EDITORIAL: Why We Deserve An Adaptation Of The Dark Knight Returns

EDITORIAL: Why We Deserve An Adaptation Of The Dark Knight Returns

An editorial focused on the possibility and creative opportunities behind an adaptation of the graphic novel, The Dark Knight Returns

Editorial Opinion
By TheRedHood - Feb 28, 2011 11:02 PM EST
Filed Under: Batman

As has been stated countless times by Christopher Nolan, The Dark Knight Rises will stand as an end to his trilogy; and while many may be hesitant to acknowledge this – we will eventually be faced with a new adaptation of The Dark Knight.

Many are curious as to who will replace Nolan. Both Darren Aronofsky and Zack Snyder are being mentioned, but to me the true question comes down to story. I could care less about who directs the next film. Warner Bros. realizes how important the Batman franchise is to them and understand how financially successful it is to them, but the true question comes down to story. Year One and A Long Halloween have inspired the current Dark Knight trilogy, and I believe the next set of Bat-films should exist within the universe laid out in The Dark Knight Returns.

My primary thought behind this, is that in a way, Warner Bros. and Nolan could easily wrap up the current storyline (Batman is redeemed in the eyes of the public, defies all odds) but then could easily transition into a story set some time in the future, where Bruce is reflecting on those stories, and his triumphs and losses. With the emergence of a villain from his past, it could then lead into a 55 year old Batman leading a campaign against a villain like The Joker.

This would work, because in my view, you can address a history with characters like Robin; or even have Superman join the fray. Because while it exists within the “Nolan-verse” it would be distant enough from the current trilogy that they could do something like add in Robin without creating a lofty back story. Many of us know that Robin and Batman were sidekicks, and even the public audience knows that as a matter-of-fact. So why adapt those origin stories, when instead the studio could develop a story for the big screen that could easily adapt The Dark Knight Returns.

In this sense, the film would act as a reboot without a retelling of the origins. You would (hopefully) witness a battle hardened Bruce as he tries to accomplish much as Batman as he can for being 55. Battling much of the insanity that he brought into Gotham around the time of the Year One story that we’ll see played out in the Nolan-verse.

Now nothing about this would work, unless you captured the ferocity and intensity that Bale brings to the role. Much in the same way that Nolan won’t direct any Batman films after TDKR, it’s safe to assume that Bale would be difficult to bring back. By introducing an older batman, you can emulate those traits found in Bale’s performance without treading over his performance. In that sense, the actor would need to play “Christian Bale’s Batman”. For me, my number one pick would be Robert Patrick, just take a look at this comparison shot and tell me that you don’t see these two as people who could easily play the younger/older versions of each other:



I’ll close with this; there is much to support an adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns. It would serve as a continuation of the “Nolan-verse” while providing opportunities to expand on characters and story arcs without being bogged down in origins. Unlike the Star Wars prequels, an adaption of The Dark Knight Returns would provide insight into a valuable story and setting that would take interesting characters and reinvent them slightly under a new creative force.

Plus, if it’s anything like Red, it’ll be worth it just for seeing older people kick some ass and being the boss!
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marvel72
marvel72 - 3/1/2011, 5:51 AM
they should make this its the best batman story & probably the 2nd best graphic novel ever.

its the only batman story i want to see done with maybe hush.

but nothing else,i'm getting sick of the sight of batman.
patriautism
patriautism - 3/1/2011, 7:34 AM
Christian Bale for young Bruce, JAMES BROLIN for old Bruce..


selinakyle
selinakyle - 3/1/2011, 7:41 AM
Uhm...Hush is right up there. Hush 2...not so much...waste of time and resources.
thedudeabides
thedudeabides - 3/1/2011, 7:46 AM
Hahaha, I was sold on James Brolin until I watched The Goods a while back. I wouldn't mind seeing Stephen Lang as an older Bruce Wayne.
ComradeGrey
ComradeGrey - 3/1/2011, 7:49 AM
"Deserve?'
You presumptuous little...

Fanboys don't 'deserve' anything, except maybe a reaming about their sense of entitlement.
ComradeGrey
ComradeGrey - 3/1/2011, 7:51 AM
@Nunchux,
I'm going to pretend that's not a stupid question and answer that intellectual property rights do have dates of expiration and transference, and the Siegel Family Estate retains the rights to all of the Original Siegel Superman mythos by 2015, and gets to decide whether they will sell it back to WB.
RyKnow
RyKnow - 3/1/2011, 8:26 AM
@ nunchux and jokobama - You have been paying attention to current affairs and the ongoing legal dispute between WB/DC and the Siegel Estate haven't you? ComradeGray is exactly right with his post; intellectual property rights do expire and can be resold, to WB/DC, or anyone else they feel like selling them to. In addition, neither WB or DC created Superman.

