan to show Batman use his grappling hook during that fall, and it would have explained everything.

And also, like Tainted said, My main problem is with the scene ending. That could have really been the end of the movie right there. Why couldn't Batman go up and catch Joker...IN HIS OWN BUILDING? We'll never know. Also, the fact that you're stretching and saying "Maybe he had a bomb strapped to him" just lends more credibility to my argument. It didn't show that he had a bomb, so we're just to assume that he did? Again, thats amateur hour. I'm fairly certain that he would have threatened everyone in the room with the bomb while Batman was beating him and his goons in paste if he had one on him.

So just relax man, I understand you're passionate about TDK, but don't try to turn this into a Marvel Vs. DC thing, because with me, that certainly is not what this is.
Alexandre
Alexandre - 4/23/2012, 1:01 PM
dude i was trying to make a point that there can be alot of maybes but there will never be an answer and that honestly doesnt bother me. and that for a fact doesnt make me lower the film's value nor consider nolan an amateur. and why did you just choose my bomb theory to dig into? i also wrote about the shotgun. seems like you're just choosing what is easier to dig into to make some point when clearly there are more maybe theories.

look dude i dont want to sound arrogant but i really know a lot about films, im more nerd of films than comics and there are films that do just that and leaves the audience blank in certain scenes. and guess what? they are considered great masterpieces.

and why in your opinion is im considered a little bit less realistic when Favreau himself said his take on the film was realistic?

the last thing i want to make this about is a marvel vs dc thing. its just in this site thats what its always all about. if you dont know that by now then you must be new or something. and after a while, every comment made by naysayers all seem to be coming from ignorant marvel fanboys. yes i have heard ignorant dc fanboys say some very dumb things, its just marvel fanboys tend to be much louder.

now i dont want to try to change your mind. i understand that scene bothers you and because of that you considered it a amateur hour. but i do want to ask is why is it so hard to accept the mystery? why do you have to pick on it and let it bother you? is it really that much a of a big deal to you?



CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 4/23/2012, 1:18 PM
@ Alexandre

I didn't just pick the bomb thing because it was easier. He very well could have threatened them with his gun also. The difference is this. There were way more people in that room than him. They could have easily taken him down, with or without his gun. But I get it, they're rich yuppies who were probably scared. But that still does not explain why Bats did not go up in his own building, a building he knows every inch of, and take out Joker.

Is it a big deal to me? It kind of is, and I'll explain why. I feel like the movie should have ended right then and there. I feel like, with the scene that was set, Nolan should have shown how he escaped. In my mind, he was trapped like a rat, and they didn't even show Batman even TRY to go stop him. It just didn't sit right with me. Now, like I said, don't take that as meaning it ruined the movie for me, because again, it certainly did not. I love TDK, just not as much as Batman Begins, simply because BB did not have any scenes that did not sit well with me like that one.

As for the Marvel vs. DC thing, you're absolutely, that crap seems to take over almost every article. I'm not new, I've actually been very active on this site for over 3 years. There actually are not very many people who HAVE been here longer than me, so I can certainly agree with you on that. The thing is, I'm not that guy. I've always said that Marvel and DC both do great things, both do stupid things, both copy each other, and everything else in between. To totally reject one is only hurting the person that is doing the rejecting. They are only depriving themselves of the good stories that each company tells. Personally, I want both DC and Marvel to prosper indefinitely, and who wouldn't? We all love comics, and we all love movies. So why on earth would anyone want one of the biggest comic sellers in the industry fail? That would cripple the industry...but I'm getting carried away.

Bottom line is, I don't mean to sound confrontational, I like both the Batman movies, TDK just had those things that stuck out to me as "off". BB did not have anything like that. :)
Alexandre
Alexandre - 4/23/2012, 5:19 PM
alright, i get you. thanks for being cool and answering. respect man, respect. i agree with you on everything minus obviously that scene.

and i've said it before to, i want to see both films and i am routing for both. i once wasnt a believer in the avengers, i thought it was going to be bad but i was still routing for it. and now after a few conversation with like minded people like me, i've come to stop thinking that way. i truly do believe its going to be good. and i to get on crazy dc fanboys case when they start to talk shit about the avengers and start comparing it to transformers.

obviously being a batman fan first im routing more for bats. i would be just a little sad if the avengers does better but either way i want to see both and want them both to win.

i like the way you wrote in your last comment and get you much more and feel respect for you.

as a matter a fact, just for you.
:)
mainstream05
mainstream05 - 4/25/2012, 7:45 PM
I know some people like Batman Begins better, but I'm surprised how many people are convinced that it's a better overall film. I couldn't disagree more. I loved Batman Begins when it came out, but after watching TDK it was hard to go back and watch BB. BB has slow parts, like Bruce's training, and the action isn't as well shot. The acting also, IMO, isn't as strong as it is in TDK.

Some one above mentioned that the plot of TDK drags you kicking and screaming from point A to point B. Considering that it's not a character piece, and is over 2 and a half hours long, I would describe it much differently. The pace is brisk and quick. It hooks you and keeps you invested for the whole ride. Batman Begins doesn't do this as effectively until he becomes Batman, in my opinion. I think BB is a fantastic film and a great telling of the origin, but it's hard to overlook just how rushed his training is to get him to the point where he betrays Ducard and leaves the League of Shadows. TDK is much more streamlined.

IMO anyway.
DeadpoolRocks
DeadpoolRocks - 4/28/2012, 12:57 PM
I can't answer this they were both amazing movies. i have a question for you, which suit did you like better?
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