If they did make an adaption of The Dark Knight Returns, I'd look forward to it like I'm looking forward to the potentially awful bland piece of cinema that is going to be Snyders Superman effort; with utter dread.
marvel72
marvel72 - 3/1/2011, 8:32 AM
the three best comic book/graphic novels stories ever told.

1.watchmen
2.the dark knight returns
3.uncanny x-men the dark phoenix saga
HarrisonBergeron
HarrisonBergeron - 3/1/2011, 8:39 AM
I think that TDK already borrowed pretty heavily from Dark Knight Returns, the Jokers death is the lynch pin of that story, and Two Face's death served the exact same purpose to Nolan's story. The only things we would need from Nolan's next movie is for a street gang to take over Gotham.

I was very surprised when I read TDKReturns, it really does not deserve all the admiration it gets. I'm not sure which is worse, Batman with guns or bullshit way Superman was written- probably Superman, but the guns were a travesty.
RyKnow
RyKnow - 3/1/2011, 8:45 AM
@ HarrisonBergeron - I definitely have to agree with your opinion of The Dark Knight Returns.
darthbobtarkas
darthbobtarkas - 3/1/2011, 8:45 AM
hey, you know what, i actually wrote HALF a script for this movie. and it turned out pretty well. the only problem in adapting tdkr i think are the mutants. they have to be played out to match modern sensibilities, otherwise this movie's good to go.
tehdude
tehdude - 3/1/2011, 8:47 AM
Yeah, i'm not to big on The Dark Knight Returns so... meh.
Darkknightman
Darkknightman - 3/1/2011, 8:50 AM
I agree that DKR would be a great movie but the problem is Superman. There is no way that WB would make this movie because that character makes things complicated. Superman is somewhat a villain in the story and having the climax be these two characters fight it out would be too far out of left field for mainstream audiences. The Superman movie rights are kind of a complicated thing right now as well. If I'm not mistaken, I believe WB has lost any movie rights as far as telling the origin of Superman or even any mention of Krypton. Who knows what other problems are going to arise with character rights. In a perfect world, this movie would get made. There will just be too much red tape involved.
KeithM
KeithM - 3/1/2011, 9:41 AM
"Deserve?"

What ComradeGrey said.

I'd love to see an adaptation of Dark Knight Returns, but there are a few problems with the way you've envisioned it.

In 1986 it was a new, innovative, more 'mature' take on the character, but after all these years, some of the elements have dated a bit, or have themselves become a bit cliche over the years - partly because of its own huge influence on other films and comics.

Superman could still be the guy supposed to bring the 'lost it' Batman under control (as he always promised he would and vice versa), although the characterisation in the book would need to be changed as Miller's version is too much of a puppet to be credible.

Also in the Nolanverse there is no Robin, and Bats therefore never has a 'sidekick', so your suggestion that we should just 'assume' he does at some point is a bit of a liberty and even disrespectful to Nolan's 'vision'.

Also remember that, for all his fans, a lot of people really, really HATE Robin, or think he's totally lame, or hate even the very idea that Bats would EVER take on a teenage sidekick at all and would not take it seriously if he was in it. The comics are stuck with him, but the movies can, thankfully, correct that error.

Inventing a 'Robin' just for a Dark Knight Returns however, as the first and one and only Robin, could work though, because as an old man, it might be somewhat logical that he needs help. But as established by Nolan, it just wouldn't wash that he'd have a 'teenage sidekick' at all until then, if at all.

Teenage sidekicks only really work as parody (as per Hit Girl) or for children, as they come from an era when comics were made SOLELY for kids. Now they're just outdated, cheesy and plain out of place in a 'serious' movie that hopes to attract grown-ups as well as children.


theguywhomayknow
theguywhomayknow - 3/1/2011, 9:58 AM
Stop crying about where the Batman movie franchise is going in the future. Some fanboys are like that annoying kid that gets everything for Christmas and still isn't satisfied!
KeithM
KeithM - 3/1/2011, 10:33 AM
@TheRedHood: I have no doubt a decent writer could make 'something' of Robin, but my point is mainly that Robin himself is lame and even the very idea of a 'teenage sidekick' at all. Batman is driven, obsessive, a little crazy, but not INSANE (arguably ;)). If he takes on a teenager as a partner and allows him/her to be put into danger then he needs locking up himself.

The origin is irrelevant, Batman should not - EVER - willingly put children - for that's exactly what Robin is - in danger. Superhero stories have moved on from the 50s - where crime-fighting is a bit of a lark and nobody ever really gets hurt. If Robin 'insists' on tagging along, then Bats needs to take him to the Arkham Juvie ward and have him locked up for his own good.

Look how he deals with the guys - grown men - who try to emulate him in TDK... Now imagine him coming across a kid in dayglo tights! Forget your fanboyism for a moment and put yourself in THAT Batman's shoes. Right. Not for a second.

As I said, when the guy's an old man, it could be done, but it would take an extreme balancing act not to make it seem just silly.

Robin is an anachronism belonging to another age. Let him stay there, and let us explore Batman without the cheesy baggage (at least for a while).

Edit: Please don't anyone use Under the Red Hood as an example of how Robin can be done 'for grown-ups' - the opening scene where Joker batters Jason multiple times with an iron crow bar establishes that the violence here is of the cartoon sort - in that it 'hurts' but doesn't maim or kill - i.e. it's childish. Sorry, I know a lot of you love that cartoon, but for 'grown-ups' it aint.
awwcripesagain
awwcripesagain - 3/1/2011, 10:43 AM
I'm going to say I like a lot of your thought processes. I like the casting choices. "Why we deserve"...REALLY? Seems a bit self-entitled! I've been reading this site for years and I've never had the urge to post until now. More and more of these type of comments keep popping up and it's pretty ridiculous! Here's a lesson kids, here's what you deserve...NADA, ZIP, ZERO! Here's what you OWE...to pay your money, watch and to help keep the CBM momentum going. CBMs are a lottery of odds, chances are they are going to miss the mark, and miss by a lot...often! Then again your dollars keep the cycle going so that hopefully someone, somewhere will get it right! We owe THAT to each other!
JayTopStix
JayTopStix - 3/1/2011, 11:40 AM
You have too little respect for Superman. This is great novel but that is it. They have no right to portray supes like this.
rolanddeschain
rolanddeschain - 3/1/2011, 12:16 PM
I'm only digging the idea of doing TDKR if it leads into the live version of Batman Beyond. My reason for that is you're making Bruce Wayne into an old man on the big screen, once that movie is over, then what? Another reboot to him as a young man?

It would make sense to see the passing of the costume to either Terry Mcguinness, or Nightwing, but since Nolan never established Dick Greyson, you'd have to release at least one movie before TDKR to re-introduce him before Bruce can pass on the title to him. Doing it with Terry wouldn't require much introduction, and you can basically just end the movie with the birth of BB, just don't have it set in Neo-Gotham, make it a closer version of the future
EditNinja
EditNinja - 3/1/2011, 3:42 PM
Animated or live-action, The Dark Knight Returns needs an adaptation - before it's too dated!
ironpool007
ironpool007 - 3/1/2011, 4:52 PM
Jumping from the current Batman movies right into The Dark Knight Returns would be a mistake if they did it in live action. There are many stories with the regular normal aged Batman that can be told and this would close off the possibilities of them being told. I would not be opposed to seeing a top notch animation take this on rendering the characters to look just like Frank Miller drew them and animate them with motion capture performances.Then they could go on The Dark Knight Strikes Back and Batman Beyond. But it should be separte franchise so that the current Batman can live on.
RyKnow
RyKnow - 3/2/2011, 2:10 AM
To the guys talking about Robin - Wasn't the sole reason of creating Robin just to give Batman someone to talk to when he's out & about, rather than Batman just thinking to himself all the time. That's what I recollect reading anyway. So, I'd exclude Robin from any Batman film; he's never served a purpose other than to give Batman speech bubbles rather than thought bubbles.
DRbatman
DRbatman - 3/2/2011, 10:29 AM
I think that that theres an awsome story to tell with old bruce wayne i was thinking a hybrid of TDKR with batman beond have a frank miller style old batman doe his thing then when he cant do it alone bring in terry.
the dark kight meets the 5th elament meets watchmen it be awsome harisen ford as old batman zack efron as young batman jack nicolsen as the joker
Redhood88
Redhood88 - 3/2/2011, 10:38 AM
Returns would be the perfect way to keep exploring Batman after Nolan retires from the series. There would have to be a couple of tweaks obviously but it would be a great transfer onto film.

Superman would have to stay. I can see why Supes' fans are wound up by his portrayal so in the interest of fairness I agree that they should tone down the puppet element to his character. He doesn't have to be the president's [female dog] like in the novel, maybe he takes it upon him self to stop Bats and that happens to be in the governments interests too.
mdx06
mdx06 - 3/2/2011, 7:20 PM
TDKR is the most over rated book of all time. I wish people would just stop with this garbage about making it into a movie.
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